That core is what’s lead this team to any measure of success it has had ever since Holmgren.

Carried the dead weight, and inept coaching. All star play by Giroux and some others.

They do have faults, but the talented stars on this team are the last of its issues imo.

Maybe Voracek is tired of seeing morons thrown out year after year that do nothing to help win them games most nights. Or tired of the mediocre and injury prone goaltending.
- flyer_nutter

What success has it really had since 2010? Two playoff round wins? One in 2011, one in 2012, none since. At this point, Hak should be fired but the players, especially the core, need to figure out why they've been so inconsistent every year. Hell, even in 2010, they were a SOL away from missing the playoffs. Last year, they started off much like they did this year and then came on down the stretch, even while battling goalie injuries. This team should be better.

I don't know what will fix it but it doesn't appear it will fix itself.

Nahh. There are only a few. Ideally a more healthy bridge to Hart, and dumping off Simmonds for futures.

Then the big one.

You’re just deflecting off of the main issue. This team for better or worse has quit on its HC long ago.
- flyer_nutter

There is no deflecting being done.

This team is completely lost. They need to get rid of the coach and most of his staff ASAP. Everyone has regressed, everyone looks lost and there is no effort. They also need to make some moves to shake things up.
First thing i would do is approach carolina...they are looking for a sniper and we just signed JVR who scored 36 goals last season. Send him to carolina for pesche. He is a RHD that we could pair with provorov.
Second, approach St. Louis and see if they would be interested in trading Parayko for Ghost. Ghost is a shell of his former self and his effort level has been terrible lately. That would give us a second pair of Sanheim and Parayko.
Third, trade Simmonds for whatever we can get. The penalties he has taken lately have been brutal and he isnt producing on the PP. Try to see if we can get a 3rd line center for him...add a pick if we need to.
As far as a goalie, stick with stolarz and elliott if he is going to be back soon...unless there is a reasonable optionoption out there in a trade, which it doesnt look like there is.

Then why doesn't Voracek lead the way and show leadership to the rest of the players and improve his game in the areas where he is lacking. Make more of an effort on the back check and become better in coverage. Losers sit back and blame others. While Voracek is certainly one of the best players on the team, he does not have immunity from the blame. How credible is a players words when he has the issues away from the puck that he has?
- MJL

Remember how the Ottawa players complained about how they were being coached?

These players are doing what the coach wants them to do.
Nhl players don’t get to the nhl by ignoring what the coach tells them to do.
The reason that we are bad is because what the coach wants the players to do is something that is obvious to figure out and easy to defend and counterattack.

Ah yes. The ever popular trade ghost mantra

Which one is next?!

"Jake needs to try harder"?
"Giroux needs to shoot"?
"Hagg has been solid"?

What excitement!

He’s not without blame himself.

I’m not even wasting my time. The majority of the fanbase will get what’s needed, and wanted to take the first step.

Or ticket sales and viewership can continue to fall.
- flyer_nutter

EDIT, He (Jake) might thrive with new scenery and maybe a mentor role and a playoff run make him get a second wind to end his career.

Another thing that is a legitimate concern is literally putting ALL OF YOU MARBLES in on Hart with no real backup/stopgap.

That is unfair to him, the team, an fans.

That was the disgrace that Hexy will have on his legacy. Hart will have enough pressure, not everyone is Ken Dryden or Patrick Roy.

He might thrive with new scenery and maybe a mentor role and a playoff run make him get a second wind to end his career.

Another thing that is a legitimate concern is literally putting ALL OF YOU MARBLES in on Hart with no real backup/stopgap.

That is unfair to him, the team, an fans.

That was the disgrace that Hexy will have on his legacy. Hart will have enough pressure, not everyone is Ken Dryden or Patrick Roy.
- DrMidnite

Implying Stolarz or Lyon aren't capable backups
Implying backups aren't a dime a dozen in FA

Ah wait, I see what you're saying. Sandstrom and Ustimenko are both promising prospects fwiw

You stated players that aren't that skilled.

- MJL

Which is the same thing.... If Ghost had to defend vs Giroux or Patrick what would be easier for him? Clearly patrick because he is less skilled than Giroux.

Remember how the Ottawa players complained about how they were being coached?

These players are doing what the coach wants them to do.
Nhl players don’t get to the nhl by ignoring what the coach tells them to do.
The reason that we are bad is because what the coach wants the players to do is something that is obvious to figure out and easy to defend and counterattack.
- Shrike

How do you figure? Do you see the interviews Hak does? The players are not doing what he wants because he basically says it. He calls out the bad plays, not the player directly but we know who he's talking about

Nahh. There are only a few. Ideally a more healthy bridge to Hart, and dumping off Simmonds for futures.

Then the big one.

You’re just deflecting off of the main issue. This team for better or worse has quit on its HC long ago.
- flyer_nutter

How can you bridge to Hart when you dont know how long the bridge needs to be. Hart could be as much as 5 years away. Even when he gets here there is no guarantee he wont pull a Ghost as well.

EDIT, He (Jake) might thrive with new scenery and maybe a mentor role and a playoff run make him get a second wind to end his career.

Another thing that is a legitimate concern is literally putting ALL OF YOU MARBLES in on Hart with no real backup/stopgap.

That is unfair to him, the team, an fans.

That was the disgrace that Hexy will have on his legacy. Hart will have enough pressure, not everyone is Ken Dryden or Patrick Roy.
- DrMidnite

Sure, it all remains to be seen and we won't know for a few years but Hextall drafted many other goalies besides Hart. I don't believe he put all his eggs in one basket.

This team is completely lost. They need to get rid of the coach and most of his staff ASAP. Everyone has regressed, everyone looks lost and there is no effort. They also need to make some moves to shake things up.
First thing i would do is approach carolina...they are looking for a sniper and we just signed JVR who scored 36 goals last season. Send him to carolina for pesche. He is a RHD that we could pair with provorov.
Second, approach St. Louis and see if they would be interested in trading Parayko for Ghost. Ghost is a shell of his former self and his effort level has been terrible lately. That would give us a second pair of Sanheim and Parayko.
Third, trade Simmonds for whatever we can get. The penalties he has taken lately have been brutal and he isnt producing on the PP. Try to see if we can get a 3rd line center for him...add a pick if we need to.
As far as a goalie, stick with stolarz and elliott if he is going to be back soon...unless there is a reasonable optionoption out there in a trade, which it doesnt look like there is.
- Bwalks22

So blow it all up and bring in all new faces? That should fix everything? That’s not a plan.

Trading Simmonds because he’s doing nothing on PP when he was put on the second unit and the PP isn’t clicking anyway isn’t a reason to trade him. Him taking penalties “lately” isn’t the reason to trade him, although the one last night out of frustration, which shows he’s one of a few with a pulse. Most importantly, you don’t just trade a player for just anything.

If some of you want to trade Simmonds, fine. Just don’t do it just to do it. I’m sick of hearing that. It’s a dumb comment.

How can you bridge to Hart when you dont know how long the bridge needs to be. Hart could be as much as 5 years away. Even when he gets here there is no guarantee he wont pull a Ghost as well.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

A disappointing quarter of the season? Provorov has been the bigger disappointment for me this year.

I believe both will be fine and we'll look back on it as young defensemen going through rough patches.

Which is the same thing.... If Ghost had to defend vs Giroux or Patrick what would be easier for him? Clearly patrick because he is less skilled than Giroux.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Not the same thing. Don't kid yourself. Some are obviously more skilled than others but every player who makes it to the NHL is highly skilled.

I have a question for the guys trying to move Simmonds. What kind of package do you think you could get for Simmonds who isn’t doing much?

In my opinion, the Flyers are hurting Simmonds. Do you guys really expect Simmonds to play well when he’s stuck with Jordan Weal, Scott Laughton, Oskar Lindblom and the inexperience of Nolan Patrick? You’re all expecting Simmonds to succeed with these players because this is never going to happen. Simmonds has only been seeing sometime with a Sean Couturier or a Jake Voracek lately.

Even James Van Riemsdyk isn’t gonna succeed with the bottom 6 players I mentioned. Simmonds and JvR are scorers. They are only going to succeed with playmakers but for the first two months of the season, the playmakers are seeing most time with each other.

Not the same thing. Don't kid yourself. Some are obviously more skilled than others but every player who makes it to the NHL is highly skilled.
- MJL

My God, enough with the obvious already. Of course everyone who makes it to the NHL is skilled. However when compared only to other NHL players, some are more skilled than others.

Duh!

My God, enough with the obvious already. Of course everyone who makes it to the NHL is skilled. However when compared only to other NHL players, some are more skilled than others.

Duh!
- BiggE

Just let it go. You know he could go on with this all day.

How do you figure? Do you see the interviews Hak does? The players are not doing what he wants because he basically says it. He calls out the bad plays, not the player directly but we know who he's talking about
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Because it’s been the same thing for 3 years. Get puck in deep and forecheck one guy against three. If that one guy gets lucky and get the puck, pass to point man who has two guys collapsing on him from his only passing option directions (wrap behind net and d to d pass) so he opts put a weak shot on net so he doesn’t give up a breakaway.

And if you see someone carry the puck into the zone like jake, why do you think they always just skate in a giant circle, because the system doesn’t have options for those situations like having someone in the slot to receive a pass.

Just let it go. You know he could go on with this all day.
- BenderRodriguez

Yup, I should know better. My bad.

My God, enough with the obvious already. Of course everyone who makes it to the NHL is skilled. However when compared only to other NHL players, some are more skilled than others.

Duh!
- BiggE

There's a new thread. That's where everyone is. Oh and you're wrong. Duh!

Because it’s been the same thing for 3 years. Get puck in deep and forecheck one guy against three. If that one guy gets lucky and get the puck, pass to point man who has two guys collapsing on him from his only passing option directions (wrap behind net and d to d pass) so he opts put a weak shot on net so he doesn’t give up a breakaway.

And if you see someone carry the puck into the zone like jake, why do you think they always just skate in a giant circle, because the system doesn’t have options for those situations like having someone in the slot to receive a pass.
- Shrike

wut? Flyers are a team that carries it accross the blue line most the time. Part of the problem is that they arent dumping and chasing. Their best moments have been when they have done that. They chip it in and beat the Dman in or force him to turn it over. Dump and chase exists because NHL teams outside the flyers, dont let players just walk in with the puck.

wut? Flyers are a team that carries it accross the blue line most the time. Part of the problem is that they arent dumping and chasing. Their best moments have been when they have done that. They chip it in and beat the Dman in or force him to turn it over. Dump and chase exists because NHL teams outside the flyers, dont let players just walk in with the puck.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yup, they continually turn the puck over and force plays that aren't there. Puck management is a huge issue with this team.

Hextall firing did slightly improve the team but right now their problem is more fundamentals at this point. They are making beer league plays

They do get the pressure, they do get the cycle going and they even cause turnovers in the offensive zone but 9 times out of 10 they turn the puck over in the offensive zone and they dont generate a scoring chance. They will try to force a pass in the slot that isnt there, try to be too fancy, make that extra pass in a grade A scoring area, throw the puck away blindly or just try to do too much on their own.

The above doesnt just happen at EVSTR. It is a huge reason for the PP poor success rate. Plus there are turnovers gaining the zone as well

Defensively I think you got to reduce Ghost's minutes. He is getting beat in battles and turning the puck over. I cringe most the time he tries to make a pass. It also doesnt help that AMac is back to his poopty self. He played great last season. The goals against us are simple poor coverages and people being out of position. A lot of the time when pressure is on us I feel like teams are skating circles around us and our players are lost in the D zone.

The PK has improved tremendously. Yes it is last in the league currently but they were at 67-68% and they have jumped to 73%. It doesnt seem like much but they allowed so many PP goals to start that it gonna take a bit to improve it further. They have killed 73 of 100 PPs. I think they have only let in 2 PPG in their last 20 times shorthanded.

Goaltending has improved as well with Stolarz
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

That pretty much sums it up. They try to setup perfect shots rather than just throwing the puck on net with traffic. Problem is they also don't get traffic in front consistently enough to get to rebounds.

Every successful team I've seen throws pucks on net from everywhere. That includes teams with more skilled players than the Flyers.