To me, people complained about that trade and the Sprong trade... But the reality is JR is phenomenal about recognizing a good player and making a trade... He rarely loses...
- hipcheck_goalie

Who complained about the Pearson trade?

Also Ruth has lost plenty of trades. Let’s pump the breaks on that.

How deflating do you think this loss is on the Rangers?
- hipcheck_goalie

like the woman on black friday who got pepper sprayed and punched, and still didn't end up with the tv

Who complained about the Pearson trade?

Also Ruth has lost plenty of trades. Let’s pump the breaks on that.
- Victoro311

There were lots that thought losing Hags would hurt us, especially on the PK...
A lot thought that giving up on Sprong for another Dman wasn't a good choice either... After a month or so, it's proven to be a great trade.
As far as bad trades, they are not as common as the success ones... That's my opinion.

Perfect road trip.

Per NHL trade tracker, JR has completed 27 trades since becoming the GM. He's won the trade 13 times, lost three, and the rest are negligible. That's pretty dang good IMO.

Per Sullivan:

Sullivan: "I don't think it was our best effort, especially on this road trip. We just didn't seem to play with a lot of energy or intensity. We were opportunistic on some of the chances that we got." -SK

I felt the same way. The Pens played fairly sloppy IMO and gave up too many quality chances.

I don't expect the Pens dominate each time they win, but I still think Pens have some issues in terms of team-defense.

Per Sullivan:


I felt the same way. The Pens played fairly sloppy IMO and gave up too many quality chances.

I don't expect the Pens dominate each time they win, but I still think Pens have some issues in terms of team-defense.
- Rinosaur

Yeah... That wasn't the prettiest game for sure. One point out of the top spot in the metro.....Caps have two games in hand however.

That's the 6th time Lundqvist has been pulled in the last 13 games against the Penguins (including playoffs). That's got to sting Lundqvist's rather inflated ego.

There were lots that thought losing Hags would hurt us, especially on the PK...
A lot thought that giving up on Sprong for another Dman wasn't a good choice either... After a month or so, it's proven to be a great trade.
As far as bad trades, they are not as common as the success ones... That's my opinion.
- hipcheck_goalie

It was my sense that this board was basically unanimous on the Pearson trade being great. Must have missed the nay sayers.

Yeah... That wasn't the prettiest game for sure. One point out of the top spot in the metro.....Caps have two games in hand however.

That's the 6th time Lundqvist has been pulled in the last 13 games against the Penguins (including playoffs). That's got to sting Lundqvist's rather inflated ego.
- madmike71

This honestly reminds me of G6 vs Philly in '18 and G3 vs CLB in '17 (not saying the atmosphere was playoff-like at all - lundy couldn't stop a beach ball). Pens were overall pretty sloppy in all those games but a few strong individual efforts and boom, wins by big differentials despite overall 'poor all-round game'

Per NHL trade tracker, JR has completed 27 trades since becoming the GM. He's won the trade 13 times, lost three, and the rest are negligible. That's pretty dang good IMO.
- hipcheck_goalie

since i'm bored out of my mind...

2014: Neal for Hornqvist/Spaling GOOD
2014: Samuelsson for Klinkhammer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2015: Klinkhammer/1st for Perron BAD
2015: Goc for Lapierre ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2015: Sill/2nd/4th for Winnik BAD
2015: Lovejoy for Despres GOOD (I owe reverend an apology)
2015: Bortuzzo/7th for Cole GOOD
2015: Kapanen/Harrington/Spaling/1st/3rd for Kessel/Erixon/Biggs/2nd GOOD
2015: Sutter/3rd for Bonino/Clendening/2nd GOOD
2015: Scuderi for Daley GOOD

2016: Perron/Clendening for Hagelin GOOD
2016: 3rd for Schultz GOOD
2016: Marcatuoni for Melindy/Donoghue/Jeffrey ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2016: Plotnikov for Plachta/7th ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2016: Bennett for 3rd ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2016: Condon for 5th GOOD

2017: Kristo/2nd for Hainsey BAD
2017: Fehr/Oleksy/4th for Corrado GOOD (kiss my ass fehr)
2017: 4th for Streit GOOD
[I’ve ignored the 2nd given for expansion draft stuff]
2017: Sundqvist/1st for Reaves/2nd BAD
2017: Pouliot for Pedan/4th *frustration*
2017: Wilson/3rd for Sheahan/5th GOOD
2017: 4th for Oleksiak GOOD
2017: Archibald/Maguire/6th for Leighton/4th ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2018: Reaves/Gustavsson/Cole/1st/3rd/4th for Brassard/Dunn/Lindberg/3rd GOOD
2018: McKegg for Jooris ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018: Sheary/Hunwick for 4th BAD (but was done for cap space)
2018: Hagelin for Pearson GOOD
2018: Sprong for Petterson *deep introspection*

How deflating do you think this loss is on the Rangers?
- hipcheck_goalie

Not deflating at all to some (including me). Rangers have no business winning games.

Per Sullivan:


I felt the same way. The Pens played fairly sloppy IMO and gave up too many quality chances.

I don't expect the Pens dominate each time they win, but I still think Pens have some issues in terms of team-defense.
- Rinosaur

It’s because their transition game sucks. What used to be a strength is now a weakness that for some reason they embraced due to recency bias from the last cup.

since i'm bored out of my mind...

2014: Neal for Hornqvist/Spaling GOOD
2014: Samuelsson for Klinkhammer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2015: Klinkhammer/1st for Perron BAD
2015: Goc for Lapierre ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2015: Sill/2nd/4th for Winnik BAD
2015: Lovejoy for Despres GOOD (I owe reverend an apology)
2015: Bortuzzo/7th for Cole GOOD
2015: Kapanen/Harrington/Spaling/1st/3rd for Kessel/Erixon/Biggs/2nd GOOD
2015: Sutter/3rd for Bonino/Clendening/2nd GOOD
2015: Scuderi for Daley GOOD

2016: Perron/Clendening for Hagelin GOOD
2016: 3rd for Schultz GOOD
2016: Marcatuoni for Melindy/Donoghue/Jeffrey ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2016: Plotnikov for Plachta/7th ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2016: Bennett for 3rd ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2016: Condon for 5th GOOD

2017: Kristo/2nd for Hainsey BAD
2017: Fehr/Oleksy/4th for Corrado GOOD (kiss my ass fehr)
2017: 4th for Streit GOOD

- DeflatedPucks[I’ve ignored the 2nd given for expansion draft stuff]
2017: Sundqvist/1st for Reaves/2nd BAD
2017: Pouliot for Pedan/4th *frustration*
2017: Wilson/3rd for Sheahan/5th GOOD
2017: 4th for Oleksiak GOOD
2017: Archibald/Maguire/6th for Leighton/4th ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2018: Reaves/Gustavsson/Cole/1st/3rd/4th for Brassard/Dunn/Lindberg/3rd GOOD
2018: McKegg for Jooris ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018: Sheary/Hunwick for 4th BAD (but was done for cap space)
2018: Hagelin for Pearson GOOD
2018: Sprong for Petterson *deep introspection*

I think trading for Perron at the time was good.

I also though trading for depth C in Winnik was good too since they gave up basically nothing.

I mean... as awful as it was to watch Hainsey handle the puck like a live grenade... it worked out. So... was it bad in hindsight? While I thought he was terrible, and the Pens lucked their way to the cup, many around here would say you don’t win a cup on luck and Hainsey played his part.

I agree the Sheary trade was bad.

Not a fan of the DP trade. I’d rather have him on the 3rd pairing than JJ and Rikkolla.

Not a fan of the Sprong trade because obvious reasons.

since i'm bored out of my mind...

2014: Neal for Hornqvist/Spaling GOOD
2014: Samuelsson for Klinkhammer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2015: Klinkhammer/1st for Perron BAD
2015: Goc for Lapierre ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2015: Sill/2nd/4th for Winnik BAD
2015: Lovejoy for Despres GOOD (I owe reverend an apology)
2015: Bortuzzo/7th for Cole GOOD
2015: Kapanen/Harrington/Spaling/1st/3rd for Kessel/Erixon/Biggs/2nd GOOD
2015: Sutter/3rd for Bonino/Clendening/2nd GOOD
2015: Scuderi for Daley GOOD

2016: Perron/Clendening for Hagelin GOOD
2016: 3rd for Schultz GOOD
2016: Marcatuoni for Melindy/Donoghue/Jeffrey ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2016: Plotnikov for Plachta/7th ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2016: Bennett for 3rd ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2016: Condon for 5th GOOD

2017: Kristo/2nd for Hainsey BAD
2017: Fehr/Oleksy/4th for Corrado GOOD (kiss my ass fehr)
2017: 4th for Streit GOOD

- DeflatedPucks[I’ve ignored the 2nd given for expansion draft stuff]
2017: Sundqvist/1st for Reaves/2nd BAD
2017: Pouliot for Pedan/4th *frustration*
2017: Wilson/3rd for Sheahan/5th GOOD
2017: 4th for Oleksiak GOOD
2017: Archibald/Maguire/6th for Leighton/4th ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2018: Reaves/Gustavsson/Cole/1st/3rd/4th for Brassard/Dunn/Lindberg/3rd GOOD
2018: McKegg for Jooris ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018: Sheary/Hunwick for 4th BAD (but was done for cap space)
2018: Hagelin for Pearson GOOD
2018: Sprong for Petterson *deep introspection*

That takes some time!

Some of those prospects the Pens traded away many here were crying foul....did they ever pan out?

Harrington, DP, Despress, Bennett, Sundquist, Samuelsson?

https://twitter.com/pickl...tatus/1080806786159001600

It’s because their transition game sucks. What used to be a strength is now a weakness that for some reason they embraced due to recency bias from the last cup.
- j.boyd919

Agreed. I'm hoping Schultz helps with this when he gets back, but he won't be a cure-all. If they can find a way to add this year's Daley that would be great, but I just don't think they'll be adding any more dmen.

Saying some of those trades are bad is obviously subjective, but I think something you have to factor in is the coach at the time.

I believe some of those trades may look very different had the Pens had a better coach.

-Winnik was just not used right. He was still a fairly effective player when acquired, but I didn't like how he was used.

-Perron is a good hockey player and just didn't fit into the system at the time. I'd be curious to see what he would look like playing under Sullivan. Plus, I think the expectations were he'd come in and be a 35+ goal-scorer, so there were lofty expectations.

-Sheary/Hunwick wasn't a bad trade IMO. I'm a fan of Sheary, but I didn't mind the trade itself. What was bad is how they utilized the free cap space.

-Reaves trade was bad, but I also think they didn't use him right.

-Sprong was bad and good. It's bad because Sprong is clearly an offensive talent that the Pens squandered, but I think Pettersson has upgraded the Pens defense.

https://twitter.com/pickledotcom/status/1080806786159001600
- stowerkraut

Yeah that’s awesome haha

I think trading for Perron at the time was good.

I also though trading for depth C in Winnik was good too since they gave up basically nothing.

I mean... as awful as it was to watch Hainsey handle the puck like a live grenade... it worked out. So... was it bad in hindsight? While I thought he was terrible, and the Pens lucked their way to the cup, many around here would say you don’t win a cup on luck and Hainsey played his part.

I agree the Sheary trade was bad.

Not a fan of the DP trade. I’d rather have him on the 3rd pairing than JJ and Rikkolla.

Not a fan of the Sprong trade because obvious reasons.
- j.boyd919

I was on the fence about the Hainsey rental. He did (frank)ing score in the playoffs! And the going rate at the TDL usually ends up being a 1st or 2nd even for a depth dman.
But they won like u said, so I guess it's gud

Saying some of those trades are bad is obviously subjective, but I think something you have to factor in is the coach at the time.

I believe some of those trades may look very different had the Pens had a better coach.

-Winnik was just not used right. He was still a fairly effective player when acquired, but I didn't like how he was used.

-Perron is a good hockey player and just didn't fit into the system at the time. I'd be curious to see what he would look like playing under Sullivan. Plus, I think the expectations were he'd come in and be a 35+ goal-scorer, so there were lofty expectations.

-Sheary/Hunwick wasn't a bad trade IMO. I'm a fan of Sheary, but I didn't mind the trade itself. What was bad is how they utilized the free cap space.

-Reaves trade was bad, but I also think they didn't use him right.

-Sprong was bad and good. It's bad because Sprong is clearly an offensive talent that the Pens squandered, but I think Pettersson has upgraded the Pens defense.
- Rinosaur

I think the only truly bad trade was the Reaves trade. Overpayment for one year of Reaves. Plus the coach was clearly not "on-board".

Sprong for Pettersson is yet to be determined, but Pettersson looks pretty good so far and Sprong wasn't going to work for this coach.

DP had numerous chances. He sucked here. I'm glad he's carved out a niche in Vancouver, but he was not good in Pittsburgh.

I thought the Sheary trade was brilliant because we basically have the same player in Simon at less than a third of the price. Plus we moved another terrible contract in the deal. Yes, the problem was how he spent the savings. He freed up 5+ mil and spent the bulk of it on an awful player.

Look at their game scores.... Sheary with a 30 and Simon with an 85.

I got a chuckle out of some of these posts on the Sabres board as they were listing the reasons the Sabres are floundering now...

2) Sheary was brought here to score. He isn't doing it enough, plays too fast, loses the puck, then falls
6. Sheary - stop falling, find away to score.

I think the only truly bad trade was the Reaves trade. Overpayment for one year of Reaves. Plus the coach was clearly not "on-board".

Sprong for Pettersson is yet to be determined, but Pettersson looks pretty good so far and Sprong wasn't going to work for this coach.

DP had numerous chances. He sucked here. I'm glad he's carved out a niche in Vancouver, but he was not good in Pittsburgh.

I thought the Sheary trade was brilliant because we basically have the same player in Simon at less than a third of the price. Plus we moved another terrible contract in the deal. Yes, the problem was how he spent the savings. He freed up 5+ mil and spent the bulk of it on an awful player.

Look at their game scores.... Sheary with a 30 and Simon with an 85.

I got a chuckle out of some of these posts on the Sabres board as they were listing the reasons the Sabres are floundering now...

2) Sheary was brought here to score. He isn't doing it enough, plays too fast, loses the puck, then falls
6. Sheary - stop falling, find away to score.
- madmike71

I don’t know how he falls so god damn much. It’s insane. Hahahahaah

That takes some time!

Some of those prospects the Pens traded away many here were crying foul....did they ever pan out?

Harrington, DP, Despress, Bennett, Sundquist, Samuelsson?
- sammy87

Sundquist is decent. Would have helped us keep away from Cullen this year at the least.

Saying some of those trades are bad is obviously subjective, but I think something you have to factor in is the coach at the time.

-snip-

-Reaves trade was bad, but I also think they didn't use him right.
- Rinosaur

How should they have used him correctly?

Sundquist is decent. Would have helped us keep away from Cullen this year at the least.
- Guile

Yeah seems like he would have been a serviceable 4C.

How should they have used him correctly?
- jmatchett383

I don't think it's a "correct" issue. It's more of a Rowney and Kuhnhackl issue. Reaves can play some serviceable hockey, but nobody is going to be good with those guys on their line.