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bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Dec 12 @ 9:19 AM ET
I get that it's not pleasant right now, but I think every team aside from Pittsburgh would gladly trade the last 10 years you guys have had and then deal with the eventual fallout.
- jmatchett383


probably so...bloated contracts, the cap, and mismanagement I guess made this inevitable
resqmed99
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2007

Dec 12 @ 9:21 AM ET
This is a remodel. One bad season, grab a Justin Hughes with the first, wala! Instant contender!

The true winners are Breakthru Beverage. The only way you can make it through a home game is to drink your way through it!
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Dec 12 @ 9:21 AM ET
Oh stop crying, for God's sake...so you have to rebuild again, big deal. Go shine your rings from the last rebuild and try to do it all over again. You guys make me sick!


- LeftCoaster



go find the nearest toilet and just stay away then and go play with your luongo bobble head
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Dec 12 @ 9:22 AM ET
Watching a Hawk game has become just laughable. It's to the point I watch to see how bad they can be.

I wonder if, with the dismissal of coach Q, the vets with NMC/NTC's were also told or asked, if you want out we'll try to accommodate you.

I mean, how else to explain it? Diminishing skill set I can understand but, come on. The lack of effort and basic hockey knowledge displayed is astounding.

And for those who are now comparing the Hawks to the 74/75 Caps who had 8 wins, remember there was no OT back then. Those were 8 regulation wins. Hawks are currently sitting at what, 5?

- Rota's Rooter


correct and my not see 10...unless teams hand it to them.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Dec 12 @ 9:29 AM ET
HamiltonHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.13.2015

Dec 12 @ 9:30 AM ET
I get that it's not pleasant right now, but I think every team aside from Pittsburgh would gladly trade the last 10 years you guys have had and then deal with the eventual fallout.
- jmatchett383

Yeah sometimes forget how long other teams have gone without a trip to the cup finals let alone winning the cup. Tough out this year and then hopefully get behind the rebuild. . Knew this day would come but guess we have been spoiled to think it would keep going.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Dec 12 @ 9:33 AM ET

- BINGO!

Ok. That is just cruel.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Dec 12 @ 9:34 AM ET
Ok. That is just cruel.
- Rota's Rooter


Sorry guys, just kind of funny watching everyone trying to find somebody to blame when the truth is that this is on, well, everyone.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Dec 12 @ 9:34 AM ET
Quenneville looked like a genius between 2009 and 2015. He looked less so from 2016 - 2018. Did Quenneville suddenly forget how to coach? Colliton enters as coach and the team isn't fairing much better in fact it got worse. Coach's fault? I don't think so. A coach is only as good as his players. He gets the best or worst of what he has in the dressing room. The problem with the Hawks starts on the blueline. The Hawks really no longer have a top teir defense pairing. And beyond Keith I'm not sure they have a defender who would have contributed to the Cup winning teams.

Unfortunately it's not only in the talent on the blueline but it seems apathy has set in. Keith, Kane, Toews, Seabrook and Crawford, the core, have all pretty much gone through the motions in the last month or so. It's sad to see a group so reverred, so dedicated and the guys who epitomized the Glory days of this team seem suddenly uninspired, unmotivated and seeming uninterested in earning their paycheques.

Many of Bowman's trades in the past I'd give him a break on because his goal was to keep the Hawks competative or cap compliant. The Seabrook contract was a huge mistake. His free agent acquisitions are curious at best. It seems the Hawks have drafted well but time will test that theory. The question to me do the Hawks want to see what Bowman can do or do they need to move him out and get in a new GM?

Whatever happens I think as much of the core as possible has to moved out. It's time to blow it up and rebuild.

One of the things I hated about the Hawks when they were the best team in hockey was the World Junior Hockey Championships had very few Hawk prospects and the ones they had were almost all support players. I also hated the draft because Chicago was drafting so low. I guess the silver lining now is I can enjoy the WJHC and the draft.

- paulr


Under your “theory” a Coach is never responsible and that is ridiculous. The Hawks didn’t win because of Q, often they won in spite of him. Colliton is a joke.

Colliton has absolutely no resume. It is absolutely ludicrous that he has been named a Head Coach of a NHL team. Do you think he was on any other team’s radar as a Head Coach? Of course not. Other teams and players are laughing. Shaw didn’t say it but it was pretty freakin’ obvious what he thought. Rocky should secretly discuss this freak show with talented hockey people. Get rid of “Nepotism” Stan Bowman now! Cut off all ties with Scotty Bowman now! Fire the Coaching Staff now! Get professional people in - what a concept PROFESSIONAL people to run an NHL hockey team. The Hawks are a Laughing Stock.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Dec 12 @ 9:41 AM ET
No it didn't, there were multiple rebuilds during that time and some damn good teams. Not every rebuild results in a Stanley Cup. It's hard to win the trophy.

Pulford was a good GM; in 1980 he drafted Savard 3rd overall, then Olczyk 3rd overall in 1984, then Roenick 8th overall in 1988....by 1990 you were in the third round of the playoffs, won the President's Trophy in 1991 and made it to the finals in 1992.

You've witnessed some damn good hockey and some damn poor hockey. It's impossible to stay on top forever. Four years after the dynasty Islanders won their last Cup in 84 they were near the bottom of the league. Stop your f**kin whining.

- LeftCoaster


Mr History don’t just throw years out. Talk about what actually happened in 1991 and 1992. The results were not quite as wonderful as you suggest.

In any event relax as I was joking.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 12 @ 9:55 AM ET
The Hawks started 5 players last night that should not be on the ice (or in the NHL). You cannot win when 25% of your team is not NHL worthy.
Fortin - needs AHL time
Kunitz - waive / retire
Kruger - retire or head back to Sweden
Rutta - waive and send to AHL or let him go back to Europe
Manning - in the press box as the 7th defenseman

The Hawks started Hayden on the top line with Toews. I like Haydens energy and hustle, but he should either play in Rockford or on the 4th line. Not on a top line with Toews.

They are better with AA (concussion protocol), Forsling (injured) and Gus (Illness). I expect AA to be moved at the deadline or before the draft.

Strome, Kahun, Kampf, and Joki are showing they belong in the NHL.

One or two of the young defenders should be able to make the jump next year.

One of Delia, Forsberg, Lankinen, or Nalimov should replace Ward next year.

The Hawks will have a very good 1st round pick that should make the team.

The Hawks have cap space to add a stud top 6 forward and/or a top 4 defender.

Panarin - Hughes - Kane
Saad - Toews - Free agent
ADB - Strome - Kahun
Hayden - Kamp - ??

Keith - Joki
free agent - Boqvist
Forsling - Seabs (if or because his contract is unmovable)
Gus

Crow
(Delia, Forsberg, Lankinen, Nalimov)
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Dec 12 @ 9:57 AM ET
Sorry guys, just kind of funny watching everyone trying to find somebody to blame when the truth is that this is on, well, everyone.
- BINGO!





by all means...
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Dec 12 @ 9:58 AM ET
I bet the hawks are wishing they didn't run it up on the Pens in the opener last year.
Slapshotjeff
Joined: 06.10.2014

Dec 12 @ 10:01 AM ET
As the expression goes: "$hit runs downhill", remember, "this isn't a rebuild, it's a remodel."
I'm starting to believe that Bowman and McDonough aren't capable of engineering even a small rebuild.
Last week's rumor that an email was sent out by Stanley to the other General Managers advertising that Rutta and Manning "where available for trade" is an indication of how little respect the rest of the league must have for the Hawks front office. One would think that if Stan were serious he would be working the phones like mad. This season's debacle just advertises the Hawks dilemma. Maybe the other GM's and this year's restricted/unrestricted players are waiting to see what else plays out, a new staff in the front office? A new GM? Who knows what else can go on? In the mean time playing the Hawks looks like an easy two points.
To me the smart play wasn't to fire Q but to replace Dineen with Colliton. Let Jeremy learn the system and at the end of the season maybe move him to replace Joel.
McDonough and Bowman lost a good Defensive coach in Ulf and didn't replace him. Is it any wonder why the back end is in bad shape? Now are they putting a potentially good head coach in a position were he can only fail?
The real question is how long will Rocky let this insanity go on.
nickmo2699
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 01.06.2012

Dec 12 @ 10:07 AM ET
This is getting close to impossible to watch. Que the Homer Simpson backing into the bush GIF's.
frafra
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.21.2011

Dec 12 @ 10:12 AM ET
Watching last nights game made me ask..."when was the last time I saw a Blackhawks player absolutely tee of on somebody with a check?" This team has no push back at all physically. Their back end is a train wreck. Until that is fixed, there will be no improvement.

JL- IF the Hawks were to move Keith to Toronto, any idea of what a return could/would look like? If I am Toronto, I am looking to make that deal. I still think DK has a lot of good hockey left- sadly not with this team.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Dec 12 @ 10:14 AM ET
Under your “theory” a Coach is never responsible and that is ridiculous. The Hawks didn’t win because of Q, often they won in spite of him. Colliton is a joke.

Colliton has absolutely no resume. It is absolutely ludicrous that he has been named a Head Coach of a NHL team. Do you think he was on any other team’s radar as a Head Coach? Of course not. Other teams and players are laughing. Shaw didn’t say it but it was pretty freakin’ obvious what he thought. Rocky should secretly discuss this freak show with talented hockey people. Get rid of “Nepotism” Stan Bowman now! Cut off all ties with Scotty Bowman now! Fire the Coaching Staff now! Get professional people in - what a concept PROFESSIONAL people to run an NHL hockey team. The Hawks are a Laughing Stock.

- Z3Hawk


Yes, FIRE EM ALL!!! That's a great way to resolve the problem.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Dec 12 @ 10:26 AM ET
I'm as guilty as anyone of pointing fingers and trying to figure out which line up would make things all better. The players are coasting, the coach was too set in his ways (now too green), the FO has made some horrible moves, Rocky just cares about booze sales, etc. Then I remember back to the offseason when everyone was terrified that the Hawks would turn into the Red Wings with a slow roll into mediocrity.

Well, the Band-Aid got ripped off. We are bad immediately, and say what you will about the guys running the show, this gives the opportunity to start over quicker (whether intended or not). I understand that there are some bloated contracts and NMC's but that has not precluded many moves in the past. There are always moves to be made. I'm as irritated as everyone else here when I see the product on the ice, but here's to hoping that they get to turn this around sooner rather than later.
gnosox1986
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 01.25.2012

Dec 12 @ 10:27 AM ET
This is getting close to impossible to watch. Que the Homer Simpson backing into the bush GIF's.
- nickmo2699


Comes back out of the bush with a Bryce Harper White Sox Jersey....

AMIRITE!?
nickmo2699
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 01.06.2012

Dec 12 @ 10:29 AM ET
Comes back out of the bush with a Bryce Harper White Sox Jersey....

AMIRITE!?

- gnosox1986


He wants to win, so very unlikely.......
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 12 @ 10:30 AM ET
The Blackhawks longest losing streak, set in 1951, is 12 games. The current streak stands at 8, with the next 4 games, all at home, against PIT, WPG, SJ, and NSH.
If the Hawks continue losing, the tie breaker would be at Dallas.

If it weren't for the last second game tying goal and subsequent OT win against Florida a few weeks ago, the streak would now be at 11.

The 1950-51 team finished with a 13-47-10 record, 36 points, 6th place.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Dec 12 @ 10:31 AM ET
It's painful going through rough patches like this but it's the cyclical nature of sports. Not many teams stay on top forever, we were lucky to see our Blackhawks dominate for a decade and win 3 championships and for that I will always be thankful.

The main thing that will make this team is time. Time for the prospects to develop and become NHL ready. It may be a couple of years before the likes of Boqvist, Beaudin and Mitchell are NHL ready but I would rather the team take their time and develop the prospect right instead of rushing them.

While I agree with those calling for Bowman to be let go we need to be realistic about the situation. If Bowman is replaced will that make the aging core play like they're 25? No. Will it make the likes of DeBrincat, Strome and Jokiharju become the new Toews, Kane and Keith? No. Will it make it easier for the team to possible trade Keith or Seabrook? No.

This season is a write-off. While I don't like to see the team lose a top 3 draft pick could be the best thing for the team in the long wrong. For me this season was about the development of certain young players and prospects and we've seen lots of encouraging signs so far. The true test of this team's direction will be this off season. The team will have the flexibility to make trades and free agent signing more than they have in the past decade. Plus it will be interesting to see if Boqvist can make the jump to the NHL like Jokiharju did this season.
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Dec 12 @ 10:31 AM ET
Going to the game tonight, I wonder if they'll let me make a 'BYE STAN' sign.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Dec 12 @ 10:34 AM ET
The Blackhawks longest losing streak, set in 1951, is 12 games. The current streak stands at 8, with the next 4 games, all at home, against PIT, WPG, SJ, and NSH.
If the Hawks continue losing, the tie breaker would be at Dallas.

If it weren't for the last second game tying goal and subsequent OT win against Florida a few weeks ago, the streak would now be at 11.

The 1950-51 team finished with a 13-47-10 record, 36 points, 6th place.

- boilermaker100



I'm starting to wonder if this team will challenge the 16-17 Avs with 48 points.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Dec 12 @ 10:35 AM ET
So. Im going to go a little off the reservation here and say it's not all bad.

Aside from the first period again there was quite a bit to build on. They played with some speed and urgency and as the pucks moved faster up the ice the game was actually pretty good to watch.

Strome is going to be a player when he figures out the fitness side and can skate more than 12 mins. To be fair I think Phoenix sitting him and playing him minimal minutes didn't help. But he is certainly a NHL center and isn't terrible. Going to need to be patient there.

Manning and Rutta are pretty bad. One gets replaced by Mitchell as soon as he can sign. Id eat the money now and see what Carlsson, Dalhbeck or Hillman can give you today. The players may not want to think about next year but management and the staff should.

The holes are pretty evident. The "third" pairing guys plus Seabrook are a constant problem and the 4th line has zero value and the third isnt much better. Cant check, cant bum slay, cant tred water against other 4th lines. And they are one top talented forward short in the top six.

You can see why JC is diluting the top players across 3 lines.

I think the more talented players are starting to get it but the bottom guys are just so darn bad the good players are going to be tired / injured really soon and thats why you don't see sustained 60 minute hockey.

This roster was so horridly constructed I don't know that Bowman is the guy to start flipping the veterans and honestly what does Keith or any of the others really get you back? Karlsson got Ottawa nothing. Kessel went to Pitt for basically junk, nothing that made Toronto immediately better. Unless its a salary dump or to clear a roster spot for someone better, probably a waste to let him go.
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