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ajw12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.27.2017

Dec 7 @ 9:01 AM ET
We'll see. If his ceiling as the 2nd pick in a draft is a 45-50 point two way center, that is pretty underwhelming imo.
- PLindbergh31


I see his ceiling as a Scheifele type player and his floor as what you stated.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 7 @ 9:02 AM ET
Columbus put out Atkinson and Wennberg. Columbus top line in that situation would have Panarin on it. More likely they were trying to get Giroux away from Jones.
- MJL



I get that. I probably used the wrong wording in saying first line. More they like to get the Giroux trio a favorable matchup.
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

Dec 7 @ 9:03 AM ET
The bigger problem is after that Laughton gives a guy one cross check and he gets called. NHL officiating at its finest.
- MJL

I think this is the problem with 2 Refs...one guy will usually at least call the game the same...With 2, no chance...
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 7 @ 9:03 AM ET
In a high PK minute game AMac is going to have high minutes. Especially when Gudas is in the box for 4 minutes of the total penalty time
- dragonoffrost


15:19 at 5on5 for MacDonald, 12:19 for Sanheim, 2:43 for Lindblom.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 7 @ 9:04 AM ET


Patrick scores almost all of his goals on tips and rebounds in front of the net.



JVR scores almost all of his goals on tips and rebounds in front of the net.



Simmonds scores almost all of his goals on tips and rebounds in front of the net.



It's a really odd trio of players to put together on the same line.

- Tomahawk


It you don't stop trying to micromanage the coach, I'm going to have to ask you to leave. Thanks.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Dec 7 @ 9:04 AM ET
I'll agree to disagree. I honestly thought Coots was spent at the end of the game. The mistake he made is the kind of mistake good players make when they are fatigued. Sadly if the team had played a more consistent game throughout, we wouldn't even be talking about the OT today, but it is what it is.
- BiggE


That is the main reason why you do NOT want your top offensive players being used on the PK. G and Coots have improved the PK tremendously, but at what cost? Perfect world top 6 forwards make up PP and bottom 6 make up PK. We haven't had that luxury in a few years. If we had a multi-goal lead, then G and Coots get less PK time but it was a close game.

Only option, as you have stated many times, is find another C. I would prefer a 1C as I still believe Coots is perfectly suited as the 3C option. But a strong PK 3C is welcome as well.

Don't sleep on Stolie!

Don't sleep on Patrick! Kid will be fine. He is still learning the game and honestly, playing with JVR and Simmer is not ideal. I thought he looked much better with Lindblom. Hopefully that experiment is over and Hak shakes up Patty's line.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 7 @ 9:04 AM ET
Can we please for the love of god get Sanheim on pp2
- ajw12


It you don't stop trying to micromanage the coach, I'm going to have to ask you to leave. Thanks.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 7 @ 9:08 AM ET
That is the main reason why you do NOT want your top offensive players being used on the PK. G and Coots have improved the PK tremendously, but at what cost? Perfect world top 6 forwards make up PP and bottom 6 make up PK. We haven't had that luxury in a few years. If we had a multi-goal lead, then G and Coots get less PK time but it was a close game.

Only option, as you have stated many times, is find another C. I would prefer a 1C as I still believe Coots is perfectly suited as the 3C option. But a strong PK 3C is welcome as well.

Don't sleep on Stolie!

Don't sleep on Patrick! Kid will be fine. He is still learning the game and honestly, playing with JVR and Simmer is not ideal. I thought he looked much better with Lindblom. Hopefully that experiment is over and Hak shakes up Patty's line.

- cdearth23



Playing with a lead and having roster depth would help too. If you can actually be leading in a game it allows you to roll lines more evenlyat 5 on 5 so then your not over taxing your top players.

BUT your always going to lean on your top players and guys like Couturier and Giroux will always have high ice time.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 7 @ 9:08 AM ET


Patrick scores almost all of his goals on tips and rebounds in front of the net.



JVR scores almost all of his goals on tips and rebounds in front of the net.



Simmonds scores almost all of his goals on tips and rebounds in front of the net.



It's a really odd trio of players to put together on the same line.

- Tomahawk



You make an excellent point here.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 7 @ 9:10 AM ET
In a high PK minute game AMac is going to have high minutes. Especially when Gudas is in the box for 4 minutes of the total penalty time
- dragonoffrost


Please, it's Haks fault!
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 7 @ 9:14 AM ET
That is the main reason why you do NOT want your top offensive players being used on the PK. G and Coots have improved the PK tremendously, but at what cost? Perfect world top 6 forwards make up PP and bottom 6 make up PK. We haven't had that luxury in a few years. If we had a multi-goal lead, then G and Coots get less PK time but it was a close game.

Only option, as you have stated many times, is find another C. I would prefer a 1C as I still believe Coots is perfectly suited as the 3C option.

- cdearth23


Trade for a skilled UFA 1C like Duchene (last seen batting a puck out of mid air to beat the Flyers) and then Couturier goes back to 3C!

Wait, Couturier has outscored him since the start of the 17-18 season? Surely that can't be accurate.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...te,1&sort=evPoints,points
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 7 @ 9:14 AM ET
https://lastwordonhockey....d-junior-selection-camps/

Good list of guys. Ersson somebody I haven't paid attention to. Surprised about some non selections.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 7 @ 9:14 AM ET
Please, it's Haks fault!

- MJL


Over usage of the Hagg-MacDonald pairing at ES is entirely down to Hakstol. No one can blame Hextall anymore.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 7 @ 9:15 AM ET
Trade for a skilled UFA 1C Duchene (last seen batting a puck out of mid air to beat the Flyers) and then Couturier goes back to 3C!

Wait, Couturier has outscored him since the start of the 17-18 season? Surely that can't be accurate.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...te,1&sort=evPoints,points

- Feanor


Last seen limping off the ice with a groin injury last night
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Dec 7 @ 9:17 AM ET
Watching Anderson last night just had me hoping that is the kind of player Wade Allison can be.

I feel like the Flyers could use someone like him. Big, mean, pain in the ass but has offense and can skate pretty well.

- J35Bacher


And I'm sure this will be addressed regarding the current state of the team.
Having this meathead come into your own building taking runs, and crosschecks at everyone sets the tone for Columbus, and not the kind of hockey Holmgren wants to see.
On their heels the first 40 minutes they were lucky to get a point.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 7 @ 9:19 AM ET
And I'm sure this will be addressed regarding the current state of the team.
Having this meathead come into your own building taking runs, and crosschecks at everyone sets the tone for Columbus, and not the kind of hockey Holmgren wants to see.
On their heels the first 40 minutes they were lucky to get a point.

- puckhead17


Hak has no choice but to only give Sanheim meaningful minutes when the team is already down two goals. Not when the Hagg-Mac pairing is doing such a good job of generating defense. That's the job of a defenseman, after all. It's right there in the name.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Dec 7 @ 9:20 AM ET
Playing with a lead and having roster depth would help too. If you can actually be leading in a game it allows you to roll lines more evenlyat 5 on 5 so then your not over taxing your top players.

BUT your always going to lean on your top players and guys like Couturier and Giroux will always have high ice time.

- J35Bacher


Absolutely. We took a few penalties last night so G and Coots got a little extra ice time on PK.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Dec 7 @ 9:24 AM ET
As good as Stolie played it would be great to have a goalie that doesnt always give up a bad goal like that first one.

I equally blame Coots and Provy on that OT goal.Coots more for making a bad pass (easy to see on TV probably less easy to see as a player) and then getting beat on the boards.


Looks like another high producing season for Giroux as he is now well above a PPG this season. Not much to say on G other than love watching him play.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 7 @ 9:25 AM ET
Absolutely. We took a few penalties last night so G and Coots got a little extra ice time on PK.
- cdearth23


1/12 of a game on the PK isn't a little extra time
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Dec 7 @ 9:26 AM ET
Was just coming here to post this. I get last year coming off the hernia surgery.
He's currently without a point in 9 straight games. Unacceptable. Figures of course there is no Laine, or Eichel when the Flyers have the second pick. Part and parcel to the black cloud that hovers over this franchise.

Solid OT performance.

5 wins in 14 home games. That is pathetic.

- PLindbergh31



Of course you were, Radio
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Dec 7 @ 9:26 AM ET
Hak has no choice but to only give Sanheim meaningful minutes when the team is already down two goals. Not when the Hagg-Mac pairing is doing such a good job of generating defense. That's the job of a defenseman, after all. It's right there in the name.
- Feanor


No dipute here.
MacDonald has played well since returning to the lineup.

I'm speaking of Anderson taking uncontested runs all night.
That can't happen in your building, especially when they're getting out skated from the start.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 7 @ 9:27 AM ET
Unblocked shot map since we all love them

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 7 @ 9:28 AM ET
As good as Stolie played it would be great to have a goalie that doesnt always give up a bad goal like that first one.
- opeth_pa


That's the downside to being 6'6 in goal: hard to seal that 5-hole.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 7 @ 9:28 AM ET
No dipute here.
MacDonald has played well since returning to the lineup.

- puckhead17


He was poor on all three regulation goals against last night while contributing nothing offensively.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Dec 7 @ 9:28 AM ET
Unblocked shot map


- dragonoffrost



Interesting..Looks like from the point was not the top shot selection this game.
Still would like to see one of these charts that shows blocked and unblocked.
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