paulr
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Location: YYZ Joined: 06.26.2011
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Bracco apparently cannot even get a sniff in Toronto so I don't see what interest the Hawks would have in him.
Kahun, Kane, Sikura, ADb- too many small wingers. Need one all terrain forward to replace 1 or 2 of those guys and the
Internal answer is not Hayden. I'm looking for a Kris Kreider type with consistency. - RickJ
I was throwing Bracco's name against the wall to see if would stick, I really have no idea about him. Entwhistle may turn out to be that big winger you mentioned.
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Hawks_49
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Location: Ottawa, ON Joined: 04.28.2015
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The word in Toronto is they want a player with term, Keith could be a viable option if they decide to go that route and he waives his NMC. They also might be willing to move Nylander. Not sure Chicago would want him in return but maybe kadziri. Not sure I spelled it correctly but we could use some solid depth down the middle. - Taylorst1
They are not going to move Nylander unless Nylander asks them to do it. One of the promises made during the negotiations was that Dubas would not trade Nylander as long as he was GM of the Maple Leafs. He publicly stated as much in interviews broadcast on national television. If he were to immediately go back on his word and trade Nylander, it would do irreparable damage to any contract negotiations moving forward with any players they want to sign or keep in Toronto.
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scottak
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Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley! Joined: 08.06.2010
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The biggest problem I see for the Blackhawks as sellers at the trade deadline is what do we have to sell?
We really don’t have any typical trade deadline assets that would be coveted. - walleyeb1
Assuming you can't or don't want to move 88, 7, 19, 2 or 50, here are 3 forwards that have some value:
AA - big forward who goes to the front of the net, and can kill penalties. Can play center or wing. 49.89 CF% for the year, 49.04 HDCF%. Teams that are looking at making a run could use him to improve their 2nd or 3rd line.
Kunitz - Say what you will, he has a 54.34 CF% for the season, and a 51.72 HDCF%. While he does not help your offense, he's a responsible vet who has been through the SC playoff wars more that almost anyone in the league, with 4 (I think) rings to show for it. Solid addition to any team's 4th line, plus a vet presence in the room for a young team
Kruger - Many of the same notes as Kunitz. 4th line center/forward, willing to stand up to anyone, go to the net, kill penalties and take draws. 46.56 CF for the year doesn't look so good, but he's at 50.0% HDCF. Doesn't generate many chances, but doesn't allow many either. |
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They are not going to move Nylander unless Nylander asks them to do it. One of the promises made during the negotiations was that Dubas would not trade Nylander as long as he was GM of the Maple Leafs. He publicly stated as much in interviews broadcast on national television. If he were to immediately go back on his word and trade Nylander, it would do irreparable damage to any contract negotiations moving forward with any players they want to sign or keep in Toronto. - Hawks_49
Mehhhh they'll move him. If he was so confident that would be the case they'd have given a NMC.
They'll need to move someone this summer.
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Jere
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Joined: 11.13.2017
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I dunno about that. Toews still has some east-west to his game and consider this. When playing with Kane this year, Debrincat has 1 5v5 goal while he scored 5 while playing on Toews wing 5v5. I think #12 should keep playing on the #1 PP unit, but they shouldn't really go back to DeBrincat - Strome - Kane at this point, because it wasn't really that effective.
For those who like the more advanced stat picture of it.
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OK...um...what am I looking at? |
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OK...um...what am I looking at? - Jere
Its so obvious - Q's map to Binnys
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Jere
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Joined: 11.13.2017
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Its so obvious - Q's map to Binnys - glennjpawlak22
Too soon! Too soon! |
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breadbag
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Location: Edmonton, AB Joined: 11.30.2015
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OK...um...what am I looking at? - Jere
Essentially, this comes down to players who played some significant minutes with #12 and charts out shots for and shots against. Ideally, you want the combination of players to be up in the right hand top corner (good) which means they players generate a lot of shots for but don't give up many against. Bottom left corner is the opposite, where the players are giving up shots against vs getting shots. Dull is basically, not many shots for or against. Fun is lots of shots for and against, so usually a more run and gun style. |
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DarthKane
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Location: 5.13.4.9 Joined: 02.23.2012
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Garrison is already put on waivers - mjaxx2
Watch Edmonton claim him. |
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Watch Edmonton claim him. - DarthKane
Im sure it was part of the deal |
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Elbows15
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Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL Joined: 08.04.2013
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I can't believe Manning was traded. They got nothing for him but did clear some cap space.
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Elbows15
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Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL Joined: 08.04.2013
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Watch Edmonton claim him. - DarthKane
They can have him. That would just make the deal better. |
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jhawk59
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Joined: 02.15.2013
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Chiarello obtains depth if nothing else. He determined that the team could play well without Ciagulla. The dmen brought in are hopefully players he feels Hitchcock can insert effectively
Norell can play both sides, was NOT bad in the AHL but Bowman wanted to pare contracts and he has a glut coming in dmen You can surmise that an Edmomto scout saw Norell and promoted him to his GM as a possible steal.
Norell may develop late and be a fair third pair guy
That would be his upside. The trade really of course is about getting Manning and a different look minus Ciagulla.
Edmonton could use another dman
Apparently nobody fee look s thst Harrison is any good. He might be a nice fit but takes playing time from youngsters in Rockford
If he even lands there.
Late add: Norell was the player whom was thought to be a possible Hjalmarsson clone. |
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Elbows15
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Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL Joined: 08.04.2013
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I was throwing Bracco's name against the wall to see if would stick, I really have no idea about him. Entwhistle may turn out to be that big winger you mentioned. - paulr
Doubtful. He is another bottom line guy at the NHL level. |
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Elbows15
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Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL Joined: 08.04.2013
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Drake Caggiula is sorting out his U.S. visa. #Blackhawks are hoping it will be resolved by the end of the week. - walleyeb1
Meh. |
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DarthKane
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Location: 5.13.4.9 Joined: 02.23.2012
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Doubtful. He is another bottom line guy at the NHL level. - Elbows15
Even that’s a bit ambitious. He’s most likes a 4th line AHLer a time best. |
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Elbows15
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Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL Joined: 08.04.2013
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Bracco apparently cannot even get a sniff in Toronto so I don't see what interest the Hawks would have in him.
Kahun, Kane, Sikura, ADb- too many small wingers. Need one all terrain forward to replace 1 or 2 of those guys and the
Internal answer is not Hayden. I'm looking for a Kris Kreider type with consistency. - RickJ
Good luck there. They are few and far between. |
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jhawk59
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Joined: 02.15.2013
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Good luck there. They are few and far between. - Elbows15
They could draft a lot of big nasty wing power forwards
Bob Murray has a history of drafting a bevy of either dmen ot aggressive physical forwards. .He has been promoting some of those to the NHL. Hey we do not need ECHL players filling forward ranks in AHL. |
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breadbag
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Location: Edmonton, AB Joined: 11.30.2015
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Here are some Bowman comments on Caggiula, via NHL.com.
"We were one of the teams, I think it came down to Chicago and Edmonton," said Bowman. "We didn't get him then, but we've followed his progress over the last couple of years."
"We had talked quite a bit back when Drake was a free agent," Bowman said. "I remember spending a lot of time [at North Dakota]. We had Nick Schmaltz and Luke Johnson there at the same time, so I watched Drake play quite a bit."
"I love the way he plays," said Bowman, speaking on the Notre Dame campus ahead of Tuesday's Winter Classic game against Boston. "I think he's going to complement our team. He's another young forward that brings a lot of energy and he's got that combination. He plays pretty intense. He's a smaller guy, but you wouldn't know it with the way he plays. Obviously, he was a prolific scorer in college so he's got the ability to contribute offensively but he's versatile. He plays wing, he plays center, so when we had an opportunity to make the deal I thought we had to take advantage of it."
"For us, it made sense to kind of round out our forward group and give another option to Jeremy," said Bowman. "We're excited to get him here and see him on the ice soon." |
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Jere
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Joined: 11.13.2017
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Essentially, this comes down to players who played some significant minutes with #12 and charts out shots for and shots against. Ideally, you want the combination of players to be up in the right hand top corner (good) which means they players generate a lot of shots for but don't give up many against. Bottom left corner is the opposite, where the players are giving up shots against vs getting shots. Dull is basically, not many shots for or against. Fun is lots of shots for and against, so usually a more run and gun style. - breadbag
Ah, science.
Thanks for the explanation (I knew it really wasn't the map to Binny's). |
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TheTrob
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Location: Oak Park, IL Joined: 04.14.2010
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Chiarello obtains depth if nothing else. He determined that the team could play well without Ciagulla. The dmen brought in are hopefully players he feels Hitchcock can insert effectively
Norell can play both sides, was NOT bad in the AHL but Bowman wanted to pare contracts and he has a glut coming in dmen You can surmise that an Edmomto scout saw Norell and promoted him to his GM as a possible steal.
Norell may develop late and be a fair third pair guy
That would be his upside. The trade really of course is about getting Manning and a different look minus Ciagulla.
Edmonton could use another dman
Apparently nobody fee look s thst Harrison is any good. He might be a nice fit but takes playing time from youngsters in Rockford
If he even lands there.
Late add: Norell was the player whom was thought to be a possible Hjalmarsson clone. - jhawk59
Did you watch Norell play at all? He is a career AHL player at best, no loss there. Maybe he is a late bloomer, at which point he turns into a fringe NHL player. A Hjalmarsson clone was never a reality, he is smaller and never close to as good a skater.
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Assuming you can't or don't want to move 88, 7, 19, 2 or 50, here are 3 forwards that have some value:
AA - big forward who goes to the front of the net, and can kill penalties. Can play center or wing. 49.89 CF% for the year, 49.04 HDCF%. Teams that are looking at making a run could use him to improve their 2nd or 3rd line.
Kunitz - Say what you will, he has a 54.34 CF% for the season, and a 51.72 HDCF%. While he does not help your offense, he's a responsible vet who has been through the SC playoff wars more that almost anyone in the league, with 4 (I think) rings to show for it. Solid addition to any team's 4th line, plus a vet presence in the room for a young team
Kruger - Many of the same notes as Kunitz. 4th line center/forward, willing to stand up to anyone, go to the net, kill penalties and take draws. 46.56 CF for the year doesn't look so good, but he's at 50.0% HDCF. Doesn't generate many chances, but doesn't allow many either. - scottak
AA might bring a low level prospect but what are the other 2 worth? A 5th round pick, maybe? That is stretching the definition of “value”. Their best chance of getting any kind of talent is to draft high. No trade is going to bring that type of potential in return.
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GPHawksfan
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Location: AB Joined: 01.26.2018
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The word in Toronto is they want a player with term, Keith could be a viable option if they decide to go that route and he waives his NMC. They also might be willing to move Nylander. Not sure Chicago would want him in return but maybe kadziri. Not sure I spelled it correctly but we could use some solid depth down the middle. - Taylorst1
Bullpoop, save your stupid trade proposals they're all so one sided its laughable and shows how little you know about anything. |
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GPHawksfan
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Location: AB Joined: 01.26.2018
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Love the diagram I still think debrincant would be bettered suited playing with sikura and away from toews and Kane he then helps himself and balances out the scoring. - Taylorst1
Maybe learn how to spell his (frank)ing name before you decide where he should play. jesus your ideas are awful |
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Theo Fox
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Joined: 06.18.2016
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Did you watch Norell play at all? He is a career AHL player at best, no loss there. Maybe he is a late bloomer, at which point he turns into a fringe NHL player. A Hjalmarsson clone was never a reality, he is smaller and never close to as good a skater. - TheTrob
The closest to Hjalmarsson in the system is Carlsson. Defense first, some offense, decent size, skates well. He doesn't give up on plays and can play physical. |
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