Hainsey see's tougher comp most nights and still puts up similiar #'s to Z.

Z is a puck chaser and doesnt seem to stay on his man or in his spot in our end.

But...he's looked better then last year, but making what he does I think he should be better JMO
- Garnie

Zaitsev is turning into a classic stay-at-home defenseman, good at breaking up the cycle, absorbing hits, but mediocre breakout/passing abilities, so he needs to be paired with a puck mover like Gardiner.

Hainsey has really regressed since last year. He'd be ok playing limited minutes on his strong side, but we don't have that luxury, or Babcock won't do it.

Honestly, I think it's time to try Dermott on the right side with Rielly:

Rielly Dermott
Gardiner Zaitsev
Hainsey Oz

This is the one thing that everyone seems to forget.
- TrashPanda

Oh, I am fully aware Matthews, or any player for that matter has to agree to the offer sheet.. What bothers me, is people like Gord Miller, and others in the media that poop on the Leafs.

I don't see Arizona risking 4 1st round picks to sign Matthews for 4 years, after which he can walk, just to handcuff a team that isn't even in their conference.
- Atomic Wedgie

And if they're willing to toss 15/16 milly per season on the table then AM will demand it over 8 years. UFA in 4 years is nice but big cash in hand is nicer.

Your math doesn't quite work, as if we trade two guys on our 23 man roster for Doughty, you need to account for Doughty's salary + the other guy we now odd to the 23 man roster.

Which yes, could be league minimum.
- Atomic Wedgie

Listen, my math never quites work.
Again, not saying we trade melander but in garnies scenerio, if we move out those two peeps for doughboy, we save money.
Forget the reality that we will be short a roster player.
Thats dubas reality....not mine for this specific example. Lol

But you could bring up an ahler to fill a spot lower in the line up

Admittedly couldn't tell you what the current intel is on both of them. AP was reaching god-like status 2-3 years ago but that's gone a little quiet with the Blues winning less. I don't think CP has ever hit that status but he's younger.

Karlsson and McDonough trades probably establish the precedent/price for either of them.

What do the analytics say about both?
- The Law

imo CP is the better asset beause of the reaons mentioned. age/contract

Both are good, I saw someone looking at AP numbers with Jaybo and he is dragged down a lot by him. He is good

Oh, I am fully aware Matthews, or any player for that matter has to agree to the offer sheet.. What bothers me, is people like Gord Miller, and others in the media that poop on the Leafs.
- PatC80

It doesn't bother me, we all know that they rarely have anything to talk about so they have to make poop up. It bothers me more that people who should know better come on here and parrot it as fact.

Listen, my math never quites work.
Again, not saying we trade melander but in garnies scenerio, if we move out those two peeps for doughboy, we save money.
Forget the reality that we will be short a roster player.
Thats dubas reality....not mine for this specific example. Lol

But you could bring up an ahler to fill a spot lower in the line up
- Fakepartofme

Theoretically, it could work..

but 3 players at $11M and Marner at what, like $9M? would be hard to fit everyone

Rosen would definitely be up here, with his $750K cap hit.. Ennis would probably be re-singed to another $650k deal. Probably Bracco/Marchment would be up here as well.

Oh, I am fully aware Matthews, or any player for that matter has to agree to the offer sheet.. What bothers me, is people like Gord Miller, and others in the media that poop on the Leafs.
- PatC80

Gord usually doesn't. But he can be cynical at times

this is great, Ferraro lol

https://twitter.com/arvi/...tatus/1072487566425903104

I just hate that people will listen to hayes and agree with him and poop on a player who just came back into the lineup...thank (frank) Ray knows whats up

Zaitsev is turning into a classic stay-at-home defenseman, good at breaking up the cycle, absorbing hits, but mediocre breakout/passing abilities, so he needs to be paired with a puck mover like Gardiner.

Hainsey has really regressed since last year. He'd be ok playing limited minutes on his strong side, but we don't have that luxury, or Babcock won't do it.

Honestly, I think it's time to try Dermott on the right side with Rielly:

Rielly Dermott
Gardiner Zaitsev
Hainsey Oz
- gravyface

I don't think you'll see it happen this year.

i am curious what people think.

Who would cost more to acquire, Alex P or Colton P from the blues?
- senstroll

None of both.
That is, if you want to keep Nylander (which I assume Leafs' plan is).
Leafs simply don't have the capspace to add a top4 D-man over 5million/caphit.

Next year it will probably

Rielly - Zaitsev - Dermott

then some sort of combination of Rosen, Borgman and some other young d-man or Gardiner (depending on his ask).

Unless they deal Marleau - which i think is very unlikely (unless Leafs win SC this year and he decides that was it).

this is great, Ferraro lol

https://twitter.com/arvi/...tatus/1072487566425903104

I just hate that people will listen to hayes and agree with him and poop on a player who just came back into the lineup...thank (frank) Ray knows whats up
- senstroll

Willie will be fine, he'll be on pace for his 12 5v5 goals soon.

imo CP is the better asset beause of the reaons mentioned. age/contract

Both are good, I saw someone looking at AP numbers with Jaybo and he is dragged down a lot by him. He is good
- senstroll

If I'm the Blues I'm more likely to dangle AP but they'll be looking to hit a homerun on either.

I think it's way more likely the Leafs find an expiring contract to slide into that top 4 role heading into the playoffs. Will cost less and will leave them flexibility going into the summer.

Flexibility on the cap is going to be critical. Everybody around the league is going to be waiting to see which team/elite RFA is the first to blink. I actually think it might be Matthews. He's going to get whatever he wants to get. McDavid took 12.5 b/c he thought it was fair ...said he was offered more but was concerned about appearance. I think that the "super elite" guys like Matthews will at least consider that same approach.

this is great, Ferraro lol

https://twitter.com/arvi/...tatus/1072487566425903104

I just hate that people will listen to hayes and agree with him and poop on a player who just came back into the lineup...thank (frank) Ray knows whats up
- senstroll

Meh, im not a big fan of ray but hes right, gotta give melander more than two games and two practices.

It doesn't bother me, we all know that they rarely have anything to talk about so they have to make poop up. It bothers me more that people who should know better come on here and parrot it as fact.
- TrashPanda

That part I agree with. Just because someone like Gord Miller says something like; "Offersheeting Matthews, puts the Leafs over the cap and gets Matthews closer to UFA status." doesn't make it true..

How often is an offer-sheet actually signed? How many times are they matched?

Listen, my math never quites work.
Again, not saying we trade melander but in garnies scenerio, if we move out those two peeps for doughboy, we save money.
Forget the reality that we will be short a roster player.
Thats dubas reality....not mine for this specific example. Lol

But you could bring up an ahler to fill a spot lower in the line up
- Fakepartofme

One thing I know about Doughty is he’s played with a scrub of a partner for the majority of his career. You could put a 800k cap hit D man and that pairing would still flourish.

If I'm the Blues I'm more likely to dangle AP but they'll be looking to hit a homerun on either.

I think it's way more likely the Leafs find an expiring contract to slide into that top 4 role heading into the playoffs. Will cost less and will leave them flexibility going into the summer.

Flexibility on the cap is going to be critical. Everybody around the league is going to be waiting to see which team/elite RFA is the first to blink. I actually think it might be Matthews. He's going to get whatever he wants to get. McDavid took 12.5 b/c he thought it was fair ...said he was offered more but was concerned about appearance. I think that the "super elite" guys like Matthews will at least consider that same approach.
- The Law

Elder

Elder is the only expiring contract that has a realistic chance of being traded. Yeah no thanks.

That part I agree with. Just because someone like Gord Miller says something like; "Offersheeting Matthews, puts the Leafs over the cap and gets Matthews closer to UFA status." doesn't make it true..

How often is an offer-sheet actually signed? How many times are they matched?
- PatC80

How many times are they actually offered? Yes, technically it's a thing, but functionally it hardly ever happens.

Why Arizona? Is it just because that's where he's originally from and the team has space to make stupid decisions? Every time I'm offered a job where I originally come from my reply is always '(frank) no,' no matter how good the offer is.

How many times are they actually offered? Yes, technically it's a thing, but functionally it hardly ever happens.

Why Arizona? Is it just because that's where he's originally from and the team has space to make stupid decisions? Every time I'm offered a job where I originally come from my reply is always '(frank) no,' no matter how good the offer is.
- TrashPanda

The leafs are (frank)ed because they have to pay him 11-12 million but another team isn’t (frank)ed if they pay him 15-16 million.

It’s just something people like to talk about to rag on the leafs and sadly a lot of Leaf fans give into it.

A radio host said it best a week ago. He said “only Leaf fans can have this good of a team and still not enjoy it”.

The leafs are (frank)ed because they have to pay him 11-12 million but another team isn’t (frank)ed if they pay him 15-16 million.

It’s just something people like to talk about to rag on the leafs and sadly a lot of Leaf fans give into it.

A radio host said it best a week ago. He said “only Leaf fans can have this good of a team and still not enjoy it”.
- Santo_44

This I agree with 120%. It seems like so many aren't happy unless they are miserable, which is sad. What's worse is they want to drag everyone else who might be happy down with them - it's plain UGly. Perhaps we should plan a parade in their honour?

Gord Miller was saying a team like Arizona, could really handcuff the Leafs, if they offer Matthews an offer sheet of 4 years at $16M per season. It puts them over the cap and gets Matthews closer to UFA status.

Also, I now hate Gord Miller, because reasons.
- PatC80

If Matthews were to sign that deal, it would speak volumes about him and his desire to play for a perennial none playoff team.....even with him, they would be a bottom feeder.

So if that were to happen (and I would bet big that it never will - and hope as well it never will), than I would say don't let the door hit your ass on the way out - take the Zona picks as they will be top 8 draft picks every year.

One thing I know about Doughty is he’s played with a scrub of a partner for the majority of his career. You could put a 800k cap hit D man and that pairing would still flourish.
- Santo_44

It's an interesting thought, Santsie.

Instead of looking at Doughty's $11 million cap hit, maybe we look at the combined cap hit of the top pairing.

Is Doughty plus a $2 million d-guy better than two guys at $6.5 million?

I don't watch a lot of LA games (as in, none - my parents don't let me stay up that late), but I'm very wary of taking on a 30 year old for the next eight years.

That just smells like paying a guy for past performance.

When you factor in the boatload of what we would have to give up, I'm not in favour.

If Matthews were to sign that deal, it would speak volumes about him and his desire to play for a perennial none playoff team.....even with him, they would be a bottom feeder.

So if that were to happen (and I would bet big that it never will - and hope as well it never will), than I would say don't let the door hit your ass on the way out - take the Zona picks as they will be top 8 draft picks every year.
- Cooshie

It's not happening so I don't even know why we wear out our fingers discussing it.

How many times are they actually offered? Yes, technically it's a thing, but functionally it hardly ever happens.

Why Arizona? Is it just because that's where he's originally from and the team has space to make stupid decisions? Every time I'm offered a job where I originally come from my reply is always '(frank) no,' no matter how good the offer is.
- TrashPanda

that's exactly my point.. WTF do media people in Toronto do that?

Why are no teams lining up to offer sheet Laine or Aho or Rantanen or Connor or Meier or Werenski.?

The leafs are (frank)ed because they have to pay him 11-12 million but another team isn’t (frank)ed if they pay him 15-16 million.

It’s just something people like to talk about to rag on the leafs and sadly a lot of Leaf fans give into it.

A radio host said it best a week ago. He said “only Leaf fans can have this good of a team and still not enjoy it”.
- Santo_44

oh so true but I'm enjoying the ride so far.