You jinxed us, Spud.
- I Am The Breadman

I take the full blame everyone! I am awarding myself a 2 minute minor.

To quote Slap Shot "You go to da box for 2 minutes, ya know, by yourself...you feel shame...and then you get free."

As a vet I find it highly offensive whenever the current commander in chief says “no one does more the the military or veterans than I do.” The man only cares about anything that can further his own cause. If it was politically expedient to oppose the military and veterans, he would be on that side of the argument. And this commentary is coming from someone who has pretty much been a life-long republican.
- Spec41971

Actually he has done a lot more than any other president in history for the military. He was the only President in us history to get
passed the veterans choice. What politician or President hasn't done anything to further their own cause? Please stop with the politics and take your never Trump Republican self and get over it.

I take the full blame everyone! I am awarding myself a 2 minute minor.

To quote Slap Shot "You go to da box for 2 minutes, ya know, by yourself...you feel shame...and then you get free."
- spudrock512

Hahahaha!!

Actually he has done a lot more than any other president in history for the military. He was the only President in us history to get
passed the veterans choice. What politician or President hasn't done anything to further their own cause? Please stop with the politics and take your never Trump Republican self and get over it.
- Taylorst1

Why don't you stop with the politics, A-hole.

Oh wait it's the liberal speech police crying again. If you don't like what I or anyone has to say you can simply move on. This is America and we have the freedom of speech you dweeb.
- Taylorst1

As an erudite member of the Hockeybuzz community, I assume you understand that 'freedom of speech' refers to the government's ability to limit speech that is in protest of the government and/or it's policies?

Association, businesses, or communities like Hockeybuzz, can, and do, exercise restriction of the speech of their members.

Back to hockey...

NSH on the 2nd of a back to back tonight. Rinni started last night, but pulled after 1 period. He will probably start tonight. 4-3 Predators.

Also Hawks play back to back Thursday and Friday, at Dallas and at Colorado. Should see Delia in one of those games.

Totally agree. Madness, absolute madness. The problem is our back end, not friggin line combinations.
- kwolf68

The line combinations are a huge problem. Aside from 3-4 of the forwards, the rest are terrible defensively.

In fact, was Q, himself, a wildly successful player? I think those who have to think more about what they are doing and actually learn how step-by-step become better coaches. I think you'd find someone like Kane unable to really break down how he does what he does in order for another player to learn it.
- pdx2ord

He played 803 NHL games over 13 seasons, between 1978-1991. Was on some pretty weak teams (TOR, COL Rockies, NJ, HTFD, WASH). Those teams only made the playoffs 5 years, 4 were Hartford. -85 for his career, although, again, on some non-playoff teams.

hockey-reference.com lists Q's player comps as: Hall Gill, Brad Marsh, Steve Konroyd, etc.

It's a high skilled profile job that requires , education , learning and earning incremental promotions based on experience and accomplishments. Your not talking about being hired as a janitor or someone who can shovel poop for a living.


If you can't understand the analogy or example then don't chime in with your 2 cents.
- Taylorst1

I can understand the analogy. However, just because I can understand your analogy, doesn’t mean it’s good, kind of true or remotely accurate.

By your metric, Matt Nagy would have needed to be an All-Pro NFL QB instead of merely an Arena League QB in order to have any modicum of NFL head coaching success. Albeit different sports but seems he’s proving your iron clad theory has more than just a bit of rust.

hockey-reference.com lists Q's player comps as: Hall Gill, Brad Marsh, Steve Konroyd, etc.
- scottak

Cool, we will see Q sitting next to Foley soon?

Just because you disagree with someone's trade proposal , doesn't make them that far fetched. Since everyone here has seen some real dooseys that leave people scratching their heads.


Also on your assessment of Jerry Brown and california.

All you need to know about California's standard of living is the cesspool of needles , dedication and urine and the overwhelmingly streets riddled with homeless people. The over taxing and overspending on us less projects and ideas. Like the train to nowhere ? Healthcare for all including illegal immigrants and the projected cost is 300 billion more than the state's entire budget. But hey he is doing a awesome job.
- Taylorst1

Maybe if you stopped watching Fox news you'd learn how to spell useless.

Nice recitation of Right Wing talking points. How is that Seabrook for Patterson trade coming along? Or better yet Saad for Laine.

Cool, we will see Q sitting next to Foley soon?
- powerenforcer

now that would be FUN!!!!

The president of the organization should be hockey minded as someone who can give his opinion and assist with GM, scouting, hockey operations, ect. Their are things called marketing, finance, HR, etc. departments run by business minded people. Marketing is quite important in non hockey minded cities. McD is not a marketing genius, he stepped in to a perfect situation with a core of players that were going to win multiple Stanley cups. Winning is the best marketing which in lies with hockey guys doing their jobs
- WiscoReg

Not denying McDonough stepped into a great situation but where is this guarantee the Hawks were winning one Cup, let alone 3.

In 2009, If I would have asked you which team would be the first to three Cups. I’d have said the Penguins and I bet 99.5% of this board would have said the same...except for Olduffman of course and maybe Simplejack before he became a Sith Lord.

If Nostradamus told you the Hawks is the correct answer you’d have wet yourself.

Really not sure the point of trading Seabrook for Lucic. Can someone enlighten me as to how this helps the team short and/or long term? Really, neither provide any real usefulness anymore, both are slow, both have albatross contracts.
- kwolf68

And why disrupt the already tattered locker room morale any further, given that?

I wouldn't have separated him and DeBrincat either. Thought they were playing well.
- Justin Lowe

Wonder if it is a matter of “at least for now, we have to find a place to put AA?” Kane has to be unthrilled with this move.

And why disrupt the already tattered locker room morale any further, given that?
- pdx2ord

I get this line of thinking, but I'm in the camp that you just rip off the Band-Aid. Seabrook is likely not going to be a significant part of this team being competitive again. If you can move his salary and get a pick in return, I think you do it in a heartbeat.

Now, I would not add a sweetener to get it done (we've already made that mistake too many times). I also would not dump his contract for another bad one. Unless it is only for another year or two.

Wonder if it is a matter of “at least for now, we have to find a place to put AA?” Kane has to be unthrilled with this move.
- pdx2ord

I'm not so sure. Strome seems to really be able to find dangerous areas and has a pretty good release. I would like to see Colliton stick with ADB, Kane and Strome for pretty much the rest of the year, but I get the issues of having extra players coming off of injury and having to play them.

Looking much further ahead, I would like the staff to establish lines early in camp and run with them.

Not denying McDonough stepped into a great situation but where is this guarantee the Hawks were winning one Cup, let alone 3.

In 2009, If I would have asked you which team would be the first to three Cups. I’d have said the Penguins and I bet 99.5% of this board would have said the same...except for Olduffman of course and maybe Simplejack before he became a Sith Lord.

If Nostradamus told you the Hawks is the correct answer you’d have wet yourself.
- HawkintheD

The problem with too many people is that they refuse to give others credit for the positive contributions they make to the success of an organization - while concentrating on the negatives that surely are there.

People like Stan, Q, McD etc. ALL had a hand in - made positives contributions to - the on-ice and off-ice success of the Chicago Blackhawks over the past 10 seasons.

Criticize them for their faults and failures all you wish - justified - perhaps some have outlived their usefulness and are not what is needed going forward - justified - but stop showing your ignorance of how businesses and organizations operate by ignoring their accomplishments and the necessity of their specific functions.

Cool, we will see Q sitting next to Foley soon?
- powerenforcer

He'd be fired very early on.

Wonder if it is a matter of “at least for now, we have to find a place to put AA?” Kane has to be unthrilled with this move.
- pdx2ord

Probably a matter of "we've lost 12 of 14, have trouble scoring, have trouble stopping the opposition from scoring - let's try something different".

Playing career has nothing to do with coaching/GM. See: Gretzky, Wayne or Jordan, Michael.

Coaching is coaching. It helps if they played at all, more so if they played in higher levels, but it doesn't matter how good they were.

A coaching career, though, does ... in that, if you don't have one prior to being appointed as an NHL coach then it can have an impact on how one performs as an NHL coach. The Hawks have a lot of examples of this too. It probably goes back further than this, but see Magnusson, Suhonen (or however it was spelled), Graham... Savard was probably the most successful of them but he was an assistant coach before...

Personally I think if they were to move McD on they'd consider Chelios.

A lot. Jaque Lemaire won a bunch as a player and then in the 90s.

NBA, Jerry Sloan, Bill Russell, Phil Jackson. Steve Kerr won a lot and played key roles. Doc Rivers.

Soccer, Zidane, Cryff, Ancelotti, Kenny Dalglish, Franz Beckenbauer

Ditka lol

Less common now I think cause you don't need to coach after cause the money made now is a lot more. Its more an ego thing or just really like the sport.
- fattybeef

Most of that was before my time, which is why I don't remember them... and I don't know anything about soccer...

I only could think of Ditka!! I forgot Phil Jackson was even a player, was he a star though?

I'm not so sure. Strome seems to really be able to find dangerous areas and has a pretty good release. I would like to see Colliton stick with ADB, Kane and Strome for pretty much the rest of the year, but I get the issues of having extra players coming off of injury and having to play them.

Looking much further ahead, I would like the staff to establish lines early in camp and run with them.
- Chunk

Amen to all of this.

An article that's a month old, but it tells the story
of why we are where we are as a terrible hockey
team.......discloser it mentions Stan quite a bit

This article makes Chia look great!

https://www.barstoolsport...performance-review-blog-2