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Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 19 @ 9:54 PM ET
In my opinion, in the right situation, Simmonds is still a 30-30 guy.
- MJL


I agree.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 19 @ 9:54 PM ET
Now that you put it that way...ugh I don't want that line with Simmonds on it.

Move either Simmonds or Horner to the 2nd unit OR since it seems like Crosby, Malkin and Kessel play the full 2 mins just have line changes with the two.

2019 1st Round works for me

- Glak18


I’m surprised they even have that left. I want that to go for muzzin.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 19 @ 9:54 PM ET
I think that would be s tremendous fit for both him and the team. Make no mistake I think his next deal is going to be an anchor for the team that inks it. But for this upcoming postseason, you put him on the leafs and he crushes it there. I’m also not exactly team intangible, but it is a real thing and he would bring it to them in spades. I don’t know what you guys would want or realistically could get for a pure rental, but I don’t think you could pair a better trade marriage in the league than that one.
- stayinthefnnet


I would love a 1st round pick or a Calen Addison for him....
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 19 @ 9:55 PM ET
In my opinion, in the right situation, Simmonds is still a 30-30 guy.
- MJL

This year he is. Next year, I’m still a buyer. The year after I wouldn’t bet against him either. After that, the deal will be too rich for me given the risk. And yes, it’s very fair to say the same about hornqvists deal.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 19 @ 10:11 PM ET
I wonder who the Penguins hate more the Flyers or Capitals.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 19 @ 10:17 PM ET
I wonder who the Penguins hate more the Flyers or Capitals.
- Glak18

I would wager the latter. At least now anyway.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 19 @ 10:19 PM ET
I would wager the latter. At least now anyway.
- stayinthefnnet


I never understand when I watch Pens-Cap games...it seems like it is always low scoring and tons of missed chances, but Flyers-Pens...everything goes in. The hate flows in both.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 19 @ 10:25 PM ET
I never understand when I watch Pens-Cap games...it seems like it is always low scoring and tons of missed chances, but Flyers-Pens...everything goes in. The hate flows in both.
- Glak18

Wilson single handedly tilts it to a large extent. The flyers by and large are good guys. There’s definitely the giroux/Crosby dynamic, but the caps have had a lot of post season history with them going both ways since that 2012 bloodbath. I do agree that it always seems to be a lot of missed chances with pens caps games and a lot of .760 save percentage games with flyers pens
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 19 @ 10:29 PM ET
Wilson single handedly tilts it to a large extent. The flyers by and large are good guys. There’s definitely the giroux/Crosby dynamic, but the caps have had a lot of post season history with them going both ways since that 2012 bloodbath. I do agree that it always seems to be a lot of missed chances with pens caps games and a lot of .760 save percentage games with flyers pens
- stayinthefnnet


I can't wait to see what the Penguins look like in 5-6 years. Do they sign big name UFAs or do they tank it again?
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 19 @ 10:34 PM ET
I can't wait to see what the Penguins look like in 5-6 years. Do they sign big name UFAs or do they tank it again?
- Glak18

Tank across the Russian frontier.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 19 @ 10:40 PM ET
Tank across the Russian frontier.
- stayinthefnnet


Actually the more I look at it, Pens probably have 3 years before complete rock bottom. As long as they don't get a top pick this year then I am cool with that.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 19 @ 10:50 PM ET
Actually the more I look at it, Pens probably have 3 years before complete rock bottom. As long as they don't get a top pick this year then I am cool with that.
- Glak18


It’s coming fast. It just goes. Which is why it cracks me up when people want to run giroux out on a rail. It will probably be a little while before you have a guy consistently in the top crust of scoring like that again yourselves.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 19 @ 11:03 PM ET
It’s coming fast. It just goes. Which is why it cracks me up when people want to run giroux out on a rail. It will probably be a little while before you have a guy consistently in the top crust of scoring like that again yourselves.
- stayinthefnnet


I think Flyer fans agree he is basically cemented as a life long Flyer. What I find makes it that much more amazing, Giroux was a late first round pick and I think because of that he doesn't get the recognition he deserves. The two down years for him were frustrating, but you could tell something was wrong and not that he was bad, although he did play bad at times because of it.

I am just curious to see if the Penguins can build a competitive team again without getting an unanimous top franchise pick. Other than Nashville, not many other teams win without having one currently or did and traded them.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 20 @ 12:11 AM ET
I think Flyer fans agree he is basically cemented as a life long Flyer. What I find makes it that much more amazing, Giroux was a late first round pick and I think because of that he doesn't get the recognition he deserves. The two down years for him were frustrating, but you could tell something was wrong and not that he was bad, although he did play bad at times because of it.

I am just curious to see if the Penguins can build a competitive team again without getting an unanimous top franchise pick. Other than Nashville, not many other teams win without having one currently or did and traded them.

- Glak18


At a certain point the numbers are just too much to ignore. In the past decade be is right there behind Crosby in points ahead of pretty much everyone else. Maybe never had that one year where he was the unquestioned best player, but that sustained level of dominance is rare.

As far as your last point, I don’t know if they can or will. But like you touch on, I don’t think if anyone really does these days, especially in hockey.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 20 @ 6:37 AM ET
I think Flyer fans agree he is basically cemented as a life long Flyer. What I find makes it that much more amazing, Giroux was a late first round pick and I think because of that he doesn't get the recognition he deserves. The two down years for him were frustrating, but you could tell something was wrong and not that he was bad, although he did play bad at times because of it.

I am just curious to see if the Penguins can build a competitive team again without getting an unanimous top franchise pick. Other than Nashville, not many other teams win without having one currently or did and traded them.

- Glak18


Giroux is the most underrated athlete in Philadelphia in the past 20 years.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 20 @ 6:37 AM ET
Also, in that fight between Wilson and Oleksiak, if I'm honest, I was rooting for the meteor to land between them and take them both out.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 20 @ 7:30 AM ET
This year he is. Next year, I’m still a buyer. The year after I wouldn’t bet against him either. After that, the deal will be too rich for me given the risk. And yes, it’s very fair to say the same about hornqvists deal.
- stayinthefnnet


Unfortunately, that risk is always there for older players. If GM's think they can win a Cup though, they'll make the move. They figure when that happens, they might not be around.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 20 @ 8:02 AM ET
What if we traded Simmonds for Jori Lehtera, Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee and kept Brayden Schenn at an affordable cost?
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Dec 20 @ 8:24 AM ET
So now I’m angry, no trades, no nothing, I have always supported homer but he sure did take the long way in changing the coach.

Hextall did not need to be fired, we’re getting the same song and dance from fletcher, with no players moves I now believe that homer asked Hextall to fire Hakstol and he wouldn’t

There is absolutely no difference in Hextall and fletch
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 20 @ 8:26 AM ET
What if we traded Simmonds for Jori Lehtera, Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee and kept Brayden Schenn at an affordable cost?
- SuperSchennBros


Unless you have a time machine, this question is pointless.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 20 @ 8:27 AM ET
What if we traded Simmonds for Jori Lehtera, Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee and kept Brayden Schenn at an affordable cost?
- SuperSchennBros


St. Louis is saying, "At least we got Brayden Schenn."
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 20 @ 8:30 AM ET
So now I’m angry, no trades, no nothing, I have always supported homer but he sure did take the long way in changing the coach.

Hextall did not need to be fired, we’re getting the same song and dance from fletcher, with no players moves I now believe that homer asked Hextall to fire Hakstol and he wouldn’t

There is absolutely no difference in Hextall and fletch

- mydoglicks


Do you want him to make a bad trade, just to make a bad trade? I'm happy he isn't throwing Frost's name out there before he gets to evaluate his worth from inside the team perspective. While GM's know about other teams talents, they usually dont know as much as the owning team.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Dec 20 @ 8:33 AM ET
Do you want him to make a bad trade, just to make a bad trade? I'm happy he isn't throwing Frost's name out there before he gets to evaluate his worth from inside the team perspective. While GM's know about other teams talents, they usually dont know as much as the owning team.
- youarewrong



I get it, but this is the oxymoron of this whole situation, it was reported that homer wasn’t happy because he wouldn’t make a trade, so that leaves an impression that homer had some ideas on trading, but still nothing happens

Was it firing the coach and bringing hart up the problem?

It sure seems that way, new coach and hart makes a start and flyers universe is all hunker dorey, this is bullpoop the same reason Hextall was fired is the same reason fletcher isn’t trading either, bunch of idiots

dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 20 @ 8:40 AM ET


I get it, but this is the oxymoron of this whole situation, it was reported that homer wasn’t happy because he wouldn’t make a trade, so that leaves an impression that homer had some ideas on trading, but still nothing happens

Was it firing the coach and bringing hart up the problem?

It sure seems that way, new coach and hart makes a start and flyers universe is all hunker dorey, this is bullpoop the same reason Hextall was fired is the same reason fletcher isn’t trading either, bunch of idiots


- mydoglicks

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 20 @ 8:47 AM ET
So now I’m angry, no trades, no nothing, I have always supported homer but he sure did take the long way in changing the coach.

Hextall did not need to be fired, we’re getting the same song and dance from fletcher, with no players moves I now believe that homer asked Hextall to fire Hakstol and he wouldn’t

There is absolutely no difference in Hextall and fletch

- mydoglicks


The NHL trade market is he determining factor. Fletcher has barely moved into the GM's office so we have to give him a chance. What I think is happening is that Fletcher is finding the same prices that Hextall was finding prohibiting a deal.
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