I remember I think it was briere who said some the most skilled players in the world never make the NHL. Because they arent able to carve out their niche at the NHL level. I think about our team and think about all our players and I look at role clarity. I think we need to plug guys into roles that suit them and let them excel. And if we cant do that yet especially with young guys that needs to be our gm job to fix which I'm sure hes trying to
- Tfaehner

I'm not so sure it's about roles. Some players have been put in roles due to necessity and that's certainly part of it. This team has no passion. They make the same repeatable mistakes over and over and it's far from the kids. It's from the veterans. On and on and on. Better goaltending would certainly lessen the damage done but that's not the right way to play. They just don't appear to be willing to adjust and change under this coach. That leaves two options. Change the players or change the coach.

No such thing as players that aren't that skilled in the NHL. Have to let him play through it. It was a lack of will that caused him to lose that battle with McDavid. That's the best way for him to learn lessons that he will use for the rest of his career.
- MJL

If you read my comment I said less skilled. 3rd line and 4th line players are not as skilled as top line players.....

If you read my comment I said less skilled. 3rd line and 4th line players are not as skilled as top line players.....
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You stated players that aren't that skilled.

I'm not so sure it's about roles. Some players have been put in roles due to necessity and that's certainly part of it. This team has no passion. They make the same repeatable mistakes over and over and it's far from the kids. It's from the veterans. On and on and on. Better goaltending wouldn't certainly lessen the damage done but that's not the right way to play. They just don't appear to be willing to adjust and change under this coach. That leaves two options. Change the players or change the coach.
- MJL

Only 9 players remain on this years 23 man roster that were on the 2015-2016 roster which was Hakstol’s first year.

They have changed the players.

That leaves one option

I'm not so sure it's about roles. Some players have been put in roles due to necessity and that's certainly part of it. This team has no passion. They make the same repeatable mistakes over and over and it's far from the kids. It's from the veterans. On and on and on. Better goaltending wouldn't certainly lessen the damage done but that's not the right way to play. They just don't appear to be willing to adjust and change under this coach. That leaves two options. Change the players or change the coach.
- MJL

He’s a lame duck coach. I don’t care about the spin holmer put on hak he’s a placeholder. Shouldn’t be surprised about the inconsistency and chaos on the ice when it’s been pervasive throughout the entire franchise

Only 9 players remain on this years 23 man roster that were on the 2015-2016 roster which was Hakstol’s first year.

They have changed the players.

That leaves one option
- Shrike

How much of the core has changed?

How much of the core has changed?
- FlyerFan16

I guess because some players were changed in the past that means the option of changing players now is no longer available.

How much of the core has changed?
- FlyerFan16

The core that took us to the playoffs before hakstol? Not much, giroux, voracek, simmonds, ghost, couts, amac, Laughton, raffl, nuevirth

I guess because some players were changed in the past that means the option of changing players now is no longer available.
- MJL

Why shouldn’t the coach be changed?

Can someone explain to me why suggesting we fire hakstol makes people try and find excuses why he isn’t a large part of the problems with the Flyers.

Not firing hak and trading players is like trying to fix the water pumps on a sinking boat before you close the hole in the bottom.

It seems like everything an organization needs for success, the Flyers have. Fletcher has said so himself. It is not true that the Flyers have made no changes under Hakstol, but it is not clear how much, if any, say he has had in acquisitions and draft picks. Players do need to fit the system you deploy, and it is best if they fit in roles that play to their strengths. Communication is key. Whether it is Hak with Fletcher, Quenneville or some other guy, they need to put their heads together and sort this mess out.

It seems like everything an organization needs for success, the Flyers have. Fletcher has said so himself. It is not true that the Flyers have made no changes under Hakstol, but it is not clear how much, if any, say he has had in acquisitions and draft picks. Players do need to fit the system you deploy, and it is best if they fit in roles that play to their strengths. Communication is key. Whether it is Hak with Fletcher, Quenneville or some other guy, they need to put their heads together and sort this mess out.
- NC Flyers Fan

Where is it written that a coach can’t adjust his system to fit the players he has?

Can someone explain to me why suggesting we fire hakstol makes people try and find excuses why he isn’t a large part of the problems with the Flyers.

Not firing hak and trading players is like trying to fix the water pumps on a sinking boat before you close the hole in the bottom.
- Shrike

The whole team needs a major upgrade. Coaching, roster, everything. If people don't see that by now they're delusional.

The whole team needs a major upgrade. Coaching, roster, everything. If people don't see that by now they'll delusional.
- hereticpride

A big part of that is allowing young players to mature. They can't or shouldn't get away from that. There is so much that can be improved internally. They need a mechanism for doing that.

I still dont think keeping hasktol was about giving him a fair shot. I think it was lack of a better option. Nobody wants yeo not even fletcher. Coach q probably isnt rushing back. I think if they could of upgraded they would of but it takes 2 to tango.

Same answer with trades. Every analyst keeps saying prices are sky high atm. Wait for them to come down closer to the deadline. Once people cant get what they want they may come down some in the pricing.

Lastly I dont know who would even help this team. A lot of the options out there arent 2 way forwards and defense has been our issue as well as I will question the leadership group. In a perfect world we would get a top 4 defenseman but price would be at least a first and a prospect for them.
- Tfaehner

Ok so now the "he has no other choice" line is being used on the coach. Nice.

A big part of that is allowing young players to mature. They can't or shouldn't get away from that. There is so much that can be improved internally. They need a mechanism for doing that.
- MJL

Well sure. I'm not trying to say trade everyone for everything. I think they have some young players to build around but they certainly aren't going anywhere with the current mix of players they have now.

How much of the core has changed?
- FlyerFan16

That core is what’s lead this team to any measure of success it has had ever since Holmgren.

Carried the dead weight, and inept coaching. All star play by Giroux and some others.

They do have faults, but the talented stars on this team are the last of its issues imo.

Maybe Voracek is tired of seeing morons thrown out year after year that do nothing to help win them games most nights. Or tired of the mediocre and injury prone goaltending.

Can someone explain to me why suggesting we fire hakstol makes people try and find excuses why he isn’t a large part of the problems with the Flyers.

Not firing hak and trading players is like trying to fix the water pumps on a sinking boat before you close the hole in the bottom.
- Shrike

I didn't say he doesn't need to be fired. I think it's to the point they don't have a real choice and they need to fire him. You referenced player turnover since Hakstol arrived and then referenced making the playoffs before Hakstol. They missed the playoffs 2 of 3 years with 2 different coaches before Hak. My point was that it's not all coaching. The top D has changed but the forward core largely remains in tact. Maybe something needs to change there as well, I don't know.

I've said it a few times. This team is better than it looks this year. This team should be in the mix for a playoff spot.

Ok so now the "he has no other choice" line is being used on the coach. Nice.
- Giroux_Is_God

I am enjoying the scrambling to find any desperate angle to still defend him.

Where is it written that a coach can’t adjust his system to fit the players he has?
- Shrike

You try to do it with the group currently assembled. Player changes need to be made for any coach, any system. This group is mismatched.

I’m not saying you can’t change the system. I’m not saying you can’t change the coach. I’m saying the results will be inconsistent until you change the players. How many? Not sure, my guess 4-7.

That core is what’s lead this team to any measure of success it has had ever since Holmgren.

Carried the dead weight, and inept coaching. All star play by Giroux and some others.

They do have faults, but the talented stars on this team are the last of its issues imo.

Maybe Voracek is tired of seeing morons thrown our year after year that no nothing to help win them games most nights. Or tired of the mediocre and injury prone goaltending.
- flyer_nutter

Then why doesn't Voracek lead the way and show leadership to the rest of the players and improve his game in the areas where he is lacking. Make more of an effort on the back check and become better in coverage. Losers sit back and blame others. While Voracek is certainly one of the best players on the team, he does not have immunity from the blame. How credible is a players words when he has the issues away from the puck that he has?

I didn't say he doesn't need to be fired. I think it's to the point they don't have a real choice and they need to fire him. You referenced player turnover since Hakstol arrived and then referenced making the playoffs before Hakstol. They missed the playoffs 2 of 3 years with 2 different coaches before Hak. My point was that it's not all coaching. The top D has changed but the forward core largely remains in tact. Maybe something needs to change there as well, I don't know.

I've said it a few times. This team is better than it looks this year. This team should be in the mix for a playoff spot.
- FlyerFan16

Absolutely correct.

Then why doesn't Voracek lead the way and show leadership to the rest of the payers and improve his game in the areas where he is lacking. Make more of an effort on the back check and become better in coverage. Losers sit back and blame others. While Voracek is certainly one of the best players on the team, he does not have immunity from the blame. How credible is a players words when he has the issues away from the puck that he has?
- MJL

He’s not without blame himself.

I’m not even wasting my time. The majority of the fanbase will get what’s needed, and wanted to take the first step.

Or ticket sales and viewership can continue to fall.

He’s not without blame himself.

I’m not even wasting my time. The majority of the fanbase will get what’s needed to take the first step.

Or ticket sales and viewership can continue to fall.
- flyer_nutter

There's a lot of things that need to happen.

Life lesson. See something that isn't right, don't female dog about. Do your part to fix it. Any idiot can point out things that aren't right. That person just spouting off is part of the problem, not the solution.

There's a lot of things that need to happen.
- MJL

Nahh. There are only a few. Ideally a more healthy bridge to Hart, and dumping off Simmonds for futures.

Then the big one.

You’re just deflecting off of the main issue. This team for better or worse has quit on its HC long ago.