b/c peter chiarelli is not a competent gm.
- DeflatedPucks

Hard to argue that lol

However, he doesn’t make moves for the sake of making moves. He just makes terrible moves.

So does he actually WANT to move Nurse or RNH? That remains to be seen.

Mcdoucebag is good but he’s a one man army. Not Sid or Geno or JT. If Mcdonald ever wins a cup it will either be all by himself or as a complimentary piece late in his career. Too fast and spastic without the brains and hockey iq to elevate others. He’s good though for that type of player.
- Grinder47

LOL this is (frank)ing hysterical. No brains or hockey IQ? Hahaahahahahaha

LOL this is (frank)ing hysterical. No brains or hockey IQ? Hahaahahahahaha
- j.boyd919

Well technically he could be a robot maybe that's what he meant lol

Neat... seems I caused a smidge of a poop storm kinda wanting Lucic. But don't forget... its not Lucic I want... its Jack Johson I want rid of

Neat... seems I caused a smidge of a poop storm kinda wanting Lucic. But don't forget... its not Lucic I want... its Jack Johson I want rid of
- Guile

So you want to replace JJ with someone who’s equally as bad with an even worse contract?

So you want to replace JJ with someone who’s equally as bad with an even worse contract?
- Rinosaur

Well, I do not believe Lucic is as bad. Johnson is already on our team... and is topping out as a bottom pairing Dman (and Sully is generous to let him play there). Lucic possibly could be a mid 6 winger here.

Well, I do not believe Lucic is as bad. Johnson is already on our team... and is topping out as a bottom pairing Dman. Lucic possibly could be a mid 6 winger here.
- Guile

Lucic is slow, poor defensively, losing his offensive ability every year and is pretty much just a big body. I'd say he's equally as bad as JJ.

Lucic is not a good as Kessel, Jake, Rust, Horn, Simon or Pearson. There's no way he bumps any of those guys down a line to make room for him.

Lucic also has one more year on his contract than JJ, so that alone makes his contract worse. You want to bring a guy on who's drastically getting worse each season at a $4M+ cap hit for one more year than JJ's contract?

Sorry man, I have to strongly disagree with you here. I also want JJ off this team ASAP, but I don't want the Pens digging themselves into an even worse hole.

This also goes on to my point that if the Pens make a move for a forward, it should be for someone who's good enough to bump one of the Pens current top-nine down a line.

Mcdoucebag is good but he’s a one man army. Not Sid or Geno or JT. If Mcdonald ever wins a cup it will either be all by himself or as a complimentary piece late in his career. Too fast and spastic without the brains and hockey iq to elevate others. He’s good though for that type of player.
- Grinder47

Come on Grinder, you're better than this.

Impossible to be that fast and skilled without brains and hockey IQ. He's thinking and processing the game at the highest level.

Come on Grinder, you're better than this.
- MattStrat

He is?

I don't think the Pens will add any dmen unfortunately. It would be too much of a retool to do mid-season IMO. I could however see Oleksiak shipped out for the right deal.

Dumo, Maatta, Letang and Schultz are legit top-four dmen. Everyone else is pretty much around the same level offering strengths in different areas.

Right now, and I could be wrong stats-wise, but I think Pettersson and Riikola are currently playing better defensively than both JJ and JO.

If we're being realistic, the chances of moving Brass are probably not that likely. I think the Pens best chances are to get one of the higher-end rentals in Nyquist, Zucc or even Marcus Johansson if his health improves and knowing Shero's penchant for dmen, maybe a JO/MJ swap could be something.

I don't think the Pens will add any dmen unfortunately. It would be too much of a retool to do mid-season IMO. I could however see Oleksiak shipped out for the right deal.

Dumo, Maatta, Letang and Schultz are legit top-four dmen. Everyone else is pretty much around the same level offering strengths in different areas.

Right now, and I could be wrong stats-wise, but I think Pettersson and Riikola are currently playing better defensively than both JJ and JO.

If we're being realistic, the chances of moving Brass are probably not that likely. I think the Pens best chances are to get one of the higher-end rentals in Nyquist, Zucc or even Marcus Johansson if his health improves and knowing Shero's penchant for dmen, maybe a JO/MJ swap could be something.
- Rinosaur

Based on the fancy stats... Riikola and JJ are our worst (also Ruhwedle, but that is all we expect from him anyway). Oleksiak having the highest of those 6 was shocking... but I don't think he is bad by any means here.

Also... poor poor Petterson... look at his quality teammate stat. bottom 5th percentile in the NHL


So off of this... I'd (shocker I know) once again try to move Jack suckass Johnson out.



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https://i.imgur.com/6sMmrTR.png



https://i.imgur.com/GJDrcOC.png

Come on Grinder, you're better than this.

Impossible to be that fast and skilled without brains and hockey IQ. He's thinking and processing the game at the highest level.
- MattStrat

I don't think the Pens will add any dmen unfortunately. It would be too much of a retool to do mid-season IMO. I could however see Oleksiak shipped out for the right deal.

Dumo, Maatta, Letang and Schultz are legit top-four dmen. Everyone else is pretty much around the same level offering strengths in different areas.

Right now, and I could be wrong stats-wise, but I think Pettersson and Riikola are currently playing better defensively than both JJ and JO.

If we're being realistic, the chances of moving Brass are probably not that likely. I think the Pens best chances are to get one of the higher-end rentals in Nyquist, Zucc or even Marcus Johansson if his health improves and knowing Shero's penchant for dmen, maybe a JO/MJ swap could be something.
- Rinosaur

I actually think moving Brass is pretty likely, but I do agree we probably won't be getting a high value rental this season. I'm not sure we even need one. Brass was the worst player on the ice in the last game and it will be addition by subtraction.

Personally, I don't think they necessarily need one of those wings. I think a good 2 way 3C should be at the top of the list. If Schultz is able to return on schedule, we can probably get by without adding another D. Just praying Schultz pushes the obvious candidate to the press box.

I don't think the Pens will add any dmen unfortunately. It would be too much of a retool to do mid-season IMO. I could however see Oleksiak shipped out for the right deal.

Dumo, Maatta, Letang and Schultz are legit top-four dmen. Everyone else is pretty much around the same level offering strengths in different areas.

Right now, and I could be wrong stats-wise, but I think Pettersson and Riikola are currently playing better defensively than both JJ and JO.

If we're being realistic, the chances of moving Brass are probably not that likely. I think the Pens best chances are to get one of the higher-end rentals in Nyquist, Zucc or even Marcus Johansson if his health improves and knowing Shero's penchant for dmen, maybe a JO/MJ swap could be something.
- Rinosaur

The Pens are Letang, a couple of #3 dudes and boatload of #6 guys (with a major emphasis on the latter)

Hard to argue that lol

However, he doesn’t make moves for the sake of making moves. He just makes terrible moves.

So does he actually WANT to move Nurse or RNH? That remains to be seen.
- Rinosaur

I think he's making moves for the sake of making moves. I don't think any GM should move RNH, but im getting the sense he's trying to save his job. And when a GM gets super desperate, I think he's willing to move any piece (especially those he didn't acquire - so I feel someone like Spooner is off the board). No playoffs and he's probably outta edmonton this year. 5 straight losses have pretty much nullified any attention given to the coaching. Its all on him at this point. There really isn't anytime for him to wait to offseason to shake up the team.
Swinging a deal with a desperate GM might be worth it. Oleksiak, Maatta or someone in the bottom six is probably on the table. Might as well pick up the phone.

I don't think the Pens will add any dmen unfortunately. It would be too much of a retool to do mid-season IMO. I could however see Oleksiak shipped out for the right deal.

Dumo, Maatta, Letang and Schultz are legit top-four dmen. Everyone else is pretty much around the same level offering strengths in different areas.

Right now, and I could be wrong stats-wise, but I think Pettersson and Riikola are currently playing better defensively than both JJ and JO.

If we're being realistic, the chances of moving Brass are probably not that likely. I think the Pens best chances are to get one of the higher-end rentals in Nyquist, Zucc or even Marcus Johansson if his health improves and knowing Shero's penchant for dmen, maybe a JO/MJ swap could be something.
- Rinosaur

You rang?

I think he's making moves for the sake of making moves. I don't think any GM should move RNH, but im getting the sense he's trying to save his job. And when a GM gets super desperate, I think he's willing to move any piece (especially those he didn't acquire - so I feel someone like Spooner is off the board). No playoffs and he's probably outta edmonton this year. 5 straight losses have pretty much nullified any attention given to the coaching. Its all on him at this point. There really isn't anytime for him to wait to offseason to shake up the team.
Swinging a deal with a desperate GM might be worth it. Oleksiak, Maatta or someone in the bottom six is probably on the table. Might as well pick up the phone.
- DeflatedPucks

I just flagged this comment by accident, sorry haha.

Have to remember to swipe down HB on left side... On FB it has to be right side so I don't like things by accident...

Well sh!t, now 2 weeks in a row I didnt set roster for HBSL. Just went to do it... But... Games starting at 12:30 EST. Deadline missed.

The Pens are Letang, a couple of #3 dudes and boatload of #6 guys (with a major emphasis on the latter)
- DeflatedPucks

Most teams have holes on D. Fortunately, having a high caliber #1 drags the entire group north. Dumo is probably a decent #4, but next to Letang he's an acceptable #2. Schultz is a decent #3 who will prop up a player like Maatta who is probably a good #5.

Losing Schultz pretty much threw the D core into chaos. Losing Letang would decimate our D.

Another thing... Players like JJ and Oleksiak are brutal playing on the right.....they are Hunwick bad. It's excruciating watching them trying to clear the puck on their backhand. I know Ruhwedel isn't great, but I would have definitely given him more games after Schultz went down.

Come on Grinder, you're better than this.

Impossible to be that fast and skilled without brains and hockey IQ. He's thinking and processing the game at the highest level.
- MattStrat

I think he’s very physically gifted. I think Sid will elevate another player far better than McDavid.

LOL this is (frank)ing hysterical. No brains or hockey IQ? Hahaahahahahaha
- j.boyd919

I didn’t say low but he’s not the same type of player as Sid and Tavares. More like Ovi.

I just flagged this comment by accident, sorry haha.

Have to remember to swipe down HB on left side... On FB it has to be right side so I don't like things by accident...
- MattStrat

its ok, i've been flagged more than mike tomlin for coming onto the field

Come on Grinder, you're better than this.

Impossible to be that fast and skilled without brains and hockey IQ. He's thinking and processing the game at the highest level.
- MattStrat

Debatable.

I didn’t say low but he’s not the same type of player as Sid and Tavares. More like Ovi.
- Grinder47

Yeah, you're wrong.

Based on the fancy stats... Riikola and JJ are our worst (also Ruhwedle, but that is all we expect from him anyway). Oleksiak having the highest of those 6 was shocking... but I don't think he is bad by any means here.

Also... poor poor Petterson... look at his quality teammate stat. bottom 5th percentile in the NHL


So off of this... I'd (shocker I know) once again try to move Jack suckass Johnson out.



https://i.imgur.com/kNSiH2F.png



https://i.imgur.com/6sMmrTR.png



https://i.imgur.com/GJDrcOC.png
- Guile

The problem with our defense corp is that if Oleksiak was our worst defensemen (which he should and could have been before bad signings) then our defense would be solid, but he's not. JJ and Rikolla both suck more than Oleksiak and when you have 3 players on that level of suck... and 2 of them were added by choice, you're gonna have a bad time.