Wut?

Matthews had the highest TOI for any Leafs forward in the Boston series. He scored 1 goal.

Just keep banging him out there against Bergeron even though he couldn't score?

Is that your suggestion?
- walshyleafsfan

That is a small sample size myth.
I believe he had approx 28 shots in that series. Avg 4/game. At his usual shot % we should have had 4 goals not one. With a little puck luck 5 or 6. If that had occurred he would be called “clutch” - which is another statistical myth mostly. Auston was fine. He had to put up with more uncalled crap against him too. Somehow the leafs got way more penalties than the bruins (yet still almost won) which was a complete reversal from the regular season. Had penalties been called along the same ratio as in the regular season Matthews likely gets a couple of extra PP points and again would be appreciated for the player he is. So glad he is a Leaf.

Could, could, could. It's been 5 years and 12 since a player switched teams.
- RogerRoeper

True.
Also, dubas could sign them both in the next month or so or anytime before july 1st.
An offer sheet is rare and unlikely.
But if am and mm make it to july 1st with no deal, they are the perfect candidate to offer sheet.
Same with Rat in Colorado
I think thats all people are saying.
The media, well their is just filling pages and clicks.

He’s either just trolling, or a complete moron.
- Dongull_Trump

He could be both, they often go hand in hand.

If you're a team in the Leafs division wouldn't you just put in a ridiculous offer sheet to (frank) with the Leafs cap situation. Let's say MTL offer sheets Matthews for 15 million the Leafs will obviously match it thus effectively screwing them cap wise in the long run. Idk if that's plausible but what are your takes on this Leaf fans?

Jack Eichel gets more than both Matthews and JT. Eichel was getting more last season than Matthews was.


Are you guys not aware of this?


Here's Mitch's dad. He's 100% correct.

https://twitter.com/danie.../1074764784422318081?s=19


Forget about offersheets, this is the Leafs real issue.
- RogerRoeper

Whether youre right or wrong, Marner’s Dad is possibly the worst source of an objective opinion you could reference...

If you're a team in the Leafs division wouldn't you just put in a ridiculous offer sheet to (frank) with the Leafs cap situation. Let's say MTL offer sheets Matthews for 15 million the Leafs will obviously match it thus effectively screwing them cap wise in the long run. Idk if that's plausible but what are your takes on this Leaf fans?
- FreshFlyer

I'm not worried about it until it happens. If Matthews ends up being a mercenary of sorts and chases the highest payday by signing an offer sheet then so be it.

I don't imagine a contending or near-so team can offer Matthews drastically more than the 10-12 mil he will make with Toronto in salary, plus any added revenue with Leaf related endorsements and remain competitive. So I'm not particularly concerned.

Whether youre right or wrong, Marner’s Dad is possibly the worst source of an objective opinion you could reference...
- 13sundin13

Yep.

Have you ever been to a triple A midget game?? 50% of parenrs are (frank)ing nuts. They try to live in their sons fame.

I’d even take a bet that playing in the NHL ruins families as much as it keeps them together. Not many young men want their dads to get to involved with their career. They are grown men.

I read into it and it sounds like Marner has kept his father out of the loop with things...apperently he’s one of those crazy hockey parents. Plenty of them.

I'm not worried about it until it happens. If Matthews ends up being a mercenary of sorts and chases the highest payday by signing an offer sheet then so be it.

I don't imagine a contending or near-so team can offer Matthews drastically more than the 10-12 mil he will make with Toronto in salary, plus any added revenue with Leaf related endorsements and remain competitive. So I'm not particularly concerned.
- BetterCallSaul

That's true Matthews or Marner taking a payday like that probably means the team offering such a contract isn't anywhere near the max cap so essentially they'd be leaving a competitive team for more money to go to a team that's not so great. Should be interesting to see what happens anyhow, I think Dubas gets them signed well before any of this becomes an issue , the whole Nylander saga probably taught him a few lessons.

Why are the Leafs playing at 2pm on January 3?


I blame Dubas.

Next season:

Hyman (2.25) - Tavares (11) - Marner (9)
?? (??)- Matthews (11) - Kapanen (4)
Marleau (6.25) - Kadri (4.5) - Brown (2.1)
Johnsson (1.75) - Lindholm (1.5) - Grundstrom (0.925)
?? (1) / ?? (1)
FW estimated caphit without #2 LW: 56.275


Rielly (5) - ?? (??)
Dermott (0.865) - Zaitsev (4.5)
?? (1) - Liljegren (0.9)
?? (1)
D estimated caphit without #1 RHD: 13.265

Freddy (5)
?? (1)
GK estimated caphit: 6

Total estimated caphit without #2 LW and #1RHD: 75.6
Estimated cap ceiling 2019-2020: 84million (high end of projections).

That leaves 8.6 million on the table for 2nd line winger and a d-man.

Nylander has a 6.96 caphit.
Gardiner would have a 5.5-7million caphit as well.
That would leave approx 1.5 million for the topline d-man.. (so not an option for sure unless a young d-man on his first contract).

So *maybe* Leafs can keep Nylander, but only if the cap increases by 4-5million..
Matthews and Marner contracts are low end estimations as well.

So best case scenario: Leafs can put all of the core players but one (Gardiner/Nylander) on the team - and will then use the other one to acquire a young player on a low contract.

Since Leafs want to keep Gardiner for playoffs, seems most obvious to try and trade Nylander coming off-season for a young winger/d-man on a contract below 1million.
Looking at the d-pairings, it looks like Gardiner will be let go off as well.

2019-2020 team could then look like this (example):

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
?? - Matthews - Kapanen
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Grundstrom
Marchment - Moore

Rielly - ??
Dermott - Zaitsev
Rosen/Borgman - Ozhiganov
Liljegren

Freddy
Sparks

Ideally Leafs trade Nylander + a pick or picks in a deal to acquire a RHD and a (young?) winger.

Scenarios:
Anaheim: Manson + Rackell for Nylander + 1st + ++ (? not sure what it would take; Rackell is on a great contract, and by himself of even value as Nylander)

Dallas: would a trade around Klingberg for Nylander be an option?? (would love to get Faksa in that deal as well; move Kadri to Matthews' wing??)

St Louis: Schwartz would be a great linemate for Matthews; don't see a realistic option on D though.

not a lot of teams that provide a realistic opportunity there - so keep Nylander, and work see if there is an option to add a d-man via FA?

then it would look like:

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Nylander/Kapanen (off-wing?) - Matthews - Kapanen/Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Grundstrom
Marchment - Moore

Rielly - UFA (/Hainsey) contract under 1.5mln
Dermott - Zaitsev
Rosen/Borgman - Ozhiganov
Liljegren

Freddy
Sparks

most realistic lineup for next year - contingent on the projected contracts fitting under the salary cap ceiling (if salary cap ceiling is 82million or below, and/or Marner and Matthews contracts add up to over 20million caphit, Leafs can be in trouble and will need to look at trading one or more of Brown/Kadri/Zaitsev/Kapanen/Nylander).

Next season:

Hyman (2.25) - Tavares (11) - Marner (9)
?? (??)- Matthews (11) - Kapanen (4)
Marleau (6.25) - Kadri (4.5) - Brown (2.1)
Johnsson (1.75) - Lindholm (1.5) - Grundstrom (0.925)
?? (1) / ?? (1)
FW estimated caphit without #2 LW: 56.275


Rielly (5) - ?? (??)
Dermott (0.865) - Zaitsev (4.5)
?? (1) - Liljegren (0.9)
?? (1)
D estimated caphit without #1 RHD: 13.265

Freddy (5)
?? (1)
GK estimated caphit: 6

Total estimated caphit without #2 LW and #1RHD: 75.6
Estimated cap ceiling 2019-2020: 84million (high end of projections).

That leaves 8.6 million on the table for 2nd line winger and a d-man.

Nylander has a 6.96 caphit.
Gardiner would have a 5.5-7million caphit as well.
That would leave approx 1.5 million for the topline d-man.. (so not an option for sure unless a young d-man on his first contract).

So *maybe* Leafs can keep Nylander, but only if the cap increases by 4-5million..
Matthews and Marner contracts are low end estimations as well.

So best case scenario: Leafs can put all of the core players but one (Gardiner/Nylander) on the team - and will then use the other one to acquire a young player on a low contract.

Since Leafs want to keep Gardiner for playoffs, seems most obvious to try and trade Nylander coming off-season for a young winger/d-man on a contract below 1million.
Looking at the d-pairings, it looks like Gardiner will be let go off as well.

2019-2020 team could then look like this (example):

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
?? - Matthews - Kapanen
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Grundstrom
Marchment - Moore

Rielly - ??
Dermott - Zaitsev
Rosen/Borgman - Ozhiganov
Liljegren

Freddy
Sparks

Ideally Leafs trade Nylander + a pick or picks in a deal to acquire a RHD and a (young?) winger.

Scenarios:
Anaheim: Manson + Rackell for Nylander + 1st + ++ (? not sure what it would take; Rackell is on a great contract, and by himself of even value as Nylander)

Dallas: would a trade around Klingberg for Nylander be an option?? (would love to get Faksa in that deal as well; move Kadri to Matthews' wing??)

St Louis: Schwartz would be a great linemate for Matthews; don't see a realistic option on D though.

not a lot of teams that provide a realistic opportunity there - so keep Nylander, and work see if there is an option to add a d-man via FA?

then it would look like:

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Nylander/Kapanen (off-wing?) - Matthews - Kapanen/Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Grundstrom
Marchment - Moore

Rielly - UFA (/Hainsey) contract under 1.5mln
Dermott - Zaitsev
Rosen/Borgman - Ozhiganov
Liljegren

Freddy
Sparks

most realistic lineup for next year - contingent on the projected contracts fitting under the salary cap ceiling (if salary cap ceiling is 82million or below, and/or Marner and Matthews contracts add up to over 20million caphit, Leafs can be in trouble and will need to look at trading one or more of Brown/Kadri/Zaitsev/Kapanen/Nylander).
- plantheparade

I think you might underestimate both Manson's and Rakell's value.

Manson isn't all that great, but being a RHD with a very reasonable contract next 3 years - he would probably bring back a 1st and a very good prospect at the TDL.

And with a ~35 goal 'guarantee' for a 3.8 cap hit next 3 years, Rakell is probably worth a 1st together with 2 good prospects at the TDL...

I think you might underestimate both Manson's and Rakell's value.

Manson isn't all that great, but being a RHD with a very reasonable contract next 3 years - he would probably bring back a 1st and a very good prospect at the TDL.

And with a ~35 goal 'guarantee' for a 3.8 cap hit next 3 years, Rakell is probably worth a 1st together with 2 good prospects at the TDL...
- 21peter

I agree that it's very unrealistic Anaheim trades those guys; that's why i put
Nylander, 1st ++

If you're a team in the Leafs division wouldn't you just put in a ridiculous offer sheet to (frank) with the Leafs cap situation. Let's say MTL offer sheets Matthews for 15 million the Leafs will obviously match it thus effectively screwing them cap wise in the long run. Idk if that's plausible but what are your takes on this Leaf fans?
- FreshFlyer

You think Matthews would sign that offer sheet with Montreal?. Weber, Price and Matthews locked in for 7 years?

I think you might underestimate both Manson's and Rakell's value.

Manson isn't all that great, but being a RHD with a very reasonable contract next 3 years - he would probably bring back a 1st and a very good prospect at the TDL.

And with a ~35 goal 'guarantee' for a 3.8 cap hit next 3 years, Rakell is probably worth a 1st together with 2 good prospects at the TDL...
- 21peter

And John Klingberg

You think Matthews would sign that offer sheet with Montreal?. Weber, Price and Matthews locked in for 7 years?
- walshyleafsfan

The player signing the offer sheet doesn't need to actually want to sign it, and the team signing him doesn't need to have the $$/cap space to do it.

As long as it generate clicks it'll happen. That's why only Matthews and marner are targets, but not point or rantanen or laine.

And John Klingberg
- walshyleafsfan

Dallas needs more offense, and Heiskanen will be their #1 D-man i think.
Klingberg is very good, but not super imo.

My point was more that Leafs will lose 1, possibly 2 of Gardiner & Nylander coming season - depending on cap ceiling and Marner, Matthews contracts.

And John Klingberg
- walshyleafsfan

Klingberg for Zaitsev and the Kessel $$

Klingberg for Zaitsev and the Kessel $$
- 21peter

As long as we send $1.8m of the $1.2m we retained.

Next season:

You don’t have to pay Kappy 4 million. I don’t think you need to pay even 3. Maybe 3 X 2.75


Rielly (5) - ?? (??)
Dermott (0.865) - Zaitsev (4.5)
?? (1) - Liljegren (0.9)
?? (1)
D estimated caphit without #1 RHD: 13.265

Freddy (5)
?? (1)
GK estimated caphit: 6

Total estimated caphit without #2 LW and #1RHD: 75.6
Estimated cap ceiling 2019-2020: 84million (high end of projections).

That leaves 8.6 million on the table for 2nd line winger and a d-man.

Nylander has a 6.96 caphit.
Gardiner would have a 5.5-7million caphit as well.
That would leave approx 1.5 million for the topline d-man.. (so not an option for sure unless a young d-man on his first contract).

So *maybe* Leafs can keep Nylander, but only if the cap increases by 4-5million..
Matthews and Marner contracts are low end estimations as well.

So best case scenario: Leafs can put all of the core players but one (Gardiner/Nylander) on the team - and will then use the other one to acquire a young player on a low contract.

Since Leafs want to keep Gardiner for playoffs, seems most obvious to try and trade Nylander coming off-season for a young winger/d-man on a contract below 1million.
Looking at the d-pairings, it looks like Gardiner will be let go off as well.

2019-2020 team could then look like this (example):

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
?? - Matthews - Kapanen
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Grundstrom
Marchment - Moore

Rielly - ??
Dermott - Zaitsev
Rosen/Borgman - Ozhiganov
Liljegren

Freddy
Sparks

Ideally Leafs trade Nylander + a pick or picks in a deal to acquire a RHD and a (young?) winger.

Scenarios:
Anaheim: Manson + Rackell for Nylander + 1st + ++ (? not sure what it would take; Rackell is on a great contract, and by himself of even value as Nylander)

Dallas: would a trade around Klingberg for Nylander be an option?? (would love to get Faksa in that deal as well; move Kadri to Matthews' wing??)

St Louis: Schwartz would be a great linemate for Matthews; don't see a realistic option on D though.

not a lot of teams that provide a realistic opportunity there - so keep Nylander, and work see if there is an option to add a d-man via FA?

then it would look like:

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Nylander/Kapanen (off-wing?) - Matthews - Kapanen/Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Grundstrom
Marchment - Moore

Rielly - UFA (/Hainsey) contract under 1.5mln
Dermott - Zaitsev
Rosen/Borgman - Ozhiganov
Liljegren

Freddy
Sparks

most realistic lineup for next year - contingent on the projected contracts fitting under the salary cap ceiling (if salary cap ceiling is 82million or below, and/or Marner and Matthews contracts add up to over 20million caphit, Leafs can be in trouble and will need to look at trading one or more of Brown/Kadri/Zaitsev/Kapanen/Nylander).
- plantheparade

Did we trade our 1st round pick for a fourth line center yet??



But seriously, the buds will be in a grumpy mood tonight, I expect a convincing win...

Also, this whole ice time issue is relative. We are getting very few penalty calls. If we had 1 or 2 more calls per game the ice time of our top stars would go up a few minutes! It mostly comes down to that, doesn't it? Speaking of PP, for god sakes Babs switch up the PP. Teams have figured out the pattern of Reilly over to Marner over to Matthews...

Offer sheets, c'mon.

GM sends offer sheet, looks like total Richard to rest of league, possibly damaging relations permanently and exposing their own RFA(s) to same treatment.

So said GM needs to be absolutely certain that player will actually sign it for it to be worthwhile.... which is extremely difficult to do with this thing called tampering.

Oh and team has to have the cap room to do it, so they're either a bottom-dweller that lives below the cap ("Ooo! Ooo! Where do I sign up long-term? I can't wait to have an unmovable contract with the Coyotes!") or a middling team that needs to move a bunch of cap boat anchor players to make room.... oh and they have to have all of their own 1st round picks too...

Next season:

Hyman (2.25) - Tavares (11) - Marner (9)
?? (??)- Matthews (11) - Kapanen (4)
Marleau (6.25) - Kadri (4.5) - Brown (2.1)
Johnsson (1.75) - Lindholm (1.5) - Grundstrom (0.925)
?? (1) / ?? (1)
FW estimated caphit without #2 LW: 56.275


Rielly (5) - ?? (??)
Dermott (0.865) - Zaitsev (4.5)
?? (1) - Liljegren (0.9)
?? (1)
D estimated caphit without #1 RHD: 13.265

Freddy (5)
?? (1)
GK estimated caphit: 6

Total estimated caphit without #2 LW and #1RHD: 75.6
Estimated cap ceiling 2019-2020: 84million (high end of projections).

That leaves 8.6 million on the table for 2nd line winger and a d-man.

Nylander has a 6.96 caphit.
Gardiner would have a 5.5-7million caphit as well.
That would leave approx 1.5 million for the topline d-man.. (so not an option for sure unless a young d-man on his first contract).

So *maybe* Leafs can keep Nylander, but only if the cap increases by 4-5million..
Matthews and Marner contracts are low end estimations as well.

So best case scenario: Leafs can put all of the core players but one (Gardiner/Nylander) on the team - and will then use the other one to acquire a young player on a low contract.

Since Leafs want to keep Gardiner for playoffs, seems most obvious to try and trade Nylander coming off-season for a young winger/d-man on a contract below 1million.
Looking at the d-pairings, it looks like Gardiner will be let go off as well.

2019-2020 team could then look like this (example):

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
?? - Matthews - Kapanen
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Grundstrom
Marchment - Moore

Rielly - ??
Dermott - Zaitsev
Rosen/Borgman - Ozhiganov
Liljegren

Freddy
Sparks

Ideally Leafs trade Nylander + a pick or picks in a deal to acquire a RHD and a (young?) winger.

Scenarios:
Anaheim: Manson + Rackell for Nylander + 1st + ++ (? not sure what it would take; Rackell is on a great contract, and by himself of even value as Nylander)

Dallas: would a trade around Klingberg for Nylander be an option?? (would love to get Faksa in that deal as well; move Kadri to Matthews' wing??)

St Louis: Schwartz would be a great linemate for Matthews; don't see a realistic option on D though.

not a lot of teams that provide a realistic opportunity there - so keep Nylander, and work see if there is an option to add a d-man via FA?

then it would look like:

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Nylander/Kapanen (off-wing?) - Matthews - Kapanen/Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Grundstrom
Marchment - Moore

Rielly - UFA (/Hainsey) contract under 1.5mln
Dermott - Zaitsev
Rosen/Borgman - Ozhiganov
Liljegren

Freddy
Sparks

most realistic lineup for next year - contingent on the projected contracts fitting under the salary cap ceiling (if salary cap ceiling is 82million or below, and/or Marner and Matthews contracts add up to over 20million caphit, Leafs can be in trouble and will need to look at trading one or more of Brown/Kadri/Zaitsev/Kapanen/Nylander).
- plantheparade

Keep Nylander, trade Marner. He will cost more and you can get back a better return. Plus his dad is going to be an issue during negotiations. Can’t have a player like that on the team, might become a problem in the locker room.

Dallas needs more offense, and Heiskanen will be their #1 D-man i think.
Klingberg is very good, but not super imo.

My point was more that Leafs will lose 1, possibly 2 of Gardiner & Nylander coming season - depending on cap ceiling and Marner, Matthews contracts.
- plantheparade

nope ain't going to happen as long as Dubas is GM.
if you give your word to someone and break it, do you think other players will take notice and either leave or not sign with the Leafs as they are not trust worthy.
They'll pull a Jerry Maguire

Keep Nylander, trade Marner. He will cost more and you can get back a better return. Plus his dad is going to be an issue during negotiations. Can’t have a player like that on the team, might become a problem in the locker room.
- Dongull_Trump

What is it with your players and their (frank)ing dads man?