Ha!

I wonder if there are parameters...
- Atomic Wedgie

Probably we had better edit his wikipedia page.

edit : /s

How do you guys talk about acquiring Piets when there’s no way they could afford him?

Isn’t this all redundant?

What whrong with our D? Seriously, maybe Rosen can actually play with Rielly? What if Lily and Sandy are actually really solid? Wouldn’t it be great it we traded Nylander or Kappy for a declining Dman who makes 8mil plus?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

if Z is in the deal they can absolutely afford him. There isn't any doubt there....

And Nylander would not be in the deal. What if? What if they turn out to be bottom pairing D. And Petro is a really good d man...don't start trying to say otherwise. He is 28 ffs.

if Z is in the deal they can absolutely afford him. There isn't any doubt there....

And Nylander would not be in the deal. What if? What if they turn out to be bottom pairing D. And Petro is a really good d man...don't start trying to say otherwise. He is 28 ffs.
- Santo_44

Zaitsev would have to be in the deal to make the $$ work on both sides..
The concern is what else we would have to give up, I get that.

However, if it was Zaitsev, Johnsson, Liljegren and a 1st for Pietrangelo and Bortuzzo, I wouldn't even hesitate to do that deal.

i was going off the Johnsson/Z/Lily/1st

thats getting to the max imo. its a more valuable package than what SJ gave up
- senstroll

Yeah, that is a hefty price.

But if you tinker with the conditions which I would bet would be a major part of the picks involved in a potential trade how does it look?

Johnsson/Z/Lily/2021 conditional 1st(condition being on that the Leafs must make the cup final in the two years Petro is on the team)

or take out Lily and...

Johnsson/Z/2019 1st/conditional 2021 first(same condition)

to Toronto: Hjalmarsson + Clayton Keller


to Arizona : Nylander + Johnsson + 1st rounder + Nathan Horton (and his caphit)
- plantheparade

1. Hjalmarsson is UFA at the end of the season and has seen his icetime diminished in 4 consecutive years. He's certainly an upgrade on the right side but that's not saying too much.

2. Keller may end up costing more than Nylander after next season. I think he's a dynamic player but he would make our team even smaller than before.

3. Johnsson has started to find a real groove, will not be asking for big, big money on his next contract -- why are we throwing him in a deal that won't bring us back a true #1 RHD?

4. The Leafs should never be in the business of trading 1sts unless the return so obviously puts them over the top. I don't think this is that type of deal.

5. Why are we contemplating trading Willie right now? Let's wait to see how he plays with AM34 after he's had a few games under his belt.

Zaitsev would have to be in the deal to make the $$ work on both sides..
The concern is what else we would have to give up, I get that.

However, if it was Zaitsev, Johnsson, Liljegren and a 1st for Pietrangelo and Bortuzzo, I wouldn't even hesitate to do that deal.
- PatC80

Yup, all secondary pieces.

I wouldn't hesitate.

if Z is in the deal they can absolutely afford him. There isn't any doubt there....

And Nylander would not be in the deal. What if? What if they turn out to be bottom pairing D. And Petro is a really good d man...don't start trying to say otherwise. He is 28 ffs.
- Santo_44

Look at the best defensemen in the league right now.. Rielly, Chabot, Dahlin, Heiskenen.. The NHL is trending towards these young guys getting paid earlier. This waiting til your FA summer to cash in is trending downwards. Tavares probably got paid too much at $11mil. Eichel, Connor, Nylander, and soon Matthews and Marner are all cashing in huge. Why overpay for a guy like Piets who’ll only be worth his contract for the first couple seasons.

Zaitsev would have to be in the deal to make the $$ work on both sides..
The concern is what else we would have to give up, I get that.

However, if it was Zaitsev, Johnsson, Liljegren and a 1st for Pietrangelo and Bortuzzo, I wouldn't even hesitate to do that deal.
- PatC80

Leafs 👏 can’t 👏 afford 👏 him👏

Look at the best defensemen in the league right now.. Rielly, Chabot, Dahlin, Heiskenen.. The NHL is trending towards these young guys getting paid earlier. This waiting til your FA summer to cash in is trending downwards. Tavares probably got paid too much at $11mil. Eichel, Connor, Nylander, and soon Matthews and Marner are all cashing in huge. Why overpay for a guy like Piets who’ll only be worth his contract for the first couple seasons.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Come on man. These are not the top D in the game right now. They all will be one day but they are not right now.

They are young and shiny which makes everyone oblivious to the fact they are sheltered.

And Yes, all three of those players have been sheltered this year...like an 20 year old D.

Yup, all secondary pieces.

I wouldn't hesitate.
- Santo_44

How do you know Liljegren is a "secondary" piece? He's a 19 year old d-man and we've already decided he's never going to amount to anything but a bottom 4 guy?

I would most definitely hesitate throwing him in any deal - especially for a d-man who is UFA after next season and will be looking for a massive contract. Piets is gonna get paaaaaid.

Come on man. These are not the top D in the game right now. They all will be one day but they are not right now.

They are young and shiny which makes everyone oblivious to the fact they are sheltered.

And Yes, all three of those players have been sheltered this year...like an 20 year old D.
- Santo_44

These guys will make bank.

Life comes at you fast. NHL owners would rather pay young guys who haven’t reached their potential yet rather than pay guys who’ll soon be declining.

How do you know Liljegren is a "secondary" piece? He's a 19 year old d-man and we've already decided he's never going to amount to anything but a bottom 4 guy?

I would most definitely hesitate throwing him in any deal - especially for a d-man who is UFA after next season and will be looking for a massive contract. Piets is gonna get paaaaaid.
- mjones242

People have lost their collective minds.

They get these players in their head and suddenly he becomes the knight in shining armour and all our current players and prospects are poop compared to this stud..

to Toronto: Hjalmarsson + Clayton Keller


to Arizona : Nylander + Johnsson + 1st rounder + Nathan Horton (and his caphit)
- plantheparade

That depends on two things:

1> How blackout drunk and/or high Dubas is when he takes the call. Maybe calling during the Leafs Christmas party would be a good bet.

2> He forgets that he has to consult with Shanahan before he pulls the trigger on a major trade. Being blackout drunk might help with this one.

Oh, and there's a:

3> Dubas enjoys unemployment.

Leafs 👏 can’t 👏 afford 👏 him👏
- Arctic_AARDVARK

They could make it work.

Right now, Pietrangelo's cap hit is $6.5M. After 2020, then we can worry, but for now.. They can make 6.5M work if part of the deal includes Zaitsev and his $4.5M cap hit.

People have lost their collective minds.

They get these players in their head and suddenly he becomes the knight in shining armour and all our current players and prospects are poop compared to this stud..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Maybe, but ask yourself this.. For this season and next, would Pietrangelo or Liljegren give us a better shot at the Cup?

Maybe, but ask yourself this.. For this season and next, would Pietrangelo or Liljegren give us a better shot at the Cup?
- PatC80

NOW THAT'S A TOUGH ONE.

Maybe, but ask yourself this.. For this season and next, would Pietrangelo or Liljegren give us a better shot at the Cup?
- PatC80

I don’t subscribe to that ideology..

Leafs need to focus on the long-term. Signing Tavares was a huge boost both short and long-term. I believe signing Piets long-term greatly limits the options they would have down the road. The #1 priority right now should be to lockup Matthews and Marner. Let’s wait to see exactly what our cap situation looks like before we go adding another giant contract.

I don’t subscribe to that ideology..

Leafs need to focus on the long-term. Signing Tavares was a huge boost both short and long-term. I believe signing Piets long-term greatly limits the options they would have down the road. The #1 priority right now should be to lockup Matthews and Marner. Let’s wait to see exactly what our cap situation looks like before we go adding another giant contract.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Maybe, but ask yourself this.. For this season and next, would Pietrangelo or Liljegren give us a better shot at the Cup?
- PatC80

Ask yourself these questions:

1. Do the Leafs have to win the Cup in the next two seasons before their window is closed?

2. Does trading Liljegren, Johnnson, and a 1st hurt their Cup chances in the future? All 3 of these pieces may be even more valuable assets given time.

Seems like way too high a price to gamble that Alex P is the piece that puts them over the top.

More pressing question: Is Meng Wanzhou released on bail or will she rot in jail?

Ask yourself these questions:

1. Do the Leafs have to win the Cup in the next two seasons before their window is closed?

2. Does trading Liljegren, Johnnson, and a 1st hurt their Cup chances in the future? All 3 of these pieces may be even more valuable assets given time.

Seems like way too high a price to gamble that Alex P is the piece that puts them over the top.
- mjones242

There is a good chance the Leafs can't have Johnnson and Liljegren on the team in 3 years because of the cap.

There is no need to hoard.

Even with their age how does anyone actually believe that Keith-Seabrook wouldn't be a solid pair for Toronto with Rielly; better than Gardiner-Zaitsev. They bring leadership and clearly can still play big enough in the playoffs
- AlfieisKing

5 and 6 years remaining on contracts for 33 and 35 year old defencemen, wonder why only the person who is a sens fan wants them on the leafs

There's someone really smart on here that tells us that anyone should be available for a trade if it makes the team better.

Then we usually laugh and tell him to shut the (frank) up.
- TrashPanda

Getting better is good...but not at the cost of long term success.
I would trade any single player on the leafs (Matthews, Marner, etc...) if it made us better - but not better for just 1 or 2 yrs...has to be something that makes the Leafs better now and in the future (at least that's what you hope for).

I don't mind going after guys that have shorter contracts but it just depends on the assets you are giving up. That deal discussed for Piet is just too much IMO, unless he signs an extension.....but Atomic mentioned he can't sign till July so it's a conundrum!!

Look at the best defensemen in the league right now.. Rielly, Chabot, Dahlin, Heiskenen.. The NHL is trending towards these young guys getting paid earlier. This waiting til your FA summer to cash in is trending downwards. Tavares probably got paid too much at $11mil. Eichel, Connor, Nylander, and soon Matthews and Marner are all cashing in huge. Why overpay for a guy like Piets who’ll only be worth his contract for the first couple seasons.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Piet is only 28yrs old...he should have several good years in him.

Leafs 👏 can’t 👏 afford 👏 him👏
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Subtract Zaitsev and Gardiner - leafs can afford him.