Garrison has already been placed on waivers, so if he clears he's probably headed to Rockford.

Assuming Caggiula gets a shot in the lineup soon, who's roster spot he is taking? Sikura back to Rockford? Kunitz being bought out and released? Mysterious injury to someone resulting in being placed on IR?
- boilermaker100

Send Martinsen down?

I figure Kunitz will be traded at some point so he's just not ending his career in the press box. Like Manning, the Hawks will do Kunitz right and send him to a team that could actually use him.

For those of you who want Frolik back...maybe he becomes available?

Allan Walsh
@walsha
Many people in Calgary have been reaching out asking why Michael Frolik is a healthy scratch. Keeping one of the teams most efficient and versatile forwards in the stands marginalizes and devalues a great team player. Head coach’s attempt to run a good player out of town?

- breadbag

Ward & Kunitz for Frolik

That is the problem. We still lack a top 6 winger. It would be great if someone up and coming could fill that hole so that Stan doesn't have to pay UFA prices, but doesn't look like anyone is ready to step into that role. Maybe there will be another hockey trade that works out for us.

Lately, I was almost wishing they'd swap Toews and Kampf in the lineup. Let Saad-Kahun play with Kampf, because really Saad will get his chances with his speed anyway. Give Toews some time with DeBrincat (they'd clicked well at times) and Sikura. Or just swap Saad and DeBrincat in the lineup, and go back the line that was hot to start the year in DeBrincat - Toews - Kahun. It's hard to say change the lines right now, when the team is winning, but I think those could quickly become losses again if the goaltending falters or Kane slumps.
- breadbag

Kampf has showed some signs of skill but I don't see him as the answer to saad, saad is not a consistent player, he has spurts and maybe he needs a change of scenery.


Debrincant needs someone like Kane. Toews is more of a North south and cylce player not your east west guy .


I kinda want the hawks to start losing again because at least then they put themselves in the best possible place to pick in the top 3 .

That's what they really need is high solid drafts picks who actually become superstar type players.

That is the problem. We still lack a top 6 winger. It would be great if someone up and coming could fill that hole so that Stan doesn't have to pay UFA prices, but doesn't look like anyone is ready to step into that role. Maybe there will be another hockey trade that works out for us.

Lately, I was almost wishing they'd swap Toews and Kampf in the lineup. Let Saad-Kahun play with Kampf, because really Saad will get his chances with his speed anyway. Give Toews some time with DeBrincat (they'd clicked well at times) and Sikura. Or just swap Saad and DeBrincat in the lineup, and go back the line that was hot to start the year in DeBrincat - Toews - Kahun. It's hard to say change the lines right now, when the team is winning, but I think those could quickly become losses again if the goaltending falters or Kane slumps.
- breadbag

I like that idea of reuniting DeBrincat with Toews and Kahun like they started the year, then have Saad play with Kampf and Sikura. Agree, Saad and Toews are able to generate offense without the other so makes sense that it wouldn't hurt to split them up.

Toronto and Winnipeg are Cup contenders this year; I want Stan to rape either or both of them for a similar or higher price than what he paid Arizona and Philly when he was going for it.

If they decide to move Duncan Keith I want players like Jack Roslovic or Rasmus Sandin or Timothy Lilgegren plus #1 picks back in return. I want to dump Rutta for a #2 or 3 round pick to Montreal or Boston.

(My wife says its Ok for a guy to dream).
- RickJ

Good luck with any of that

Maybe a dzingel or maybe a solid free agent pick up or a trade for some young depth cheap on contract.


But I was pointing out if Stan is able to move out either Keith or Seabrook that would give him that extra money to pursue 2 top 6 players.
- Taylorst1

I see. Thanks for the clarification.

However, even if Keith or Seabrook are moved out, that would leave a big hole on the defense. UFAs this summer aren't that attractive beyond someone like Stralman who could be had at an affordable AAV for 1-2 years. Of course there's Karlsson but he's going to cost a ton which would eat into the money needed to upgrade at top 6 whether 1 or 2 forwards.

So maybe 2 high end forwards or 1 high end forward + 1 high end D-man. Still lofty either way but worth pursuing to be competitive on the market so the team can be more competitive on the ice.

Seabrook contract is a complete albatross on this teams ability to get younger and competitive again . If moving out either 1 of thosem2 players mentioned for prospects or picks I'm okay with that, Perlini hasn't shown any proof of warranting a contract next year and Kahuan is at best a solid 3rd line player.

So realistically we gain more by ridding this team of a horrible contract on a declining player.

Your not tonight be able to move Seabrook by himself and we don't need another useless forward named gagner.
- Taylorst1

Taylor, you are right. The Seabrook contract is bad, though the Hawks are not in cap hell or cash strapped even with it. That being said, somehow getting rid of it gives you even more flexibility.

My point is, if Perlini "shows no proof of warranting a contract", and Kahun is "at best a 3rd line player" what makes you think ANY GM is going to take either or both of them AND Seabrooks contract and term.

It would take a miracle for Stan to get rid of Seabrook and not give up anything of extreme value like a high first round pick and/or a solid prospect like Boqvist or the like, at which point its just not worth it. May as well hold out and hope the next CBA has buyouts.

Seabrook contract is a complete albatross on this teams ability to get younger and competitive again . If moving out either 1 of thosem2 players mentioned for prospects or picks I'm okay with that, Perlini hasn't shown any proof of warranting a contract next year and Kahuan is at best a solid 3rd line player.

So realistically we gain more by ridding this team of a horrible contract on a declining player.

Your not tonight be able to move Seabrook by himself and we don't need another useless forward named gagner.
- Taylorst1

Spot on - moving Seabs is a priority- will not yield a return & will demand Trading creativity

Good luck with any of that
- GPHawksfan

The word in Toronto is they want a player with term, Keith could be a viable option if they decide to go that route and he waives his NMC. They also might be willing to move Nylander. Not sure Chicago would want him in return but maybe kadziri. Not sure I spelled it correctly but we could use some solid depth down the middle.

Drake Caggiula is sorting out his U.S. visa. #Blackhawks⁠ ⁠ are hoping it will be resolved by the end of the week.

Taylor, you are right. The Seabrook contract is bad, though the Hawks are not in cap hell or cash strapped even with it. That being said, somehow getting rid of it gives you even more flexibility.

My point is, if Perlini "shows no proof of warranting a contract", and Kahun is "at best a 3rd line player" what makes you think ANY GM is going to take either or both of them AND Seabrooks contract and term.

It would take a miracle for Stan to get rid of Seabrook and not give up anything of extreme value like a high first round pick and/or a solid prospect like Boqvist or the like, at which point its just not worth it. May as well hold out and hope the next CBA has buyouts.
- TheTrob

I hear what your saying but it's going to take Stan getting creative . And Seabrook would be perfect for a young team with cap space looking for leadership any team that is contending won't happen due to their cap and unwillingness to pony up.

Maybe another team sees value in Perlini like Chicago did and thinks a change of scenery would benefit him.

Spot on - moving Seabs is a priority- will not yield a return & will demand Trading creativity
- Colbyboy

A return is not the goal to move Seabrook. The goal is to move him without it costing you too much in other picks/prospects.

It cost you TT to move one year of Bickell at a much lower cap hit. The cost to move Seabs and 5@$6.875 may just be too high.

The word in Toronto is they want a player with term, Keith could be a viable option if they decide to go that route and he waives his NMC. They also might be willing to move Nylander. Not sure Chicago would want him in return but maybe kadziri. Not sure I spelled it correctly but we could use some solid depth down the middle.
- Taylorst1

If the Hawks trade with the Leafs I'd prefer they get back young prospects, Liljegren, Sand in maybe Bracco. Kadri is inconsistent and a bottom 6 forward, Nylander is a skilled player who likes to play the perimeter and who may now be overpaid.

I see. Thanks for the clarification.

However, even if Keith or Seabrook are moved out, that would leave a big hole on the defense. UFAs this summer aren't that attractive beyond someone like Stralman who could be had at an affordable AAV for 1-2 years. Of course there's Karlsson but he's going to cost a ton which would eat into the money needed to upgrade at top 6 whether 1 or 2 forwards.

So maybe 2 high end forwards or 1 high end forward + 1 high end D-man. Still lofty either way but worth pursuing to be competitive on the market so the team can be more competitive on the ice.
- AEL_Fox

I agree , but if Chicago could get at least 3 solid scoring lines and a decent 4th line that's a huge improvement and moral booster, we have some good things going with Dahl, forsling, Johki, murphy, and Gustafson, moving Keith and or Seabrook I don't see as a big loss in terms of the backend maybe leadership , but with boquisvt or Beaudin I think a younger more skilled back end would benefit the forwards in their transition and power play. Especially if we can role 3 solid scoring lines.

It's the history revision working overtime. Many lay winning at Stans feet, giving him credit for the couple good deals that went well, but then somehow absolving him of responsibility when deals go bad. It's ridiculous to see the arguments. The fact is Bowman has made some good moves (and YES, this one looks like an example of that), but he's also made some horrible moves, many more than good since around 2015.

That said, I think the move for Strome is on balance looking like a move that at least is not a "loss" and I'd give the edge to stan because how it helps the Hawks down the middle. This move, while it may not draw any way was a good one if for no other reason than he dumped salary and actually picked up a 24 year old energy winger. Drake is probably a lottery ticket, but the Hawks gave up literally nothing.

So while Stan had a terrible run of some mind boggling insane trades, it does appear he's make clearer-headed moves these days. So WHILE I am still not a believer in this GM, how he has managed this crappy season so far has been solid, under the radar work, nothing reactionary or stupid.
- kwolf68

Nobody absolves SB for any bad moves. What most are saying is that without Q, he does not go after those players. Want proof?

1. SB said so directly.
2. First chance to get them off the ice and out of the organization...that happened too.
3. What we can never know, but likely also a contributor to Q leaving is all the players that did NOT want to come here to play any longer. Which is why you ended up with Manning and kunitz.

If you think I am wrong, then all then the owners and brass above both Q and SB are idiots too.

If anyone believes that the higher ups (those truly in the know) believed it was SB's fault for not getting Q the right players, he would have been gone before Q. The fact is/was there is/was clearly a difference in philosophy regarding the future of the organization and the style of play that will lead to winning again. Q's style is now an exhibit at the museum of natural history.

This is an examination of facts. It places no blame on anyone nor absolves anyone from responsibility.

Not long ago SB was quoted somewhere talking about the lessons he learned over the years and likely why hammer was dealt, is that when you allow yourself to be put in a position with no leverage, you get nothing. Business 101.

Kampf has showed some signs of skill but I don't see him as the answer to saad, saad is not a consistent player, he has spurts and maybe he needs a change of scenery.


Debrincant needs someone like Kane. Toews is more of a North south and cylce player not your east west guy .


I kinda want the hawks to start losing again because at least then they put themselves in the best possible place to pick in the top 3 .

That's what they really need is high solid drafts picks who actually become superstar type players.
- Taylorst1

I dunno about that. Toews still has some east-west to his game and consider this. When playing with Kane this year, Debrincat has 1 5v5 goal while he scored 5 while playing on Toews wing 5v5. I think #12 should keep playing on the #1 PP unit, but they shouldn't really go back to DeBrincat - Strome - Kane at this point, because it wasn't really that effective.

For those who like the more advanced stat picture of it.

I hear what your saying but it's going to take Stan getting creative . And Seabrook would be perfect for a young team with cap space looking for leadership any team that is contending won't happen due to their cap and unwillingness to pony up.

Maybe another team sees value in Perlini like Chicago did and thinks a change of scenery would benefit him.
- Taylorst1

Yes, Stan is going to have to be real creative (whatever that means), or find a really dumb trading partner. Biggest problem with the whole scenario......Seabrook has a full NMC, if he doesn't want to go he can nix the whole thing.

Nobody absolves SB for any bad moves. What most are saying is that without Q, he does not go after those players. Want proof?

1. SB said so directly.
2. First chance to get them off the ice and out of the organization...that happened too.
3. What we can never know, but likely also a contributor to Q leaving is all the players that did NOT want to come here to play any longer. Which is why you ended up with Manning and kunitz.

If you think I am wrong, then all then the owners and brass above both Q and SB are idiots too.

If anyone believes that the higher ups (those truly in the know) believed it was SB's fault for not getting Q the right players, he would have been gone before Q. The fact is/was there is/was clearly a difference in philosophy regarding the future of the organization and the style of play that will lead to winning again. Q's style is now an exhibit at the museum of natural history.

This is an examination of facts. It places no blame on anyone nor absolves anyone from responsibility.

Not long ago SB was quoted somewhere talking about the lessons he learned over the years and likely why hammer was dealt, is that when you allow yourself to be put in a position with no leverage, you get nothing. Business 101.
- TrueGrit

Let me clarify, It was not so much Q's style, but his personnel preferences which led to the exhibit.

Since the trade yesterday, been thinking about who would be a good comparable to Caggiula in terms of what to expect. I think the closest comparable might be a bit more physical version of Hinostroza. I don't think he has quite as much north south speed (He is pretty quick however), but I think he definitely has a bit more grit.
- breadbag

Caggiula could be compared to the guy just mentioned on here actually... Frolik.

Plays hard and has a little grit for digging pucks out. Has a high hockey IQ and some speed to burn. Could be a nice role player with a little offensive pop in the bottom 6.

Nobody absolves SB for any bad moves. What most are saying is that without Q, he does not go after those players. Want proof?

1. SB said so directly.
2. First chance to get them off the ice and out of the organization...that happened too.
3. What we can never know, but likely also a contributor to Q leaving is all the players that did NOT want to come here to play any longer. Which is why you ended up with Manning and kunitz.

If you think I am wrong, then all then the owners and brass above both Q and SB are idiots too.

If anyone believes that the higher ups (those truly in the know) believed it was SB's fault for not getting Q the right players, he would have been gone before Q. The fact is/was there is/was clearly a difference in philosophy regarding the future of the organization and the style of play that will lead to winning again. Q's style is now an exhibit at the museum of natural history.

This is an examination of facts. It places no blame on anyone nor absolves anyone from responsibility.

Not long ago SB was quoted somewhere talking about the lessons he learned over the years and likely why hammer was dealt, is that when you allow yourself to be put in a position with no leverage, you get nothing. Business 101.
- TrueGrit

We hear your point, however Stan can not be excused for his contracts he personally gave out to players , like Seabrook , Bickell, Panick, etc and his horrible trades especially movingmpanarin who was a superstar for saad who was a average player in comparison. The whole cap reason or excuse doesn't fly when Stan would have hadm2 years to retool this team and it's cap to then resign panarin with more cap space .


Bickell never was a top 6 guy but because in his contact year he had a great playoff run Stan overpaid him.

If the GM isn't taking control of his team and allowing a coach to dictate personnel management then the GM in my opinion is weak and guilty of allowing this charade to continue and not showing any true leadership qualities.

If the Hawks trade with the Leafs I'd prefer they get back young prospects, Liljegren, Sand in maybe Bracco. Kadri is inconsistent and a bottom 6 forward, Nylander is a skilled player who likes to play the perimeter and who may now be overpaid.
- paulr

Bracco apparently cannot even get a sniff in Toronto so I don't see what interest the Hawks would have in him.

Kahun, Kane, Sikura, ADb- too many small wingers. Need one all terrain forward to replace 1 or 2 of those guys and the
Internal answer is not Hayden. I'm looking for a Kris Kreider type with consistency.

Caggiula could be compared to the guy just mentioned on here actually... Frolik.

Plays hard and has a little grit for digging pucks out. Has a high hockey IQ and some speed to burn. Could be a nice role player with a little offensive pop in the bottom 6.
- Justin Lowe

That is a good comparison. I think he is a good pickup for 1.5 AAV. He is now the 6th highest paid forward on the team, which is saying something.

I dunno about that. Toews still has some east-west to his game and consider this. When playing with Kane this year, Debrincat has 1 5v5 goal while he scored 5 while playing on Toews wing 5v5. I think #12 should keep playing on the #1 PP unit, but they shouldn't really go back to DeBrincat - Strome - Kane at this point, because it wasn't really that effective.

For those who like the more advanced stat picture of it.


- breadbag

Love the diagram I still think debrincant would be bettered suited playing with sikura and away from toews and Kane he then helps himself and balances out the scoring.

I agree , but if Chicago could get at least 3 solid scoring lines and a decent 4th line that's a huge improvement and moral booster, we have some good things going with Dahl, forsling, Johki, murphy, and Gustafson, moving Keith and or Seabrook I don't see as a big loss in terms of the backend maybe leadership , but with boquisvt or Beaudin I think a younger more skilled back end would benefit the forwards in their transition and power play. Especially if we can role 3 solid scoring lines.
- Taylorst1

Say one of Keith or Seabrook is traded, then it wouldn't be the worst thing to have one of them plus a short-term reliable, experienced UFA defender like Stralman provide the veteran presence to go along with Murphy, Dahlstrom, Gustafsson, Jokiharju, and Forsling.

This would let Boqvist, Beaudin, and Mitchell continue to develop at a good pace. Next in line to be promoted would most likely be Carlsson and Hillman with either cups of coffee this year but more realistically next season.

Love the diagram I still think debrincant would be bettered suited playing with sikura and away from toews and Kane he then helps himself and balances out the scoring.
- Taylorst1

The diagram is from https://hockeyviz.com/. They have some of the most unique and interesting diagrams I've seen.