I love spooling Leftys fun.

38 WISE, JAKE 5' 10" 195 CENTER BOSTON UNIVERSITY H-EAST
39 MADDEN, TYLER

NHL central scouting has them ranked together in the final rankings.

Yup good on him .
- VANTEL

For me it's as much on Oiler management for not having a strong veteran presence around these kids and letting them get away with it. Kevin Lowe thought he could replicate the early 80's with the "boys on the bus" mentality and it just didn't work in todays game.

I love spooling Leftys fun.

38 WISE, JAKE 5' 10" 195 CENTER BOSTON UNIVERSITY H-EAST
39 MADDEN, TYLER

NHL central scouting has them ranked together in the final rankings.
- manvanfan

38 is way ahead of 39

For me it's as much on Oiler management for not having a strong veteran presence around these kids and letting them get away with it. Kevin Lowe thought he could replicate the early 80's with the "boys on the bus" mentality and it just didn't work in todays game.
- LeftCoaster

I think we are lucky we have Bo for that reason, Virtanen has seem to have turned the corner and the room doesn't seem like a bunch of party boys

For me it's as much on Oiler management for not having a strong veteran presence around these kids and letting them get away with it. Kevin Lowe thought he could replicate the early 80's with the "boys on the bus" mentality and it just didn't work in todays game.
- LeftCoaster

And the coach

I love spooling Leftys fun.

38 WISE, JAKE 5' 10" 195 CENTER BOSTON UNIVERSITY H-EAST
39 MADDEN, TYLER

NHL central scouting has them ranked together in the final rankings.
- manvanfan

No, you're correct, I was wrong, I looked back and I was mistaking Jake Wise for Jack Drury.

That said, my point still stands they identified two kids ranked within five to ten picks of each other and made the right choice. Something they didn't do with Virtanen, which was my original point. Ehlers & Nylander both ranked right there with Jake Virtanen but they didn't make the right pick.

Water under the bridge, things changed in their process and I think they're making better decisions.

And the coach
- VANTEL

That organization's been so mismanaged over the past ten years!! Glass houses though, the Canucks haven't been much better with Aquilini and his puppet Benning in charge.

No, you're correct, I was wrong, I looked back and I was mistaking Jake Wise for Jack Drury.

That said, my point still stands they identified two kids ranked within five to ten picks of each other and made the right choice. Something they didn't do with Virtanen, which was my original point. Ehlers & Nylander both ranked right there with Jake Virtanen but they didn't make the right pick.

Water under the bridge, things changed in their process and I think they're making better decisions.
- LeftCoaster

Ehlers+ Nylander= 9 goals ,Jake 10

38 is way ahead of 39
- anavar

It depends which rankings you go with but I still was thinking of a different player...

40. Jakub Skarek G Dukla Jihlava (Extraliga)
41. Jake Wise C U.S. U18 (NTDP)
42. Mattias Samuelsson LHD U.S. U18 (NTDP)
43. Milos Roman C Vancouver (WHL)
44. Martin Kaut RW Pardubice (Extraliga)
45. Allan McShane C Oshawa (OHL)
46. Jonatan Berggren LW Skelleftea J20 (Superelit)
47. Ryan Merkley RHD Guelph (OHL)
48. Ivan Muranov LW HK MVD (MHL)
49. Michal Kvasnica RW Trinec U20 (ELJ)
50. Philip Kurashev C Quebec (QMJHL)
51. Kevin Bahl LHD Ottawa (OHL)
52. Nicolas Beaudin LHD Drummondville (QMJHL)
53. Danila Galenyuk LHD SKA-1946 (MHL)
54. Cole Fonstad RW Prince Albert (WHL)
55. Jay O’Brien C Thayer HS (Mass.)
56. Adam Ginning LHD Linkoping J20 (Superelit)
57. Gabriel Fortier C/W Baie-Comeau (QMJHL)
58. Calen Addison RHD Lethbridge (WHL)
59. Ondrej Buchtela RHD Chomutov (Extraliga)
60. Jett Woo RHD Moose Jaw (WHL)
61. Ryan Chyzowski C Medicine Hat (WHL)
62. Curtis Douglas C Windsor (OHL)

NHL Draft big board rankings: 63-100

NAME POSITION 2017-18 TEAM
63. Ruslan Iskhakov C/W Krasnaya Armiya (MHL)
64. Nils Lundkvist RHD Lulea (SHL)
65. Oskar Back C Farjestad J20 (Superelit)
66. Blade Jenkins LW Saginaw (OHL)
67. Jonathan Gruden LW U.S. U18 (NTDP)
68. Sampo Ranta LW Sioux City (USHL)
69. Jan Jenik LW Liberec U20 (ELJ)
70. Alexander Zhabreyev C/W Dynamo SPB (MHL)
71. Matej Svoboda RW Kometa Brno U20 (ELJ)
72. Aidan Dudas C Owen Sound (OHL)
73. Martin Fehervary LHD Oskarshamm (Allsvenskan)
74. Niklas Nordgren RW HIFK (Liiga)
75. Filip Johansson RHD Leksands J20 (Superelit)
76. Xavier Bouchard RHD Baie-Comeau (QMJHL)
77. Toni Utunen LHD Tappara (SM-Liiga)
78. Nando Eggenberger LW Davos (NLA)
79. Kirill Marchenko RW Mamonty Yugry (MHL)
80. Olivier Rodrigue G Drummondville (QMJHL)
81. Karel Plasek LW Kometa Brno U20 (ELJ)
82. Cam Hillis C Guelph (OHL)
83. Gavin Hain C U.S. U18 (NTDP)
84. Jacob Bernard-Docker RHD Okotoks (AJHL)
85. Liam Foudy C London (OHL)
86. Anderson MacDonald LW Moncton (QMJHL)
87. Jake Pivonka C U.S. U18 (NTDP)
88. Santeri Salmela LHD KooKoo U20 Jr. A (SM-Liiga)
89. Kristian Kovacik C/W Dukla Trencin U20 (Slovakia JRS)
90. Riley Sutter C Everett (WHL)
91. Ty Emberson RHD U.S. U18 (NTDP)
92. Arttu Nevasaari RW Karpat U20 Jr. A (SM-Liiga)
93. Matthew Struthers C Owen Sound (OHL)
94. Tyler Madden C Central Illinois (USHL)

No, you're correct, I was wrong, I looked back and I was mistaking Jake Wise for Jack Drury.

That said, my point still stands they identified two kids ranked within five to ten picks of each other and made the right choice. Something they didn't do with Virtanen, which was my original point. Ehlers & Nylander both ranked right there with Jake Virtanen but they didn't make the right pick.

Water under the bridge, things changed in their process and I think they're making better decisions.
- LeftCoaster

I don't remember why I looked this morning at the central rankings but I had noticed them ranked beside each other.

I like their rankings for the most part. Squashing the euros in between the NA is tall task.

The process has changed for Van, it was well known that JB got new scouts with new guidelines.

I think JV would show his worth more in the playoffs.

Ehlers+ Nylander= 9 goals ,Jake 10
- VANTEL

I can play that game too

Ehlers - GP 265 Pts 181
Nylander - GP 187 Pts 135
Virtanen - GP 172 Pts 48

Has Minivan gone to bed yet?

I can play that game too

Ehlers - GP 265 Pts 181
Nylander - GP 187 Pts 135
Virtanen - GP 172 Pts 48
- LeftCoaster

The past is the past everyone knows it is what have you done for me lately

It depends which rankings you go with but I still was thinking of a different player...

40. Jakub Skarek G Dukla Jihlava (Extraliga)
41. Jake Wise C U.S. U18 (NTDP)
42. Mattias Samuelsson LHD U.S. U18 (NTDP)
43. Milos Roman C Vancouver (WHL)
44. Martin Kaut RW Pardubice (Extraliga)
45. Allan McShane C Oshawa (OHL)
46. Jonatan Berggren LW Skelleftea J20 (Superelit)
47. Ryan Merkley RHD Guelph (OHL)
48. Ivan Muranov LW HK MVD (MHL)
49. Michal Kvasnica RW Trinec U20 (ELJ)
50. Philip Kurashev C Quebec (QMJHL)
51. Kevin Bahl LHD Ottawa (OHL)
52. Nicolas Beaudin LHD Drummondville (QMJHL)
53. Danila Galenyuk LHD SKA-1946 (MHL)
54. Cole Fonstad RW Prince Albert (WHL)
55. Jay O’Brien C Thayer HS (Mass.)
56. Adam Ginning LHD Linkoping J20 (Superelit)
57. Gabriel Fortier C/W Baie-Comeau (QMJHL)
58. Calen Addison RHD Lethbridge (WHL)
59. Ondrej Buchtela RHD Chomutov (Extraliga)
60. Jett Woo RHD Moose Jaw (WHL)
61. Ryan Chyzowski C Medicine Hat (WHL)
62. Curtis Douglas C Windsor (OHL)

NHL Draft big board rankings: 63-100

NAME POSITION 2017-18 TEAM
63. Ruslan Iskhakov C/W Krasnaya Armiya (MHL)
64. Nils Lundkvist RHD Lulea (SHL)
65. Oskar Back C Farjestad J20 (Superelit)
66. Blade Jenkins LW Saginaw (OHL)
67. Jonathan Gruden LW U.S. U18 (NTDP)
68. Sampo Ranta LW Sioux City (USHL)
69. Jan Jenik LW Liberec U20 (ELJ)
70. Alexander Zhabreyev C/W Dynamo SPB (MHL)
71. Matej Svoboda RW Kometa Brno U20 (ELJ)
72. Aidan Dudas C Owen Sound (OHL)
73. Martin Fehervary LHD Oskarshamm (Allsvenskan)
74. Niklas Nordgren RW HIFK (Liiga)
75. Filip Johansson RHD Leksands J20 (Superelit)
76. Xavier Bouchard RHD Baie-Comeau (QMJHL)
77. Toni Utunen LHD Tappara (SM-Liiga)
78. Nando Eggenberger LW Davos (NLA)
79. Kirill Marchenko RW Mamonty Yugry (MHL)
80. Olivier Rodrigue G Drummondville (QMJHL)
81. Karel Plasek LW Kometa Brno U20 (ELJ)
82. Cam Hillis C Guelph (OHL)
83. Gavin Hain C U.S. U18 (NTDP)
84. Jacob Bernard-Docker RHD Okotoks (AJHL)
85. Liam Foudy C London (OHL)
86. Anderson MacDonald LW Moncton (QMJHL)
87. Jake Pivonka C U.S. U18 (NTDP)
88. Santeri Salmela LHD KooKoo U20 Jr. A (SM-Liiga)
89. Kristian Kovacik C/W Dukla Trencin U20 (Slovakia JRS)
90. Riley Sutter C Everett (WHL)
91. Ty Emberson RHD U.S. U18 (NTDP)
92. Arttu Nevasaari RW Karpat U20 Jr. A (SM-Liiga)
93. Matthew Struthers C Owen Sound (OHL)
94. Tyler Madden C Central Illinois (USHL)
- LeftCoaster

Whoever did these, did a VERY bad job.

The past is the past everyone knows it is what have you done for me lately

- VANTEL

2018/19

Ehlers - GP 30 Pts 20
Nylander - Sat out with contract dispute
Virtanen - GP 33 Pts 15

2018/19

Ehlers - GP 30 Pts 20
Nylander - Sat out with contract dispute
Virtanen - GP 33 Pts 15
- LeftCoaster

Nylander 3 games 0 goals

33 games Nylander and Ehlers 9 goals

33 games Jake 10 goals

I win

Nylander 3 games 0 goals

33 games Nylander and Ehlers 9 goals

33 games Jake 10 goals

I win
- VANTEL

Lefty losing all over the place tonight

Nylander 3 games 0 goals

33 games Nylander and Ehlers 9 goals

33 games Jake 10 goals

I win
- VANTEL

Points....you always just concentrate on goals

If Horvat had Ehlers on his wing, with Pettersson having Boeser, we'd be a lot further ahead. But you keep defending that bad pick lol. It's ok to admit when you make a mistake, they made a mistake, all teams do it.

The great Steve Yzerman did it with the 6th overall pick taking Connolly, it happens.

Points....you always just concentrate on goals

If Horvat had Ehlers on his wing, with Pettersson having Boeser, we'd be a lot further ahead. But you keep defending that bad pick lol. It's ok to admit when you make a mistake, they made a mistake, all teams do it.

The great Steve Yzerman did it with the 6th overall pick taking Connolly, it happens.
- LeftCoaster

Assists are for players that can't shoot

Points....you always just concentrate on goals

If Horvat had Ehlers on his wing, with Pettersson having Boeser, we'd be a lot further ahead. But you keep defending that bad pick lol. It's ok to admit when you make a mistake, they made a mistake, all teams do it.

The great Steve Yzerman did it with the 6th overall pick taking Connolly, it happens.
- LeftCoaster

Would have to trade for some truculence then. Or sign Lucic

Lefty losing all over the place tonight
- manvanfan

I know he's just messin around. What I find comical though, is someone defending something that was clearly a mistake, at least up to this point, just because you're a fan of the team. Mistakes are mistakes, poop happens.

Would have to trade for some truculence then. Or sign Lucic
- manvanfan

Jake is not a "truculent" player. He's a good third line energy guy who is now chipping in offensively and he can move up when he's rolling. That's not a bad thing.

Chris Kreider, as I mentioned earlier, I think Nucker originally came up with that comparison, was 22 when he came onto the Rangers scene full-time and scored 17 goals 37 points. Then he has three 20 goal seasons 43-53 points. That's kinda where I see/hope Virtanen.

Jake is not a "truculent" player. He's a good third line energy guy who is now chipping in offensively and he can move up when he's rolling. That's not a bad thing.

Chris Kreider, as I mentioned earlier, I think Nucker originally came up with that comparison, was 22 when he came onto the Rangers scene full-time and scored 17 goals 37 points. Then he has three 20 goal seasons 43-53 points. That's kinda where I see/hope Virtanen.
- LeftCoaster

And would you still label him 'bust' if he put up those kind of numbers?

Jake is not a "truculent" player. He's a good third line energy guy who is now chipping in offensively and he can move up when he's rolling. That's not a bad thing.

Chris Kreider, as I mentioned earlier, I think Nucker originally came up with that comparison, was 22 when he came onto the Rangers scene full-time and scored 17 goals 37 points. Then he has three 20 goal seasons 43-53 points. That's kinda where I see/hope Virtanen.
- LeftCoaster

Jake is truck

Assists are for players that can't shoot
- VANTEL

That was me. I had 112 assists and only 14 goals one season. My center men had 92 goals. We were dynamic. I have a lot of trophies from that season. Trophies that only we got for winning, none of that thanks for trying poop ones.