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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:27 PM ET
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#Flyers lines vs. Vancouver
Simmonds - Couturier - Voracek
Giroux - Patrick - Raffl
JVR - Weal - Konecny
Laughton - Lehtera - Weise

Same D pairings
Stolarz in net

- FlyerFan16


Apparently Hakstol has given up.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 15 @ 9:27 PM ET
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#Flyers lines vs. Vancouver
Simmonds - Couturier - Voracek
Giroux - Patrick - Raffl
JVR - Weal - Konecny
Laughton - Lehtera - Weise

Same D pairings
Stolarz in net

- FlyerFan16

Omg
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:27 PM ET
I feel like Hakstol was brought here to kill the Flyers from the inside. Still praying he’s a bubble agent.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 15 @ 9:28 PM ET
I don't mind trying to get Patrick going by putting him with Giroux. The rest of it
- FlyerFan16

He's grasping at straws at this point. They need a win and these lines have not been game tested at all. Bold move Hak. Bold move.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:28 PM ET
Apparently Hakstol has given up.
- BiggE

Why JvR wasn’t made number one center months ago is beyond me.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:29 PM ET
Omg
- Giroux_Is_God

I feel bad for Laughton. Simmonds too, the guy is struggling already so yeah, put him in his off side, that will do him wonders.

Also, a line of JVR-Weal-Konecny may be the worst defensive line in the NHL.
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Dec 15 @ 9:30 PM ET
He's grasping at straws at this point. They need a win and these lines have not been game tested at all. Bold move Hak. Bold move.
- hereticpride

He knows his time is up.
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:30 PM ET
I feel bad for Laughton. Simmonds too, the guy is struggling already so yeah, put him in his off side, that will do him wonders.

Also, a line of JVR-Weal-Konecny may be the worst defensive line in the NHL.

- BiggE


All proof Hak is in over his head. Please Q, come to Philly!!!!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:31 PM ET
He knows his time is up.
- FlyerFan16

Looking at those lines makes me think Fletcher needs to fire him before the start of the game.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Dec 15 @ 9:31 PM ET
This team is going to give me liver failure
- BiggE



Thinking you are taking care of that...
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 15 @ 9:31 PM ET
Those are the lines?

Bahahahahaha.

He’s doing my work for me.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:32 PM ET
Thinking you are taking care of that...
- wcorvette


My liver needs to understand just who is in charge around here.

edit: besides to paraphrase Dennis Leary, the 10 years of life that excessive drinking are gonna cost me are the 10 sh!ttiest ones anyway.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 15 @ 9:32 PM ET
Apparently Hakstol has given up.
- BiggE


Desperation for sure but what is there to lose! Has to do something.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 15 @ 9:33 PM ET
He's grasping at straws at this point. They need a win and these lines have not been game tested at all. Bold move Hak. Bold move.
- hereticpride



At this point...why not ?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 15 @ 9:33 PM ET
I'm seriously dumbfounded at putting Simmonds at 1LW. His off side (which I don't think he's even played in a good 2 years at least) and he's on pace for 38 freaking points this season.
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Dec 15 @ 9:36 PM ET
He's grasping at straws at this point. They need a win and these lines have not been game tested at all. Bold move Hak. Bold move.
- hereticpride

Can't you see this is the last act of a desperate man?
We don't care if it is the first act of Henry the 5th...

hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 15 @ 9:37 PM ET
Can't you see this is the last act of a desperate man?
We don't care if it is the first act of Henry the 5th...

- konalover711

fair enough
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 15 @ 9:38 PM ET
Can't you see this is the last act of a desperate man?
We don't care if it is the first act of Henry the 5th...

- konalover711

Now wait just one dawgonne minute here!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:41 PM ET
I'm seriously dumbfounded at putting Simmonds at 1LW. His off side (which I don't think he's even played in a good 2 years at least) and he's on pace for 38 freaking points this season.
- hereticpride


The sad thing is that he has lines that have succeeded in the past that he hasn’t even bothered to try.

Why not try
TK-Coots-Jake

That line played well together. If I wanted to shake up the lineup, I’d be going with:

TK-Coots-Jake
Patrick-G-Raffl
Lindblom-Varone-Simmonds
Weal-Laughton-Weise

JVR was invisible last night, he’d be the guy joining Lehtera in the Cote suite

On D, I’d totally shake sh!t up and go with:

Provorov-Gudas
Sanheim-Hagg
AMac-Folin

Yup, Ghost would get a night off too. (frank) it, nothing left to lose any (frank)ing way.
Dkos
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Dec 15 @ 9:41 PM ET
John Boruk

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#Flyers lines vs. Vancouver
Simmonds - Couturier - Voracek
Giroux - Patrick - Raffl
JVR - Weal - Konecny
Laughton - Lehtera - Weise

Same D pairings
Stolarz in net

- FlyerFan16


Ha ha ha. This is the lineup that’s going to turn things around!
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 15 @ 9:42 PM ET
Ha ha ha. This is the lineup that’s going to turn things around!
- Dkos

If he wins with this lineup it's going to buy him another two weeks
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Dec 15 @ 9:42 PM ET
Ha ha ha. This is the lineup that’s going to turn things around!
- Dkos



The bad news, if they win they will use the same line up next game
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 15 @ 9:42 PM ET
Pens win in OT.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:42 PM ET
Welp, we’re now 8 points out.


yay
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 15 @ 9:43 PM ET
If you're going to be a proponent of stats, the first thing someone needs to learn is to know that not all players play in the same situations. If Sanheim played in the same situations that MacDonald plays in, Sanheim would struggle at this point in his career. For example even though MacDonald has played in 15 less games than Sanheim, MacDonald has one less defensive zone start that Sanheim. 42 to 43. Sanheim's offensive zone start percentage is 59.81% to MacDonald's 37.31%. Sanheim is sheltered as a player. We don't need stats to know that MacDonald has had a subpar and inconsistent season to this point. We also have to take into account the team's struggles both in D zone coverage and goaltending issues into it.

This is pretty common with a lot of fans who like to use analytics and make incomplete and faulty analysis using them.

- MJL

Aren’t the majority of shifts on the fly doe?
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