Sooo. Was it bad?

Sid with the poor coverage, but Geno just curled up there and skated the other direction.
- madmike71

Malkin does that right after getting out of the box for a hooking penalty

Nah. I still believe keeping Murray was the right move, even now. Fleury is dogpoop this year. He regressed back to his former self. While he was awesome last year for Vegas, I think that was a perfect storm and had he stayed in Pittsburgh, I don't believe he would have had the same success last season.
- j.boyd919

Ya, you’re right. Leads the league in wins and shutouts and has a 2.49 and .909

Blackhawks had to win sometime. They were playing the other team that has 3 cups the in the last 8 years and have a bunch proud players on their roster. Add all of that to the fact the Pens naturally struggle in that building and I'm not one bit surprised. Pens had a pile of good chances last night, 3 x the HDSC of the Hawks in fact. They could of took it but they didnt.

If you look at the bigger picture they have been plying pretty f'n solid the last about 15ish games. There's 52 games left. They're tied for 3rd in division and both 2nd and 3rd teams ahead of them are losing too.

All part of the ride. The ups and downs.

Ya, you’re right. Leads the league in wins and shutouts and has a 2.49 and .909
- dawgzhouse

.909 is not good...

Would you guys do Guentzel + 2 1sts for Taransenko? Guentzel's the type of young yet established player St. Louis would want, but he's not enough for an elite player like Tarasenko.

Would you guys do Guentzel + 2 1sts for Taransenko? Guentzel's the type of young yet established player St. Louis would want, but he's not enough for an elite player like Tarasenko.
- jmatchett383

Wouldnt matter if we could or not. Tara's cap hit is 7.5 mill.

Now, if the cap could fit.....hmmmm....I think so....

Would you guys do Guentzel + 2 1sts for Taransenko? Guentzel's the type of young yet established player St. Louis would want, but he's not enough for an elite player like Tarasenko.
- jmatchett383

I think Murray, Maatta or Rust, Hallander and a 1st would be a fair package.

Would you guys do Guentzel + 2 1sts for Taransenko? Guentzel's the type of young yet established player St. Louis would want, but he's not enough for an elite player like Tarasenko.
- jmatchett383

Pens are not in a position to trade 2 firsts. They could collapse and be a bottom feeder in the next 2 years.

I think Murray, Maatta or Rust, Hallander and a 1st would be a fair package.
- Rinosaur

I'd target Schwartz. Cheaper to acquire and smaller cap hit.

I dont know much of Parayako but is he legit?

I dont like Brass but at $3mil I dont think you can find anyone better if you move him for the cap hit. I mean Sheehan is like $2.5.

The only way I'd move Guentzel for Tarasenko is if Guentzel's extension is going to cost close to the same money as Tarasenko.

Would you guys do Guentzel + 2 1sts for Taransenko? Guentzel's the type of young yet established player St. Louis would want, but he's not enough for an elite player like Tarasenko.
- jmatchett383

Nope. I wouldn’t trade Guentzel for Tarasenko at all.

I think Murray, Maatta or Rust, Hallander and a 1st would be a fair package.
- Rinosaur

I think you are vastly overrating Murray and Maatta/Rust. They're all nice pieces, but I think you're wearing some B&G sunglasses.

The only way I'd move Guentzel for Tarasenko is if Guentzel's extension is going to cost close to the same money as Tarasenko.
- Rinosaur

Tarasenkos production is going to take a hit because he won’t be getting number 1 PP time. His production will probably fall to around 50-60 points. Guentzel is already a 40-50 point guy and does most of his damage at even strength. Guentzel is younger and will likely come in cheaper than Tarasenko come next contract. I love Tarasenko but I think it’s a bad move.

I'd target Schwartz. Cheaper to acquire and smaller cap hit.

I dont know much of Parayako but is he legit?

I dont like Brass but at $3mil I dont think you can find anyone better if you move him for the cap hit. I mean Sheehan is like $2.5.
- sammy87

I guess it comes down to what STL is looking to accomplish. Are they trying to rebuild or retool? If they're attempting a rebuild, which I doubt, how far are they going with it?

If they're retooling, players are going to cost more because they want MOSTLY immediate replacements.

Yeah, Schwartz makes more sense financially for the Pens, but what will they want/take? Certainly not giving up Jake for Schwartz, but will they take Murray and a pick if they view Murray as a legit #1? Would they prefer Rust or even Pearson plus a 1st?

I think it's really hard to gauge at this point until it's more clear what they're looking to accomplish.

I'd target Schwartz. Cheaper to acquire and smaller cap hit.

I dont know much of Parayako but is he legit?

I dont like Brass but at $3mil I dont think you can find anyone better if you move him for the cap hit. I mean Sheehan is like $2.5.
- sammy87

Mackey was just on the radio.... Basically says Brass doesn't want to be the 3c. Wants to be in the top 6. Pretty much what he said after last season ended. So what do you do in this case? Do you shoehorn him in at wing for the rest of the season at the expense of Hornie or Pearson?

Sheahan is playing much better the last couple of weeks.

Cullen looked like he needed a walker last night.

Edit... He also said the Penguins absolutely still believe in Murray. They think he'll regain his form at some point.

Tarasenkos production is going to take a hit because he won’t be getting number 1 PP time. His production will probably fall to around 50-60 points. Guentzel is already a 40-50 point guy and does most of his damage at even strength. Guentzel is younger and will likely come in cheaper than Tarasenko come next contract. I love Tarasenko but I think it’s a bad move.
- j.boyd919

Good point. I did't think about that portion of his points.

Mackey was just on the radio.... Basically says Brass doesn't want to be the 3c. Wants to be in the top 6. Pretty much what he said after last season ended. So what do you do in this case? Do you shoehorn him in at wing for the rest of the season at the expense of Hornie or Pearson?

Sheahan is playing much better the last couple of weeks.

Cullen looked like he needed a walker last night.
- madmike71

Sheahan is not a suitable 3C IMO and Brass in the top six is terrible also IMO. If Brass is truly insistent then he needs to jettison and my target from STL would be Bozak.

I just can't believe that someone of Brass' age who's comes as close as he did to winning a cup wouldn't want his best shot possible vs. having to play in the top six.

Good point. I did't think about that portion of his points.
- Rinosaur

Yeah that’s really the biggest thing. He’s a left handed shot that plays the right half wall on the PP. Pens already have Sid and Geno rotating there. Phil on the left side. Tanger up top and when Horny is healthy he’s in front of the net. Who you gonna take out? Who becomes net front?

It would be a complete rework of the PP unless you have him in the high slot and work from behind the net ala Washington’s PP where they have Oshie in the slot but then you’d limit poops from the point because of no presence in front.

Yeah that’s really the biggest thing. He’s a left handed shot that plays the right half wall on the PP. Pens already have Sid and Geno rotating there. Phil on the left side. Tanger up top and when Horny is healthy he’s in front of the net. Who you gonna take out? Who becomes net front?

It would be a complete rework of the PP unless you have him in the high slot and work from behind the net ala Washington’s PP where they have Oshie in the slot but then you’d limit poops from the point because of no presence in front.
- j.boyd919

I would prefer if the Pens add any forwards it doesn't take a top-six forward to obtain said forward. I would prefer to use bottom-six guys, dmen or even a goalie to get what they need.

Not to sound like the sky is falling, but if the Pens are going to attempt to compete with the likes of Tampa or Toronto, they need to seriously upgrade, not just tweak.

I actually don't feel as bad about the Pens' dmen as a I did as a whole. I'm more concerned about three strong lines.

Not to mention Flower is trash this year.
- j.boyd919

Leads the NHL in wins
I don't call that "dogpoop" or "trash"

Sheahan is not a suitable 3C IMO and Brass in the top six is terrible also IMO. If Brass is truly insistent then he needs to jettison and my target from STL would be Bozak.

I just can't believe that someone of Brass' age who's comes as close as he did to winning a cup wouldn't want his best shot possible vs. having to play in the top six.
- Rinosaur

This is his paydirt ride of into the sunset contract year. I can see how he'd want more time and PP time to get points. I really can't stand him on Sid's wing but if he's gonna whine he better put up some points there.

.909 is not good...
- j.boyd919

Oh boy
I guess that means that Laurent Broissoit is elite with his .932

This is his paydirt ride of into the sunset contract year. I can see how he'd want more time and PP time to get points. I really can't stand him on Sid's wing but if he's gonna whine he better put up some points there.
- Thorny87

Brass is going to get paid regardless. Someone of his caliber in the open market is going to get overpaid by someone. If the Pens have a better shot at winning the cup with him at 3C and they at least make to the conf. finals with him there? He's definitely getting paid.

If he wins the cup? I mean, just look at the contract Bones got and Brass >>> Bones.

What are they gonna do to get Geno going? Is a swap of Jake and Pearson the answer? Jake and Sid play well together but I'm wondering what a Pearson Sid Horny line looks like.