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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 12 @ 4:07 PM ET
Well, I did. He looked really good with both Lindblom and Laughton. Played solid defense. Looked like a shiny spot on the PK too.

Edit:
Knight’s stat lines from preseason
4 1 2 3 3 2 0 0 0 0 4 18 13:11 18 65.5

3 points in 4 games, he looked good. Couldn’t get a lot going in the 3 regular season games, but it was spotty being scratched. He was still even plus/minus.

Found out, broken collarbone. Mid February at the earliest.

- NC Flyers Fan


Those preseason numbers almost (ALMOST) as as impressive as Vorobyov's were.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 12 @ 4:08 PM ET
His second unit time lol. I'm looking at it more as , we thought you would be the 2C, you weren't ready, now Giroux has to go back to center. Maybe a small reduction in ice time but in his head a more serious demotion.
- ClaudeFather

Claude Giroux centered the third line when he entered the nhl between Arron Asham and an injured Danny Briere who sat early that season. Wayne Simmonds is a good player and Scott Laughton is better than Arron Asham.

There was a time where Briere, Carter and Richards were our three centers and along cake Giroux, so things changed and players adjusted.

Even Simon Gagne was a third line player next to Keith Primeau and Sami Kapanen in the 2004 playoffs.

Please stop making me defense Dave Hakstol. Nolan Patrick will be fine!
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 12 @ 4:09 PM ET
I agree. Patrick might see it as a demotion but that is speculation. Hopefully it's motivating for him.
- MJL


Coots could see it as a demotion too, but I doubt he will. I guess you could call it a demotion in linemates for Patrick.
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 12 @ 4:11 PM ET
This one is all faith in the development process. It has to be temporary. I haven’t gone back and watched tapes so I didn’t notice it without looking, but my guess is there was something there.
- NC Flyers Fan


JvR-Giroux-Voracek
Raffl-Couturier-Konecny
Lindblom-Patrick-Simmonds
Weise-Laughton-Weal

End of story
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Dec 12 @ 4:11 PM ET
Those preseason numbers almost (ALMOST) as as impressive as Vorobyov's were.
- jmatchett383


Yes, he was noticeable too. Vorobyev is still developing though; Knight would have been a upgrade to our role player there IMO.

Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 12 @ 4:12 PM ET
Those preseason numbers almost (ALMOST) as as impressive as Vorobyov's were.
- jmatchett383


Myers also had an impressive preseason
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 12 @ 4:14 PM ET
Sean Couturier has been demoted to the second line. Poor guy is gonna have to continue checking top lines. Jake Voracek in my opinion is a demotion to play with since he was playing with Claude Giroux last week.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 12 @ 4:14 PM ET
Yes, he was noticeable too. Vorobyev is still developing though; Knight would have been a upgrade to our role player there IMO.
- NC Flyers Fan


I thought Knight played well for his call up, nothing more than a tweener, but for his limited time he did well.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Dec 12 @ 4:14 PM ET
JvR-Giroux-Voracek
Raffl-Couturier-Konecny
Lindblom-Patrick-Simmonds
Weise-Laughton-Weal

End of story

- SuperSchennBros


Just so you know, I hope he goes back to the 3rd line soon too.

Shrike
Joined: 05.20.2016

Dec 12 @ 4:16 PM ET
Lehtera has been pretty ineffective. Also, I’ve seen plenty of AHL vets come up and be effective for a short time before their play reverts to the mean. Guys like Al Hill, Don Nachbauer, Tim Tookey, Peter White and more recently Colin McDonald were able to come up play a solid couple to a few games in the past

Even Varone can only give them a couple of decent games it will still give them a bit more from the 4C spot that they have been getting recently from Lehtera. It also gives Fletcher a bit more time to address this issue. Perhaps he goes out and acquires a middle 6 LW (which should be less costly to acquire than a middle 6 center) and they can move Laughton to 4C.

Either way, there is little to risk to giving Varone a shot over Lehtera at this point.

- BiggE


Tim Tookey!!!

I spent Wednesday’s and Saturday’s in high school watching Tim tookey and the Hershey bears roll through the ahl.

Nothing like banging on the glass during a good old fashioned bench clearing brawl.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 12 @ 4:18 PM ET
Yes, he was noticeable too. Vorobyev is still developing though; Knight would have been a upgrade to our role player there IMO.
- NC Flyers Fan


But that's my point. Yeah, against AHL/NHL split squads, Vorobyov (who's still young) looked good. Once it was all NHL competition, he looked out of place, because preseason and regular season are different beasts. So I put little stock in preseason, especially for AHL vets.

I have nothing against Knight, I just see him as a tweener at best. H e wasn't especially BAD by any means, but he didn't stand out to me, either.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 12 @ 4:18 PM ET
Claude Giroux centered the third line when he entered the nhl between Arron Asham and an injured Danny Briere who sat early that season. Wayne Simmonds is a good player and Scott Laughton is better than Arron Asham.

There was a time where Briere, Carter and Richards were our three centers and along cake Giroux, so things changed and players adjusted.

Even Simon Gagne was a third line player next to Keith Primeau and Sami Kapanen in the 2004 playoffs.

Please stop making me defense Dave Hakstol. Nolan Patrick will be fine!

- SuperSchennBros

Where was i taking a shot at Dave Hakstol? I agree with the move. All i was saying was Patrick was going to receive less time and less quality linemates because he didn't play to what he was expected to. And that i hoped he would be motivated. Giroux came into a stacked team and yes played on the fourth line, Patrick was gifted 2C and couldn't produce, how are these things related?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 12 @ 4:20 PM ET
Sean Couturier has been demoted to the second line. Poor guy is gonna have to continue checking top lines. Jake Voracek in my opinion is a demotion to play with since he was playing with Claude Giroux last week.
- SuperSchennBros

Why can't you comprehend Patrick was demoted? We all know top 2 lines are solid and will play similar minutes, this joke isn't funny.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 12 @ 4:20 PM ET
Where was i taking a shot at Dave Hakstol? I agree with the move. All i was saying was Patrick was going to receive less time and less quality linemates because he didn't play to what he was expected to. And that i hoped he would be motivated. Giroux came into a stacked team and yes played on the fourth line, Patrick was gifted 2C and couldn't produce, how are these things related?
- ClaudeFather


Giroux was only good when he came in because Scottie Upshall's good looks distracted the other team.

We need to acquire Lundqvist and put him on Patrick's line.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 12 @ 4:22 PM ET
Giroux was only good when he came in because Scottie Upshall's good looks distracted the other team.

We need to acquire Lundqvist and put him on Patrick's line.

- jmatchett383

Not sure if it was his rookie year but i will never forget that goal against Atlanta by G.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 12 @ 4:38 PM ET
Ok that is true, shorthanded time only lasts 30 secs where PP is a full 2 mins.
- Glak18


lol

How can I be the only one who appreciated that?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 12 @ 4:39 PM ET
Coots could see it as a demotion too, but I doubt he will. I guess you could call it a demotion in linemates for Patrick.
- Glak18


He can learn from Couturier how playing with poor players at the start of your career can delay your offensive growth.
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 12 @ 4:39 PM ET
Where was i taking a shot at Dave Hakstol? I agree with the move. All i was saying was Patrick was going to receive less time and less quality linemates because he didn't play to what he was expected to. And that i hoped he would be motivated. Giroux came into a stacked team and yes played on the fourth line, Patrick was gifted 2C and couldn't produce, how are these things related?
- ClaudeFather


Where did I say you were taking shots at Dave Hakstol? I was trying to get you to stop making me defend him. There is nothing wrong with Patrick being on the third line. He’s 20!! It’s not a demotion just so long he gets his ice time and sees offensive situations. Nolan Patrick will be just fine.
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 12 @ 4:41 PM ET
Why can't you comprehend Patrick was demoted? We all know top 2 lines are solid and will play similar minutes, this joke isn't funny.
- ClaudeFather

You’re overreacting is a joke. It’s not like Nolan Patrick needs emergency surgery. That’s not a joke.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 12 @ 4:43 PM ET
Where did I say you were taking shots at Dave Hakstol? I was trying to get you to stop making me defend him. There is nothing wrong with Patrick being on the third line. He’s 20!! It’s not a demotion just so long he gets his ice time and sees offensive situations. Nolan Patrick will be just fine.
- SuperSchennBros

Haha i think you are interpreting what i said wrong. I like the move to get more center depth with G added. There is nothing wrong with Patty on the third line I just hope it motivates him. He was handed the 2C and wasn't ready, I could see that affecting a players confidence.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 01.10.2008

Dec 12 @ 4:44 PM ET
I think Taryn is better than Kate Upton...ask me why
- Glak18

Taryn's great sense of style overcomes her ok-ness
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 12 @ 4:48 PM ET
Haha i think you are interpreting what i said wrong. I like the move to get more center depth with G added. There is nothing wrong with Patty on the third line I just hope it motivates him. He was handed the 2C and wasn't ready, I could see that affecting a players confidence.
- ClaudeFather

If Nolan Patrick is this weak mentally, I don’t want him on my team. Let me help you out, bro.

JvR-Giroux-Konecny
Laughton-Patrick-Simmonds
Raffl-Couturier-Voracek
Lindholm-Lehtera-Weise

Here is tonight’s lineup. It doesn’t matter what it looks like, Sean Couturier is going to be checking the Sean Monahan line.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 12 @ 4:52 PM ET
If Nolan Patrick is this weak mentally, I don’t want him on my team. Let me help you out, bro.

JvR-Giroux-Konecny
Laughton-Patrick-Simmonds
Raffl-Couturier-Voracek
Lindholm-Lehtera-Weise

Here is tonight’s lineup. It doesn’t matter what it looks like, Sean Couturier is going to be checking the Sean Monahan line.

- SuperSchennBros

Patrick will easily see his lowest ice time in the past 5 games, lets hope he does something with it, bro.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 12 @ 4:52 PM ET
Taryn's great sense of style overcomes her ok-ness
- KINGKENZO


I was going to say her symmetrical facial bone structure and ability to use the English language.
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 12 @ 4:57 PM ET
Look guys. You all will never hand me any credit about anything but Hakstol is finally doing things the right way by filling all the center spots with a very basic adjustment that I’ve screemed for since JvR was signed July 1st. Quickly getting to my point, Nolan Patrick centering the third line is so not a big deal. It’s far from. Giroux is 30, and so the circle of life will only hand Patrick the first line center spot before you know it...
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