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Forums :: Blog World :: James Tanner: Galchenyuk returns + Domie vs Galchenyuk, round 1
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Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Dec 18 @ 3:38 PM ET
Nice troll job JT
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Dec 18 @ 3:58 PM ET
After 40 minutes of play, score is

James Tanner 0
Atomic Wedgie 292

We'll be right back after these messages

- Not_Yan

Now he’ll watch the highlights and look up the CF% to deem who really won.
Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

Dec 18 @ 4:08 PM ET
After 40 minutes of play, score is

James Tanner 0
Atomic Wedgie 292

We'll be right back after these messages

- Not_Yan


Advanced stats say Tanner's zone entry and shot supression is superior to that of Wedgie. That's not taking into account Wedgie's shooting percentage isn't sustainable.

I'm sorry but the math doesn't lie.
WaterBoy
Location: Gardez-le votre ANGLAIS, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Dec 18 @ 7:12 PM ET
After 40 minutes of play, score is

James Tanner 0
Atomic Wedgie 292

We'll be right back after these messages

- Not_Yan

WaterBoy
Location: Gardez-le votre ANGLAIS, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Dec 18 @ 7:14 PM ET
So Sean Monahan is a better shooter than Connor McDavid, and TJ Oshie is the third best shooter in the NHL?

Obviously some players have higher percentages than others, but shooting percentage is a luck based stats. You guys almost never seem to understand that statistics are all about probability, not 100% accurate predictions.

And the point I was making about Beagle vs Ovechkin was that what makes Ovechkin so good is not necessarily his shot, but his ability to get shots off.

If you look at all the best goal scorers, they are volume shooters. Beagle = if you knew him in real life = would have the best shot you'd ever seen. If they were in disguise in practice, you'd have a hard time identifying who was who - because they both have good shots. What separates Ovechkin is the ability to get 300 of them off in the NHL during game situations.

- James_Tanner

It's actually the results of how many pucks actually went in net compared to how many shots were taken.

Not sure where luck factors in...
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Dec 19 @ 2:42 PM ET
Shooting percentage does rely heavily on luck, but it's not entirely (or even mostly) luck-based.

A player like Ovechkin, that has a world-class shot, has a higher baseline shooting percentage than an average player. His career shooting percentage hovers right around 12.5%. During a "good luck" year, he'll have a shooting percentage near 15%. During a "bad luck" year, he'll have a shooting percentage near 10%.

Evander Kane is another player known for shot volume. Since the 2010-11 season, he is 5th in the league in shots taken by a forward. His baseline shooting percentage is 9%. During a "good luck" year, he gets close to 11%, during a "bad luck" year, he is right around 7.5%.

So yes, sometimes players get lucky, and sometimes they get unlucky. However, it's bonkers to think that shot quality doesn't matter at all and that the baseline is the same for all players. If Kane started shooting at 11% constantly, he'd be an All-Star and be talked about among the league's elite players. If Ovechkin started shooting at 11% constantly, people would be wondering what was wrong with him.

For the record, Jay Beagle's career baseline appears to be around 9.5%. Better than the league average over the last decade, but not Ovechkinesque.

https://www.hockey-refere...ce.com/leagues/stats.html

Shooting percentage is inverse save percentage. In the 8th percentile over the last decade, but up to 9.3% so far this season.
Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Dec 19 @ 3:02 PM ET
https://www.lapresse.ca/s...e-jour-de-la-marmotte.php

Funny, La presse seems to Think MTL won the trade

Takemedrunkimhome
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 03.08.2018

Dec 20 @ 12:05 PM ET
https://www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey/201812/19/01-5208609-alex-galchenyuk-dans-le-jour-de-la-marmotte.php

Funny, La presse seems to Think MTL won the trade

- Xizord

Engels has an article today saying that Sportsnet is ready to call it a TKO too
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