Huh? Oesterle was traded to the Yotes along Hino in the Hossa salary cap dump deal.
- BMWChiFan

My point there was that most likely a draft choice would be renumeration for player dumps. However, Oesterle was eliminated as an extra body on defense when he was part of that trade.

It is possible BTW that Murphy plays well at least in spurts or keeps improving by season end. Still I believe that he too eventually moves on. Simple math is too many genuine prospects in a crowded position and Murphy is probably the worst of the them in skating. I could imagine where he sticks around for a while, as he has more experience than all the kids on whom are on fast track (if they look good, those kids will be given opportunity).

I really wonder if Boqvist and Beaudin could start at Rockford and if a Davidson might go there to help balance out the youth with experience. Like Franson did last year.

I know critics say a prospect is always around and more of them turn out to barely sniff or not even make it to the NHL. Irregardless of how many kids make it to the Chicago or other NHL rosters one day, it really is an embarrassment of riches .....this quantity and quality among dmen. I doubt any other team is so flush heavy good.

Bowman and staff drafted well. It reminds me how on a larger scale the Islanders drafted dmen first round year after year, even acquired Hickey who was himself a #1. And not overlooked is Leddy another #1. Holy cow.
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Pd, I think you had that article of Kane's crazy amount of different line combinations. I think JC has surpassed that number in his short stint behind the bench. Haha.

Question for all
(... best posed on a friday night...)
Do we do a trade with Buffalo centered around Kane ++ for Dahlin ++?
(Picks/prospects/salary to balance, but those being the main pieces)

How do you know climate change is a fraud? Do you disbelieve the polar ice caps are melting? Do you not believe science? Do you not believe your own scientists, including NASA who spell out scientifically that climate change is real and is and will affect the earth? Other than conspiracy theories ie: globalist cabal, energy executives and theocratic nonsense, please provide a peer reviewed link that proves climate change is a hoax.
- paulr

I mean really what's the big deal if the ocean level rises 2 feet by the 22nd century.

Those little islands disappearing all of a sudden, no one was using them anyway

And common those forest fires are just a phase, those forests being so trendy.

Well to paraphrase Colliton, Perlini is a big body winger who can really skate but has no idea how to play without the puck.
- RickJ

Is this serious? I mean last game he played like what? 5 and a half minutes --- if Colliton thinks he can actually make that assessment, because if a shift is 90 seconds per ... that's like 3 or 4 shifts the entire game... just shaking my head.

Here's a crazy thought ... what if these guys decide to re-Runblad up the team by getting him back from SKA? I wouldn't do it, but since the current coach seems to have difficulty in assessing talent, giveaways, and general play ....
ok, no, stop thinking that ... it will happen

Question for all
(... best posed on a friday night...)
Do we do a trade with Buffalo centered around Kane ++ for Dahlin ++?
(Picks/prospects/salary to balance, but those being the main pieces)
- Slofire94

We have a lot of high impact top end skilled dmen coming, so I would not yet want to add to that position. If addition on defense, take a veteran.

Without the stud player on each team, respectively, you could witness a ruinous situation ........at minimum in Chicago. There would exist a toy pop gun offense, ie, not much hope to score. Which is a big hit on team morale. Such a team lacks confidence they can score. This is Chicago minus Kane. It would become irrelevant whom acquired for Kane.

Question for all
(... best posed on a friday night...)
Do we do a trade with Buffalo centered around Kane ++ for Dahlin ++?
(Picks/prospects/salary to balance, but those being the main pieces)
- Slofire94

Not a chance Buffalo parts with Dahlin for any combination of Hawks including Kane.

Not a chance Buffalo parts with Dahlin for any combination of Hawks including Kane.
- RickJ

Yeah, I can't imagine they'd do that either...though maybe if Stan included Gusto?

Yeah, I can't imagine they'd do that either...though maybe if Stan included Gusto?
- HawkintheD

Buffalo has a good team developing nicely under their new GM. I do not think he would upset the apple cart for Kane. If he made an offer, expect Dahlin not going the other way. Risky trading for Kane. Beside at least for this season Skinner is lighting it up.

Not a chance Buffalo parts with Dahlin for any combination of Hawks including Kane.
- RickJ

Bullpoop! There are at least a dozen guys on this site who KNOW otherwise.

Bullpoop! There are at least a dozen guys on this site who KNOW otherwise.
- paulr

Why would you want Dahlin when we have many good young dmen on the way AND considering we are short on top six forwards, particularly no really good forwards as in All Star Kane.

Sure Dahlin is the real deal but you cannot move Kane! Provide a logical explanation.

Why would you want Dahlin when we have many good young dmen on the way AND considering we are short on top six forwards, particularly no really good forwards as in All Star Kane.

Sure Dahlin is the real deal but you cannot move Kane! Provide a logical explanation.
- jhawk59

Ok, I'll try. Two reasons. 1) If you aren't winning now and building for the future, Dahlin would be a foundational piece...much like Boqvist, but this guy is considered possibly a generational talent on defense.

2) People trade (a lot) for defense. (ie Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson).

However...the Sabres aren't trading him.

Why would you want Dahlin when we have many good young dmen on the way AND considering we are short on top six forwards, particularly no really good forwards as in All Star Kane.

Sure Dahlin is the real deal but you cannot move Kane! Provide a logical explanation.
- jhawk59

I don't want Dahlin because I know there's no one the Hawks can deal to get him.

"IF" the Sabres were to offer Dahlin for Kane the Hawks would do it in a heartbeat

Ok, I'll try. Two reasons. 1) If you aren't winning now and building for the future, Dahlin would be a foundational piece...much like Boqvist, but this guy is considered possibly a generational talent on defense.

2) People trade (a lot) for defense. (ie Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson).

However...the Sabres aren't trading him.
- HawkintheD

Don't go wishing for the UNLIKELY

That we select #1 2019 stud forward
That we import or change the lineup to suit Colliton type team as we know from last season/Rockford.

Only way to extract Kane and Dahlin. I still do not make the swap. Even it I see Dahlin play and am impressed.

There is always those fantasy leagues with your own teams and you play using player cards, dice, charts, matrix. Computers can play the games or you could shuffle things and strategize. I suppose those exist still.

Ok, I'll try. Two reasons. 1) If you aren't winning now and building for the future, Dahlin would be a foundational piece...much like Boqvist, but this guy is considered possibly a generational talent on defense.

2) People trade (a lot) for defense. (ie Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson).

However...the Sabres aren't trading him.
- HawkintheD

Boqvist??? Generational talent??? Maybe generational AHL talent. This kid has Rundblad 2.0 written all over him.

rooting hard for the Go Kings Go ! tonight ! Lets go Kings

Losing culture - all who think that “tanking” for a top draft pick is a good idea - please consider the “losing culture” concept and what it really means for a rebuilding franchise - both to the vets and to the young players that you’d like to have winning attitudes.

AND to potential free agents you’d like to bring on going forward - who talk to their friends and would certainly hear talk of what the room and the attitudes are at the UC and MB ice arenas.

Money talks for free agents - but given equal offers - culture means something - and so does coaching. If Colliton can’t show the world that he is a legitimate NHL head coach (with legitimate NHL assistants behind him and a front office working well with the on-ice leaders) - why would any quality free agent with other options come here? The young, inexperienced head coach has about four months to prove that he is able to run a contender in the Show. Jury is still out (but the contract says two more years after this one).

Trades - the NMC/NTC provisions in all (?) of the veterans’ contracts will limit Bowman’s ability to move players out for a quality return. I’ve believed that the restrictive covenants were unavoidable for Cup winners in the 21st century NHL - but they will limit what Stan can do this spring and summer.

I fear this will not be an easy rebuild.
- StLBravesFan

I still say StanBow knew he was far far away from even a decent roster as evidenced by his not even sniffing FA 's like JVR. He knew and saved that cap money while adding guys for a yr that have skated an NHL shift without being a total embarrassment. ...... Either Stan is one of the few people on earth that will do the right thing even if it means he'll lose his job, wasting money on the JVR's of FA, or he was told your job is safe, do the unspoken rebuild.

Now the problem of moving the unmovable due to NMC's under the guise of the above......... I had not thought of this but a poster asked could it be that firing Q, bringing in a coach younger than the core to lose with this horrid roster be a way of getting the core to waive and say get me out of here?

No way of knowing for sure but it does make sense. You give this any credence?

I don't want Dahlin because I know there's no one the Hawks can deal to get him.

"IF" the Sabres were to offer Dahlin for Kane the Hawks would do it in a heartbeat
- paulr

Done in 1/100th of a heart beat. ....... We read/hear generational talent probably too often but Dahlin truly is one, as is Kane.

If BUFF is sniffing on Kane my guess is they start with Mittlestat +++ not Dahlin.

Boqvist??? Generational talent??? Maybe generational AHL talent. This kid has Rundblad 2.0 written all over him.
- DarthKane

I cannot get too excited about this crop of defencemen coming up after watching our current group of young undersized ones shying away from contact in our zone this season. Somewhere along the line we need to inject size and snarl to go with skill. Notice how Manson took care of business the other night in his zone. Opponents however are playing scrimmage hockey all night in our end.

Done in 1/100th of a heart beat. ....... We read/hear generational talent probably too often but Dahlin truly is one, as is Kane.

If BUFF is sniffing on Kane my guess is they start with Mittlestat +++ not Dahlin.
- Mr Ricochet

And Kane may be willing to waive his NMC to play in his hometown. As much as I'd hate to see any of the core moved it has to happen for the Hawks to move forward.

And Kane may be willing to waive his NMC to play in his hometown. As much as I'd hate to see any of the core moved it has to happen for the Hawks to move forward.
- paulr

Of all the core guys if Kaner were to be moved, even for a Dahlin, we as fans know the cup yrs and the remnants of them are gone.

That said if BUFF wants to make a Dahlin for Kane trade Hawks have to do that.

I still say StanBow knew he was far far away from even a decent roster as evidenced by his not even sniffing FA 's like JVR. He knew and saved that cap money while adding guys for a yr that have skated an NHL shift without being a total embarrassment. ...... Either Stan is one of the few people on earth that will do the right thing even if it means he'll lose his job, wasting money on the JVR's of FA, or he was told your job is safe, do the unspoken rebuild.

Now the problem of moving the unmovable due to NMC's under the guise of the above......... I had not thought of this but a poster asked could it be that firing Q, bringing in a coach younger than the core to lose with this horrid roster be a way of getting the core to waive and say get me out of here?

No way of knowing for sure but it does make sense. You give this any credence?
- Mr Ricochet

Personally, I view Stan neither a martyr nor a puppet master, just a guy that's painted himself into a corner with a roster of his own creation. This past off season, he sold McD and Rocky on the premise that a healthy Crawford and positive regression back to normal for most of his core would lead this team back to the playoffs. Occam's Razor- this is what the front office has said all along, even to this day. My bet is he thought Q had lost the room and his boy wonder would turn things around.

Done in 1/100th of a heart beat. ....... We read/hear generational talent probably too often but Dahlin truly is one, as is Kane.

If BUFF is sniffing on Kane my guess is they start with Mittlestat +++ not Dahlin.
- Mr Ricochet

And one is 10 years younger than the other.

I doubt that any sensible GM would trade a 18 year old potential top-5 in the league defenseman for a 30 year old top-5 in the league wing.

Cmon guys Buffalo is not going to trade Dahlen. Sorry were going to have to be a lottery team for a few years and hopefully hit a few home runs with our picks to get elite prospects

Personally, I view Stan neither a martyr nor a puppet master, just a guy that's painted himself into a corner with a roster of his own creation. This past off season, he sold McD and Rocky on the premise that a healthy Crawford and positive regression back to normal for most of his core would lead this team back to the playoffs. Occam's Razor- this is what the front office has said all along, even to this day. My bet is he thought Q had lost the room and his boy wonder would turn things around.
- Davewn

My bet is that he knew this roster was not built to make a run this year, and that it was now time to build for the future - with skaters and with coaches.

No matter how it plays out - he pulled the trigger on a bold move - an answer to those of us who thought he couldn’t do it, based on past trading history.

Of course - that trigger could be attached to a weapon aimed at his foot - but it’s a start - perhaps leading to bolder moves going forward.