Yea those Sabres with a +7 goal differential and had a +12 goal differential on a 10 game win streak, they are not a comparable team no matter how close they are in the standings, it is very unlikely they keep it up.

Go look at TOI for forwards, our forwards are right there with most teams that have depth. Matthews, Marner and Tavares all play similar minutes to Kucherov, Pasternak, Pavelski, Couture, Hall, Monahan, Malkin, Forsberg, Kuznetsnov and a ton of other players.

Barkov, Eichel, McDavid, MacKinnon, Rantanen, Kopitar, and Seguin to name a few have little to no one behind them, those teams have to play those guys every other shift to compete. It will catch up to them. People want to complain about Andersen getting tired but want our forwards double shifting every game....
- harps43

It's Leafs fans (not all). If they're not comparing about something, they're not doing their job.

The Sportsnet crew and some Leafs fans get offended that the other team might beat them or score against them. Not much credit is given to other good teams the Leafs play.

Newflash. The Leafs will lose games this season. And every year going forward.

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- harps43

Yet it's affecting the signing of our young players.

Sure like he’s comparable to marner in talent?!
Go back in your moms basement iow u haven’t grown up yet. How bout YouTube kids tv for yourself
- BreathLeafs2015

The fact you really thought I was comparing Marner and WEISE...click that logout button on the top right as soon as possible, thanks.

Took 30 seconds to do so, apparently too much work for people that want to spew nonsense
- harps43

which website did you use for this query?

I don't follow the analytics side of the game too much.

It's Leafs fans (not all). If they're not comparing about something, they're not doing their job.

The Sportsnet crew and some Leafs fans get offended that the other team might beat them or score against them. Not much credit is given to other good teams the Leafs play.

Newflash. The Leafs will lose games this season. And every year going forward.
- walshyleafsfan

Sportsnet's only concern is offersheets.

The point is, we need to finish ahead of teams we have much better depth than for any of this to make sense.

Eichels' TOI is the same as last year. Buffalo didn't even give him more.
- RogerRoeper

We will do. Calm down. There's 82 games in this season. Leafs were always going to finish 2nd or 3rd in the division. That's where they are at in their rebuild. They're very much on track. 1 point behind the much lauded Sabres with a game in hand on them

which website did you use for this query?

I don't follow the analytics side of the game too much.
- dmnted

NHL.com, stats, sort by TOI, filter all forwards

It's Leafs fans (not all). If they're not comparing about something, they're not doing their job.

The Sportsnet crew and some Leafs fans get offended that the other team might beat them or score against them. Not much credit is given to other good teams the Leafs play.

Newflash. The Leafs will lose games this season. And every year going forward.
- walshyleafsfan

We will do. Calm down. There's 82 games in this season. Leafs were always going to finish 2nd or 3rd in the division. That's where they are at in their rebuild. They're very much on track. 1 point behind the much lauded Sabres with a game in hand on them
- walshyleafsfan

So let's make this clear, the idea of rolling 4 lines is to keep players fresh, right? So I take it you expect them to play more in the playoffs?

That did not happen last June. Boston's best players played 15%+ more than ours. We lost in the 3rd period of game 7.

And trust me, EVERY contract negotiation will bring this exact argument by the agent. Mitch Marner's dad is texting people about this issue. It is real.

Yet it's affecting the signing of our young players.
- RogerRoeper

When Matthews, Marner and Tavares are all ~1 minute of each other in average TOI no one is going to be complaining about time on the ice. Yea every player wants to play more, but they aren't stupid and understand why they don't get 25 minutes a night. That isn't how you run a team during the full season, especially when you have the depth the leafs have.

Took 30 seconds to do so, apparently too much work for people that want to spew nonsense
- harps43

Well, I mean, what's the point in using facts if you do want to spew nonsense. They just get in the way!

The fact you really thought I was comparing Marner and WEISE...click that logout button on the top right as soon as possible, thanks.
- Glak18

the best way 3 finger salute! alt +f4 is a shortcut to reply to a post

So let's make this clear, the idea of rolling 4 lines is to keep players fresh, right? So I take it you expect them to play more in the playoffs?

That did not happen last June. Boston's best players played 15%+ more than ours. We lost in the 3rd period of game 7.

And trust me, EVERY contract negotiation will bring this exact argument by the agent. Mitch Marner's dad is texting people about this issue. It is real.
- RogerRoeper

Marner has the highest TOI on the team this year for forwards

And last year went from 15:36 per game from October to January 1st to 17:06 from January to the end of the year. Almost 2 minutes more per game after he got out of his early season slump. TOI is not an issue

So let's make this clear, the idea of rolling 4 lines is to keep players fresh, right? So I take it you expect them to play more in the playoffs?

That did not happen last June. Boston's best players played 15%+ more than ours. We lost in the 3rd period of game 7.

And trust me, EVERY contract negotiation will bring this exact argument by the agent. Mitch Marner's dad is texting people about this issue. It is real.
- RogerRoeper

No it isn’t.

NHL.com, stats, sort by TOI, filter all forwards
- harps43

thanks

So let's make this clear, the idea of rolling 4 lines is to keep players fresh, right? So I take it you expect them to play more in the playoffs?

That did not happen last June. Boston's best players played 15%+ more than ours. We lost in the 3rd period of game 7.

And trust me, EVERY contract negotiation will bring this exact argument by the agent. Mitch Marner's dad is texting people about this issue. It is real.
- RogerRoeper

The Bruins finished ahead of the Leafs last year. And their top heavy stacked lineup had to rely on an epic meltdown to get passed the Leafs in 7 games in a series they were the heavy favourites. Only to then get steamrolled by a more balanced lineup that didn't just put out 1 line. If stacking your lineup would work the Panthers would've made the dance on recent years. Solely playing Barkov, Huberdeau, Dadonov, Trochek and Bjugstad has gotten them nowhere. They're looking at a top 5 pick again this year.

No it isn’t.
- Dongull_Trump

So agents won't bring up their players low TOI next to their peers? I bet it happened with Nylander.

Well, I mean, what's the point in using facts if you do want to spew nonsense. They just get in the way!
- Thecakeisalie

Well late night early morning conversation have been like that recently

The fact you really thought I was comparing Marner and WEISE...click that logout button on the top right as soon as possible, thanks.
- Glak18

No bud!! Your comment on dale Weise has nothing to do with what we r talking about! Did you ever get beat up at bus stop as a kid growing up? Don’t take your frustration out on me.

The Bruins finished ahead of the Leafs last year. And their top heavy stacked lineup had to rely on an epic meltdown to get passed the Leafs in 7 games in a series they were the heavy favourites. Only to then get steamrolled by a more balanced lineup that didn't just put out 1 line. If stacking your lineup would work the Panthers would've made the dance on recent years. Solely playing Barkov, Huberdeau, Dadonov, Trochek and Bjugstad has gotten them nowhere. They're looking at a top 5 pick again this year.
- walshyleafsfan

You've just gave a big reason why our best players need to play more. We are giving Boston a massive advantage by not playing our best players as much.

thanks
- dmnted

Marner has the highest TOI on the team this year for forwards
- harps43

Of course his Dad is going to want more ice time for him. He's not gonna say," Yeah, i think Mitch is doing well, but he could use a few less minutes per game. I'd like to see him down round 15."

Marner has the highest TOI on the team this year for forwards

And last year went from 15:36 per game from October to January 1st to 17:06 from January to the end of the year. Almost 2 minutes more per game after he got out of his early season slump. TOI is not an issue
- harps43

Doesn't mean much on this team. He's below all but 1 guy in the scoring standings.

Of course his Dad is going to want more ice time for him. He's not gonna say," Yeah, i think Mitch is doing well, but he could use a few less minutes per game. I'd like to see him down round 15."
- walshyleafsfan

Mitch got 61 and 69 points in his first 2 seasons while still not having a full season as a top 6 forward.

You've just gave a big reason why our best players need to play more. We are giving Boston a massive advantage by not playing our best players as much.
- RogerRoeper

So who do you play more? Marner? Then Matthews wants more ice. Play Matthews? Tavares wants more. What about Kadri? Back to back 30 goal seasons, you can't play Matthews and Tavares 26 minutes a night and have Kadri get involved and play like he can getting 10 minutes a night.

And Kapanen and Nylander and Hyman and Marleau and Johnsson