-10 this year: on pace to top his -30 from last year

1 goal - on pace for 3.8 goals instead of his 4 from last year

On pace for 8 points - half of what he had last year

19 pims (14 without the fighting major)

50.14 F/O %

Sorry sir, he's useless
- jcragcrumple

Every Post-


Larsson this , Larsson that.

Give it a rest. We get it, you don't like 22 or 28.

They don't score, so they can't possibly be an important part of a checking/defensive line.

Larsson has played pretty good
So has sam lately, but you will never say "Larsson played well"

It was awesome to see him score and then drop that dude 4 seconds later.

And I know, sam is just as likely to fight as larsson right?

No one on here is sucking larsson's nuts, arguing with you. - like the sam lovers

A lot has happened these last few months. You missed the egging of Eichel becuase he only had 5 goals over the first 25 games of the year. So in turn I started a Reinhart poopfest.
- Pegullaville

Well played

Every Post-


Larsson this , Larsson that.

Give it a rest. We get it, you don't like 22 or 28.

They don't score, so they can't possibly be an important part of a checking/defensive line.

Larsson has played pretty good
So has sam lately, but you will never say "Larsson played well"

It was awesome to see him score and then drop that dude 4 seconds later.

And I know, sam is just as likely to fight as larsson right?

No one on here is sucking larsson's nuts, arguing with you. - like the sam lovers
- Boss34

Something something glass houses.

I don't know why you're choosing to see this as me defending him. I dont care about the 4th line C making 1.475 mil** (had to), my point is that he's not the biggest problem with this team, not even close.

The building is on fire, mom's having a seizure, and you're choosing to focus on the leaky faucet?

That's why everyone has been going "what about.." Not because we think larsson is the bomb.com, but because it doesnt make any sense.

What's the cost of replacing Larsson? one phone call and maybe a draft pick, send him down, bring someone up or trade for someone.

What's the cost of replacing a top 4 guy, being paid top 4 money but playing like a 7th d-man? At best, you're sending him down, still paying him something like 3.6 million, and giving up a ton of assets to bring in an actual top 4 d-man.

That's why I dismiss larsson as a problem. Not because he's "good" by any stretch, but because fixing that particular issue presents virtually no challenge right now.
- Sabresfan-365

You are killing this argument. Well done.

Just dominating the banter

damn
- homiedclown

Larsson makes $1.5m

Also, Larsson conversations always turn into "what aboutisms"

"Yeah, he's not great, but what about..." That's usually the number 1 defense of him
- jcragcrumple

I'm so tired of defending a guy I really don't care about.

#1 defense of him is: up 1, dzone draw again Stamkos....Phil is putting out Larsson every time.

Call him useless all you want, but to Phil, he's extremely valuable.

Something something glass houses.
- Wetbandit1

I cant even argue with you bandit. 👍👏

I'm sick of myself arguing about Sam.

I've seen a couple great nhl passes and that nice tip on the goal lately. It's hard to not connect his recent point success: to being on eichel's line.

My biggest knock on sam was : lack of emotion

He seems pretty fired up lately. Good to see.

LA is playing tonight, Quick is in goal, Looks like we are getting Cal Peterson tomorrow night...

Every Post-


Larsson this , Larsson that.

Give it a rest. We get it, you don't like 22 or 28.

They don't score, so they can't possibly be an important part of a checking/defensive line.

Larsson has played pretty good
So has sam lately, but you will never say "Larsson played well"

It was awesome to see him score and then drop that dude 4 seconds later.

And I know, sam is just as likely to fight as larsson right?

No one on here is sucking larsson's nuts, arguing with you. - like the sam lovers
- Boss34

Please stop

nice boneheaded play by Russel Wilson at the end of the half... WOW

I’ll take Larsson and Girg’s as my shut down guys that can kill penalties and bring energy when needed all day long. These guys are glue on every single winning team. They make peanuts. They’re not goal scorers. You NEED these guys. They have a specific role.

Point the finger at guys like Okposo. Or Erod. If the guy ever learned not to turn the puck over he’d have value. Unfortunately he’s a turnover machine. Sobotka and Berglund are expensive underachievers but can’t be moved.

Point the finger at these four guys that bring NOTHING to the table.

I cant even argue with you bandit. 👍👏

I'm sick of myself arguing about Sam.

I've seen a couple great nhl passes and that nice tip on the goal lately. It's hard to not connect his recent point success: to being on eichel's line.

My biggest knock on sam was : lack of emotion

He seems pretty fired up lately. Good to see.
- Boss34

His numbers last year away from Eichel were better than this year. So far he's got a little over 70% of his EV points with Jack; last year was only about 17%. And about 70% on the PP this year and 85% last year.

So you're not wrong, but a lot of players get a lot of their points from great players including what is universally regarded as "the pick" there, in Draisaitl(79% and 100% EV and PP this year respectively. Last year was about 50% and 100%).

Sam is what he is, a really solid 2nd line guy and PP specialist. It's unfortunate he was drafted 2nd overall, but Draisaitl has an even higher percentage of his points with McDavid than Reinhart does with Eichel, and we could have Sam Bennett instead who was also very much in the discussion. There are a lot of misses, Bennett, Dal Colle(6 whole NHL games played, ouch), Virtanen, Ritchie, in the top 10 of that draft.

How many 4th line centers have more than say, 3 goals right now?

His numbers last year away from Eichel were better than this year. So far he's got a little over 70% of his EV points with Jack; last year was only about 17% . And about 70% on the PP this year and 85% last year.

So you're not wrong, but a lot of players get a lot of their points from great players including what is universally regarded as "the pick" there, in Draisaitl(79% and 100% EV and PP this year respectively. Last year was about 50% and 100%).

Sam is what he is, a really solid 2nd line guy and PP specialist. It's unfortunate he was drafted 2nd overall, but Draisaitl has an even higher percentage of his points with McDavid than Reinhart does with Eichel, and we could have Sam Bennett instead who was also very much in the discussion. There are a lot of misses, Bennett, Dal Colle(6 whole NHL games played, ouch), Virtanen, Ritchie, in the top 10 of that draft.
- Wetbandit1

Well he did have an experienced center last year (besides Jack). I know I know...

I’ll take Larsson and Girg’s as my shut down guys that can kill penalties and bring energy when needed all day long. These guys are glue on every single winning team. They make peanuts. They’re not goal scorers. You NEED these guys. They have a specific role.

Point the finger at guys like Okposo. Or Erod. If the guy ever learned not to turn the puck over he’d have value. Unfortunately he’s a turnover machine. Sobotka and Berglund are expensive underachievers but can’t be moved.

Point the finger at these four guys that bring NOTHING to the table.
- Pairo11

stop

Well he did have an experienced center last year (besides Jack). I know I know...
- gordong

Said experienced center received a bump from Sam. Unfortunately Dobber doesn't want to show with whom ROR got his points last year. The first time I've run into that on the site. But IIRC JCrag posted something from the Athletic to the effect that Sam helped ROR last year.

His numbers last year away from Eichel were better than this year. So far he's got a little over 70% of his EV points with Jack; last year was only about 17%. And about 70% on the PP this year and 85% last year.

So you're not wrong, but a lot of players get a lot of their points from great players including what is universally regarded as "the pick" there, in Draisaitl(79% and 100% EV and PP this year respectively. Last year was about 50% and 100%).

Sam is what he is, a really solid 2nd line guy and PP specialist. It's unfortunate he was drafted 2nd overall, but Draisaitl has an even higher percentage of his points with McDavid than Reinhart does with Eichel, and we could have Sam Bennett instead who was also very much in the discussion. There are a lot of misses, Bennett, Dal Colle(6 whole NHL games played, ouch), Virtanen, Ritchie, in the top 10 of that draft.
- Wetbandit1

Doubt Edmonton would read this post and be convinced that they should call jbotts and offer leon for sam straight up.

Doubt Edmonton would read this post and be convinced that they should call jbotts and offer leon for sam straight up.
- Boss34

They've made two worse one for one trades already. Man that Gm is dumb

They've made two worse one for one trades already. Man that Gm is dumb
- Sabresfan-365

Good point. 😃

Pretty sure sam and leon do not command the same value thru out the league.

Leon is really living up to his #3 overall status in such a week draft.

But you know: he didn't draft himself and he couldn't have possibly worked hard to back up the high selection.

Doubt Edmonton would read this post and be convinced that they should call jbotts and offer leon for sam straight up.
- Boss34

Neither do I, nor would anyone in their right mind. It's just to illustrate that that the argument that a player rides another's coattails is just as true for other good players as it is for Sam. It's the nature of the beast.

Neither do I, nor would anyone in their right mind. It's just to illustrate that that the argument that a player rides another's coattails is just as true for other good players as it is for Sam. It's the nature of the beast.
- Wetbandit1

I'm sure there's other #2 picks that dont ride the coattails of a mega superstar.


Malkin seems like a pretty good hockey player.

Without Crosby??

I'm sure there's other #2 picks that dont ride the coattails of a mega superstar.


Malkin seems like a pretty good hockey player.

Without Crosby??
- Boss34

Ok, let's say the Sabres picked Draisaitl. You really don't think Eichel would make him better? Other than one playoff series Draisaitl hasn't done anything to speak of away from McDavid. Another center who can't carry a line.

Ok, let's say the Sabres picked Draisaitl. You really don't think Eichel would make him better? Other than one playoff series Draisaitl hasn't done anything to speak of away from McDavid. Another center who can't carry a line.
- Wetbandit1

We probably wouldn't have dahlin, if we picked draisaitl.

Ok, let's say the Sabres picked Draisaitl. You really don't think Eichel would make him better? Other than one playoff series Draisaitl hasn't done anything to speak of away from McDavid. Another center who can't carry a line.
- Wetbandit1

His second year he had like 35 points in 34 games when McDavid was hurt

His second year he had like 35 points in 34 games when McDavid was hurt
- sbroads24

Ok, that's the second thing. IIRC Sam played really well when Eichel went down too. Yeah, he's better than Sam, but pretending he doesn't massively benefit from McDavid just like Sam does from Eichel is outright lunacy.