Bernie Parent played a game in his rookie year against the Montreal dynasty.

Clearly, he was ruined from that point on.
- jmatchett383

Totally beat me. Exactly the point this fan base needs to hear.

So Tampa Bay hasn't lost a game this month? Good luck boys.

Re Neuvirth tonight:

Makes perfect sense saving Hart for Florida as that is the game they NEED to win. Any points gained against Tampa, on the road, are a bonus.

Also for those making the comparison, Bernie Parent was a 3rd year pro when he faced Montreal during the 67-68 season, and the Flyers other goalie, Doug Favell, was also a rookie that season. So either way it was gonna be rookie facing whomever they were playing on any given night.

Re Neuvirth tonight:

Makes perfect sense saving Hart for Florida as that is the game they NEED to win. Any points gained against Tampa, on the road, are a bonus.

Also for those making the comparison, Bernie Parent was a 3rd year pro when he faced Montreal during the 67-68 season, and the Flyers other goalie, Doug Favell, was also a rookie that season. So either way it was gonna be rookie facing whomever they were playing on any given night.
- BiggE

Quit throwing your facts around here!

In all seriousness, Neuvy played very well last game and is a legit NHL goalie when healthy. We all want to see Hart play against high quality opponents, but there is nothing wrong with starting the more established goalie against a strong team and giving Hart a chance against Florida, where we haven't played very well of late IIRC.

I agree and to add to your point, why does everyone feel like a young player’s Psyche is so fragile? Giroux goes back to center and so it pushes Patrick to third line center and the argument is, it’s gonna hurt Patrick’s confidence. Like, are we serious?

Carter Hart is the best damn goalie prospect in the league. I’m sure he wants to face the best of the best and I think we should let him. Allow Hart to get a taste of how good the league really is and where he measures up.
- SuperSchennBros

Young players psyche is weaker than a Vets. You need confidence to be successful. Justin Pogge was supposed to be a big prospect goalie as well. He got brought up early and never did anything. Its one thing to put him in on a stable team but Flyers tend to fall apart defensively. You dont want a young kid like Hart getting pulled from a game within his first few games.

I dont agree that demotions hurt confidence. In fact I believe the opposite. You play less minutes against weaker talent. That allows confidence to build. I can use myself as an example. I am a good beer league level player. I could be better but I dont have confidence with the puck which means a lot of the time, I worry about turning the puck over than making a play. I worked on that a bit on my own but when I started to play weaker teams, I would perform better, I'd get confidence during the game and I would try making moves.

Right now Im at the point where I dont fear turning the puck over but I hesitate when the D stands me up. I dont have that confidence to try and deke the Dmen out. If I played against people under my level I would be more likely to try it, be successful and continue doing it until It becomes second nature.

There is always two parts to improving. Play against better players to learn new things and play vs weaker players to gain confidence doing those things and practice them in game situations.

Re Neuvirth tonight:

Makes perfect sense saving Hart for Florida as that is the game they NEED to win. Any points gained against Tampa, on the road, are a bonus.

Also for those making the comparison, Bernie Parent was a 3rd year pro when he faced Montreal during the 67-68 season, and the Flyers other goalie, Doug Favell, was also a rookie that season. So either way it was gonna be rookie facing whomever they were playing on any given night.
- BiggE

But...Bernie and the Flyers beat the Habs in Montreal the first game they every players them 4-1.

Though I agree with the decision to sit out Hart tonight.

Young players psyche is weaker than a Vets. You need confidence to be successful. Justin Pogge was supposed to be a big prospect goalie as well. He got brought up early and never did anything. Its one thing to put him in on a stable team but Flyers tend to fall apart defensively. You dont want a young kid like Hart getting pulled from a game within his first few games.

I dont agree that demotions hurt confidence. In fact I believe the opposite. You play less minutes against weaker talent. That allows confidence to build. I can use myself as an example. I am a good beer league level player. I could be better but I dont have confidence with the puck which means a lot of the time, I worry about turning the puck over than making a play. I worked on that a bit on my own but when I started to play weaker teams, I would perform better, I'd get confidence during the game and I would try making moves.

Right now Im at the point where I dont fear turning the puck over but I hesitate when the D stands me up. I dont have that confidence to try and deke the Dmen out. If I played against people under my level I would be more likely to try it, be successful and continue doing it until It becomes second nature.

There is always two parts to improving. Play against better players to learn new things and play vs weaker players to gain confidence doing those things and practice them in game situations.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Please do not force me to be mean, as you compare your beer league skills to any nhl player’s skill sets.

Re Neuvirth tonight:

Makes perfect sense saving Hart for Florida as that is the game they NEED to win. Any points gained against Tampa, on the road, are a bonus.

Also for those making the comparison, Bernie Parent was a 3rd year pro when he faced Montreal during the 67-68 season, and the Flyers other goalie, Doug Favell, was also a rookie that season. So either way it was gonna be rookie facing whomever they were playing on any given night.
- BiggE

Bobrovsky’s first playoff outing, didn’t go so well. It was heavily reported that he took the loss hard.

Fast forward to today. Two time Vezina winner.

Please do not force me to be mean, as you compare your beer league skills to any nhl player’s skill sets.
- SuperSchennBros

Let's be honest, the comparison he made is relevant.

Bobrovsky’s first playoff outing, didn’t go so well. It was heavily reported that he took the loss hard.

Fast forward to today. Two time Vezina winner.
- SuperSchennBros

That still can't win a playoff series.. Only kidding. He's one heck of a goalie.

Bobrovsky’s first playoff outing, didn’t go so well. It was heavily reported that he took the loss hard.

Fast forward to today. Two time Vezina winner.
- SuperSchennBros

His last playoff outing didn't go so well either. Nor many others in between despite two Vezinas.

Please do not force me to be mean, as you compare your beer league skills to any nhl player’s skill sets.
- SuperSchennBros

Let's be honest, the comparison he made is relevant.
- BenderRodriguez

No, it's not in my opinion. It's a fallacy. First of all, pro athletes have a completely different mind set that has developed than the regular joe who slaps on a set of skates for an hour at the local rink. It's not even close to being comparable. Not to even mention the individual differences among players themselves.

Re Neuvirth tonight:

Makes perfect sense saving Hart for Florida as that is the game they NEED to win. Any points gained against Tampa, on the road, are a bonus.

Also for those making the comparison, Bernie Parent was a 3rd year pro when he faced Montreal during the 67-68 season, and the Flyers other goalie, Doug Favell, was also a rookie that season. So either way it was gonna be rookie facing whomever they were playing on any given night.
- BiggE

Pssst.....it's me.

Bobrovsky’s first, second, third, fourth, and fifth playoff outings, didn’t go so well. It was heavily reported that he took the loss hard.

Fast forward to today. Two time Vezina winner.
- SuperSchennBros

ftfy

No, it's not in my opinion. It's a fallacy. First of all, pro athletes have a completely different mind set that has developed than the regular joe who slaps on a set of skates for an hour at the local rink. It's not even close to being comparable. Not to even mention the individual differences among players themselves.
- MJL

So then why have a developmental league? I think it is relevant that you use the AHL to develop and get better. I agree that pro athletes have a different mind set, but I think building confidence for a young player is important in lower leagues as well.

Let's be honest, the comparison he made is relevant.
- BenderRodriguez

No it's not. Not even close. If he makes a gaffe, his teammates will have a laugh about it over a beer in the parking lot.

If a pro makes a gaffe, he has an entire fanbase ripping him, the possibility of a benching or demotion, and it can affect (if it continues) his professional salary. Plus he may get blasted by the coach the next day in practice.

But yeah, same thing.

So then why have a developmental league? I think it is relevant that you use the AHL to develop and get better. I agree that pro athletes have a different mind set, but I think building confidence for a young player is important in lower leagues as well.
- BenderRodriguez

Yes. And if you succeed in the developmental league, you can get called up to the NHL where you have a 10x salary increase. What does the regular Joe gain by being better in his beer league?

Yes. And if you succeed in the developmental league, you can get called up to the NHL where you have a 10x salary increase. What does the regular Joe gain by being better in his beer league?
- jmatchett383

Nothing at all. Perhaps I didn't articulate well enough. I see the relevance in gaining confidence and refining a players game in a developmental league then executing at the highest level. That's all.

Nothing at all. Perhaps I didn't articulate well enough. I see the relevance in gaining confidence and refining a players game in a developmental league then executing at the highest level. That's all.
- BenderRodriguez

Nothing at all. Perhaps I didn't articulate well enough. I see the relevance in gaining confidence and refining a players game in a developmental league then executing at the highest level. That's all.
- BenderRodriguez

I agree. Sometimes, players come into the league already too good for that league. Other times, outside factors like injuries force players to get called up before they're fully 100% developed, so to speak. Most of us wanted Hart to get more AHL times before being called up.

But using a beer league as a reference to compare to the AHL/NHL is a completely different matter.

So then why have a developmental league? I think it is relevant that you use the AHL to develop and get better. I agree that pro athletes have a different mind set, but I think building confidence for a young player is important in lower leagues as well.
- BenderRodriguez

I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from. Nobody has said that. What was said is don't compare a beer leaguer and his experiences to a professional athlete and his.

Pssst.....it me.
- jmatchett383

Ftfy

Ftfy
- dragonoffrost

Indeed, it it me.

I do the am good yes.

Guentzel 5x6... Ut oh

Guentzel 5x6... Ut oh
- dragonoffrost

So basically, he got the same term and $1M more per year than Jack Johnson.