A bunch of smiles. Build off of this boys. Scoring and great plays all around, some hiccups here and there, but it's a W. Heroic effort by Crow! Have a good rest of the night you guys!

Pierre is a friggin' weirdo!?!?
- I Am The Breadman

Toews to Pierre - Do you got a question you Crazy Person?

Good win tonight .Good game by Crow Martinsen Hayden thought Dahlstrom played well .This team really has been snake bitten , got a few bounces and pulled her out tonight . Think Murphy has help the D . Think JC will be big for Hayden game . Come on let's shock Winnypig and get on a roll ..GO HAWKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whatever. Hayden stays on his feet just, this is just manufactured outrage against a guy who has NOTHING to do with why the Hawks suck. Well done.
- kwolf68

If you don’t think it is crazy how often Hayden hits the ice you just are not watching him closely enough.

craw was outstanding...and seabs gets the assist on all 3 pen goals;

1. Rust got up off the ice and headed for the front of the net while seabs sat there
2. Lazy turnover by seabs leads to a goal
3. And his stick deflects a pass in...

4th line was a monster
hawks didn't wilt as the pens like to push it up and down the ice...

Martinsen 6 hits in 7 minutes. Everyone whines about the lack of ‘grit’, but Martinsen can skate, and he likes to run into people. He can play 4th line grinder on my team anytime.
- scottak

I like the guy ,him in Hayden in on the Pitt D man late in the game .I have not seen that in 5 years from HAWK players ..

Care to elaborate? You haven’t really presented an argument other than posting LeBrun’s article.
- Chief4Feathers

The ONLY thing ever reported about McDonough - and his involvement with player decisions - was a piece John Jaeckel wrote a few years ago. From one of his sources - he said that McDonough wanted to be in the room when decisions were being made - because he felt as president of the team - he should be there.

But nowhere else has it EVER been said that he interferes with the people charged with player acquisitions or player development. He himself has repeatedly said he knows nothing about the process - and never tried to interject himself into the process.

Only the fan base on this site took the original piece and changed the narrative to fit what they want to believe. It's truly been an alternate universe thing here.

It doesn’t, I disagree with Mayer’s those are player mistakes and have nothing to do with Colliton’s man to man system.
- walleyeb1

You would be completely wrong. D-Men who would NEVER both go into the same corner suddenly are doing so since Colliton arrived. That is the SYSTEM. You must also be saying that all the Hawks’ wingers simultaneously have suddenly forgotten how to check the points. Again the SYSTEM. Players doing things they have NEVER previously done is the SYSTEM.

Q would have benched players for this type of crazy.

Worst sports fans in America??? Because we have choices to make with our money and rightfully expect value for its expenditure? Or at least honesty?

Tell you what - the team’s value will continue to track up and down with its on ice success no matter who runs things. And buddy, it’s way down, and headed further down, until they contend again.

Believe what you wish about McD. He will claim plausible deniability for failures scapegoating those in between him and the bench, but is front and center claiming all of the credit when the harvest is bountiful.
- Return of the Roar

That's been the case for the last decade. You can't miss him when they're hot, and can't find him when they're not.

dahawks are you wildly overstepping your knowledge again? Let’s make it easy for you. Bring your buddy McD on here with you - sure we’d all have lots of questions. Might as well bring Stanbo and Scotty too Mr Connected.
- Z3Hawk

And again - know it all armchair people like you think you know something - because an idea pops into your tiny brain - then it must be true.

"Geniuses" like you actually think Scotty Bowman has anything to do with running this team.

That is laughable!!!!

He is an 85 year old man - spending most of his days in Florida playing golf and talking hockey on the phone to anyone in the NHL that he wants to talk to.

His role years ago as "Senior Advisor" was to bounce ideas off of the coaching staff about the way the Russians played the game in the 70s and 80s - and how it could be implemented in today's NHL. He was wildly successful with it during his time in Detroit. Quenneville always valued his input on the subject.

And for the record - his son was in the Hawks front office 7+ years before Scotty was hired.

Toews to Pierre - Do you got a question you Crazy Person?
- Z3Hawk

If you watched the 3 stars they gave Martinsen the #1. Pierre had already gotten Toews to sit next to him for an interview. But when Martinsen was leaving the ice after the #1 star skate around Toews waved him to sit down with them. He sits down but all of a sudden gets up and walks into the room. Looked like that (frank)ing Pierre gave him the heave ho. What a wiener.

No Gus, Rutta or Fortin.
Effort all night from the beginning.
Crawford standing tall all night.

Pride must have found its way in as well.

Let’s be real though - this is a lottery team, and we should want that.
- Return of the Roar

Not a playoff team for sure.

But for those who want to move Crown and would accept a low 2nd rounder and a B prospect - think again.

That's been the case for the last decade. You can't miss him when they're hot, and can't find him when they're not.
- 6628

Yes - worst sports fans in America. Bill Wirtz believed that - and stressed it to both sons.

The other original six teams have all gone through bad years - but never had the attendance dropped so dramatically like it did when Bobby Hull left for the WHA. And again after the 92 cup run that fell short.

Bill Wirtz never got over that - and never forgave the fan base here.

And it's funny - fans here are talking about boycotting and laughing at empty seats - and hoping for the building to empty out again - proving Bill's point.

What most of you don't remember about McDonough is he was the marketing president for the Cubs - during a time when they sucked beyond sucking - but they kept drawing 3 million fans a year. If you don't think Rocky Wirtz respects him for that - and keeps him here to continue to attempt selling this team in down years - they you really don't get it - and never will.

You would be completely wrong. D-Men who would NEVER both go into the same corner suddenly are doing so since Colliton arrived. That is the SYSTEM. You must also be saying that all the Hawks’ wingers simultaneously have suddenly forgotten how to check the points. Again the SYSTEM. Players doing things they have NEVER previously done is the SYSTEM.

Q would have benched players for this type of crazy.
- Z3Hawk

I didn't sea/hear what Mayers said but it's obvious that bringing in young players to a team with eight veterans who have won Cups with the HOF coach at the helm is going to be way easier than if those eight veterans are also learning a new system while playing for a rookie coach who hasn't taught his system to veteran NHL stars before. Lots of learning happening on this team, it looks ugly sometimes.

And again - know it all armchair people like you think you know something - because an idea pops into your tiny brain - then it must be true.

"Geniuses" like you actually think Scotty Bowman has anything to do with running this team.

That is laughable!!!!

He is an 85 year old man - spending most of his days in Florida playing golf and talking hockey on the phone to anyone in the NHL that he wants to talk to.

His role years ago as "Senior Advisor" was to bounce ideas off of the coaching staff about the way the Russians played the game in the 70s and 80s - and how it could be implemented in today's NHL. He was wildly successful with it during his time in Detroit. Quenneville always valued his input on the subject.

And for the record - his son was in the Hawks front office 7+ years before Scotty was hired.
- dahawks8819

My position is that whatever McD is bringing to the president role - it’s not enough. Not many people are impressed with the increased value of the Hawks as being some brilliant accomplishment. Getting home games on TV and then a team wins a lot is not marketing genius. There are great examples of team presidents that are subject matter experts on the sport of the team they run (e.g. Theo Epstein). Having a president that is knowledgable about player evaluation/development and roster development would be desirable. Marketing is of no use if the product is bad.

Coach Q won all too often despite his shortcomings. You can pin the tail on some other donkey if you want, but in the end it comes back on a too.

I do not want any to take anything's ng to at from the Hall of Fame coach. In many ways he is deserving or this accolade.

But Q has ruined or not used proven playiff performers after Bowman traded for them. The Montreal trade stands out.

But Q never took reins and got the powerplay straightened out. There are enough players around to sign or recall who can do we want as instructed on the pp. Q let the Kane crowd do as it pleased. Q should have gone over Bowman's head - because in some instances he was cunning and did so - and everyone could see that Keith is no QB and let's just recall how posters draw cartoon of Keith and two nets.

As a matter of fact, Keith being a star defenseman but with blemishes over the years is ironic SINCE Q over the yearac as a good coach with blemishes

Another Q screw up is laisse affair defense minded forwards under Q. They don't check or play hard enough after Toews started slipping. Not the top line guys, anyway. Bottom line guys, some play hard but they do not win you much if anything.

And everyone knows Q is not a develomental coach for young players. You have to be good immediately; Q coaches veterans to win, not kids. This team needed to transition to more speed, more toughness. That had been trending fir many years around the league. But Stan and Joel are stuck in the old Red Wing quick small non physical forwards and slow fill in depth dmen.

On this last accord I am not sure either Q or Bowman will ever be up to par. We shall see with Bowman. I would like to break Q faults down furthermore when I can squeeze in time to knock out a more detailed response.

My position is that whatever McD is bringing to the president role - it’s not enough. Not many people are impressed with the increased value of the Hawks as being some brilliant accomplishment. Getting home games on TV and then a team wins a lot is not marketing genius. There are great examples of team presidents that are subject matter experts on the sport of the team they run (e.g. Theo Epstein). Having a president that is knowledgable about player evaluation/development and roster development would be desirable. Marketing is of no use if the product is bad.
- Chief4Feathers

If the president is evaluating players what is the GM, his assistants and the scouting groups for? Theo Epstein is a GM given the president role to draw him to Chicago and pay him what he wanted. That’s his background so of course he’s involved in the player decisions. Do you know how involved he is in the marketing and day to day business activities of the Cubs? Since he spends on lot of time on player business probably not much. He spends his time where he has experience and has teams of people handling the rest.

McD hasn’t been good enough? Have you seen the revenue streams this team now enjoys? It’s overall value? Sure winning gives you a big head start but a smart, well run company takes its advantages and builds on them or looks for other avenues to grow. That’s what the Chicago Blackhawks as an organIzation have done under McD. I understand the frustration with the product currently on the ice and McD has to answer for some of that. But he’s responsible for the company as a whole and the the only thing in the NHL more successful than the Hawks on the ice has been the Hawks organization off of it.

My position is that whatever McD is bringing to the president role - it’s not enough. Not many people are impressed with the increased value of the Hawks as being some brilliant accomplishment. Getting home games on TV and then a team wins a lot is not marketing genius. There are great examples of team presidents that are subject matter experts on the sport of the team they run (e.g. Theo Epstein). Having a president that is knowledgable about player evaluation/development and roster development would be desirable.
- Chief4Feathers

Marketing is of no use if the product is bad

.

You are wrong there.

That's when marketing is MOST needed.

McDonough sold losing Cubs baseball to the idiot masses - and for years - that park drew 3+ million a year to watch a bad team.

Build off this? Lol...that’s rich

What good will winning a few games do? We need to lose, lose again, and keep on losing. Any win from here on out is counter productive.
- SimpleJack

I'm going to politely ask you to not condescend. I'm not a rude person and I don't insult anyone here or what they say/have an opinion on. I don't agree with your plans on the long term goal of the hawks, but I'm not going to show any disrespect because it's a different opinion than mine. I'm a more optimistic fan, but I realize this isn't a playoff team and are far from being on the bubble. I will be critical of the team/individual players, as most fans are. I want to see wins and I want to see the hawks play competitively. Effort for 60 minutes, that is all I ask for. Being embarrassed for another season in a row, for vets or young players, doesn't build confidence. My idea could be good or not in the long run for the hawks, I don't know. Your idea could be good or not in the long run for the hawks, I don't know. Please, don't disrespect me or what I say.

You are wrong there.

That's when marketing is MOST needed.

McDonough sold losing Cubs baseball to the idiot masses - and for years - that park drew 3+ million a year to watch a bad team.
- dahawks8819

You can market the Wrigley Field expereince during the summer without the team being competitive. It’s jokingly referred to as the best beer garden on the north side of the city for good reason.

The UC doesn’t hold nearly the same allure, nor does hockey hold the same leisurely expereince as taking in a baseball game. It is very much about the product on the ice that makes the experience.

You can market the Wrigley Field expereince during the summer without the team being competitive. It’s jokingly referred to as the best beer garden on the north side of the city for good reason.

The UC doesn’t hold nearly the same allure, nor does hockey hold the same leisurely expereince as taking in a baseball game. It is very much about the product on the ice that makes the experience.
- Chief4Feathers

You are forgetting that people like going to baseball games because it is summertime and the weather is beautiful! Lots of casual sports fans go to baseball games just because they want to go to a ball game.

You are forgetting that people like going to baseball games because it is summertime and the weather is beautiful! Lots of casual sports fans go to baseball games just because they want to go to a ball game.
- frafra

Thanks. I’m not forgetting that - it’s why I argue that’s its easier to market Wrigley Field as an expereince regardless of the on-field product.

If the president is evaluating players what is the GM, his assistants and the scouting groups for? Theo Epstein is a GM given the president role to draw him to Chicago and pay him what he wanted. That’s his background so of course he’s involved in the player decisions. Do you know how involved he is in the marketing and day to day business activities of the Cubs? Since he spends on lot of time on player business probably not much. He spends his time where he has experience and has teams of people handling the rest.

McD hasn’t been good enough? Have you seen the revenue streams this team now enjoys? It’s overall value? Sure winning gives you a big head start but a smart, well run company takes its advantages and builds on them or looks for other avenues to grow. That’s what the Chicago Blackhawks as an organIzation have done under McD. I understand the frustration with the product currently on the ice and McD has to answer for some of that. But he’s responsible for the company as a whole and the the only thing in the NHL more successful than the Hawks on the ice has been the Hawks organization off of it.
- John McDonough

I’d prefer the “Epstein” model for the Hawks front office. I’d like the CEO to be focused on the success of the primary product and ancillary efforts like marketing to be handled by other staff, not the other way around. The success of the on ice product will drive the financial success of the team.

And another thing.....

You and others can continue to bash McDonough for what you believe - but the person who matters the most - Rocky Wirtz - thinks he has done a brilliant job selling this team to some of the worst sports fans in America. And all the whining and complaining from most of you - after one of the most successful decades this town has EVER seen - just fortifies that thought.

Bill Wirtz had nothing but contempt for fair weather fans like you and so many of the other posters here. It would have been his greatest joy to deny you of ANY of it - had he lived to have a say in it.

So keep talking about McDonough being the problem here - while Rocky gives him a raise for being the president of a sports team that went from 200 million - to over a billion in value. His opinion is the ONLY one that matters.

But all of you - keep going with your nonsense!!!!

It's you that are the absolute embarrassment of the NHL - and most people outside of this little Chicago hate fest that read this - would agree!!!!!

Stay classy Chicago!!!!!



- dahawks8819

Found McDonough’s burner account


Happy Gilmore: whoa, psycho

Found McDonough’s burner account


Happy Gilmore: whoa, psycho
- ObeseOprah

Agreed, there’s some connection here.

Was at the game tonight, noticed:
Crawford was the MVP

Seabrook should maybe consider forward, he was waving Wendell tonight.

Keith is still our best defenseman, mistakes and all, and it’s not even close.

Hayden had an outstanding shift on the PK.

Kane played like his controller batterie she kept dying.

Sikura looked mildly dangerous behind the net.

Dahlstrom isn’t afraid to shoot, and he actually confronted someone who came to the net. That was refreshing, decent skater too.

Hawks two line passes almost never connect cleanly.

When Toews turned it on on the back check he was a beast, moving twice as fast as the puck carrier and harassing everyone.

Strome continues to stand out well for me, his skating hinders his puck battles but his playmaking reminds me why he went #3.