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CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Dec 4 @ 2:23 PM ET
You can protect 7 forwards, 3 defencemen and a goalie.

And any players with 2 years or less NHL experience are also protected.

It's really not that bad.

- Atomic Wedgie



Dahlin and Pilut will both need to be protected.. its not about Dahlin having to be protected its about who would be left available because of it. If it was 20/21 season like originally planned we don't have to even worry about Pilut or Dahlin.
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Dec 4 @ 2:24 PM ET
But when Okposo and Berglund have NTC you have to factor them in. If you can't trade them before the expansion draft, I think you must buy them out. Hopefully there is another amnesty buyout with the new CBA.
- adambuffalo



Berglund will be gone and Okposo will have 1? year left if he is still even here.


Edit: it will be Berglunds last year and he has to submit a 15 team NTC. So if Seattle isnt on there he would be exposed.

adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Dec 4 @ 2:29 PM ET
Berglund will be gone and Okposo will have 1? year left if he is still even here.


Edit: it will be Berglunds last year and he has to submit a 15 team NTC. So if Seattle isnt on there he would be exposed.

- CoHo_to_B-Lo


Okposo has the same 15 team NTC.
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Dec 4 @ 2:31 PM ET
Okposo has the same 15 team NTC.
- adambuffalo



Just seen that
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Dec 4 @ 2:34 PM ET


And any players with 2 years or less NHL experience are also protected.

- Atomic Wedgie


If this part is correct, does this play into call ups this season? If you can keep someone in Rochester so you don't have to protect them could be a factor in keeping guys down.
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Dec 4 @ 2:36 PM ET
If this part is correct, does this play into call ups this season? If you can keep someone in Rochester so you don't have to protect them could be a factor in keeping guys down.
- adambuffalo



That isnt how it works. It is the same as the Vegas draft. Once the ELC is over they are eligible. And Pilut was only on a 2 year so he is up for grabs too.
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Dec 4 @ 2:41 PM ET
That isnt how it works. It is the same as the Vegas draft. Once the ELC is over they are eligible. And Pilut was only on a 2 year so he is up for grabs too.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo


Everyone's ELC is up by the end of 20-21. Does that mean everyone in our system is available?
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Dec 4 @ 2:43 PM ET
Everyone's ELC is up by the end of 20-21. Does that mean everyone in our system is available?
- adambuffalo



That is on our team right now. I believe so yes, our picks this year will be protected though. It is really hard to even project anything right now as our roster could lok drastically different by then so who knows.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Dec 4 @ 3:04 PM ET
Yes... but 21-22 is a couple of years away. So anyone that is playing in the NHL now would need to be protected, right?

Who would you protect from the Leafs?

- ajb2493

If your question is who would I protect if the draft was tomorrow, that's easy:

Kadri
Kapanen
Marleau (I have to because he has a NMC)
Marner
Matthews
Tavares
Nylander (although technically speaking, I think I can leave him off until he plays his first game this year)

Defence? Oh hell, I don't need all three picks.

Gardiner
Rielly
Everybody else is except or poop. Maybe also protect Hainsey, because there's no point in wasting it.

Andersen

Biggest threat to get plucked? Brown or Hyman. Good players, but easily replaceable by the next guy in the line.

Now if you are asking 2 years from now, you'll have to allow me to make some assumptions.

Same forwards, but rermove Marleau. That leaves one slot open for whomever earns it.

Too soon to predict the defence. I'm guessing Gardiner is gone. Dermott will hopefully be good enough to make the list. I doubt that both Liljegren and Sandin see the NHL this year, so at least one of them can remain exempt. The rest is something we will need to examine in two years.

And hopefully Andersen is still playing well enough that I want to protect him.

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Dec 4 @ 3:07 PM ET
If this part is correct, does this play into call ups this season? If you can keep someone in Rochester so you don't have to protect them could be a factor in keeping guys down.
- adambuffalo

I may be wrong on this. The rule was:

* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

Let me figure out what "professionals" means - it might mean AHL or Euro League experience counts.

I'll be back.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Dec 4 @ 3:07 PM ET
That isnt how it works. It is the same as the Vegas draft. Once the ELC is over they are eligible. And Pilut was only on a 2 year so he is up for grabs too.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

For quick reference:

https://www.nhl.com/news/...n-draft-rules/c-281010592

CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Dec 4 @ 3:10 PM ET
I may be wrong on this. The rule was:

* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

Let me figure out what "professionals" means - it might mean AHL or Euro League experience counts.

I'll be back.

- Atomic Wedgie


AHL are pros.

It is why people like Carrier and Ullmark were available for us when it was Vegas turn. AHL or NHL time counts.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Dec 4 @ 3:12 PM ET
And just in case you were wondering what Buffalo did in 2017:

Buffalo Sabres

Protected players
Tyler Ennis (F)
Marcus Foligno (F)
Zemgus Girgensons (F)
Evander Kane (F)
Johan Larsson (F)
Ryan O'Reilly (F)
Kyle Okposo (F)
Nathan Beaulieu (D)
Jake McCabe (D)
Rasmus Ristolainen (D)
Robin Lehner (G)

Available players
William Carrier (F)
Nicolas Deslauriers (F)
Brian Gionta (F)
Derek Grant (F)
Justin Kea (F)
Matt Moulson (F)
Cal O'Reilly (F)
Cole Schneider (F)
Brady Austin (D)
Mathew Bodie (D)
Zach Bogosian (D)
Justin Falk (D)
Taylor Fedun (D)
Cody Franson (D)
Josh Gorges (D)
Dmitry Kulikov (D)
Anders Nilsson (G)
Linus Ullmark (G)
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Dec 4 @ 3:12 PM ET
AHL are pros.

It is why people like Carrier and Ullmark were available for us when it was Vegas turn. AHL or NHL time counts.

- CoHo_to_B-Lo

What about KHL or SEL?
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Dec 4 @ 3:13 PM ET
What about KHL or SEL?
- Atomic Wedgie



KHL are not i know for a fact. Thats why 26 year olds that have been playing "pro" hockey for 7 years can win the Calder in the NHL.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Dec 4 @ 3:15 PM ET
AHL are pros.

It is why people like Carrier and Ullmark were available for us when it was Vegas turn. AHL or NHL time counts.

- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Here's what I found (not a great source, I know):

Prospects
All players with fewer than three years of professional experience are automatically exempt from selection. This also includes unsigned draft picks, and signed players that have yet to play a game.

A year of professional experience is 10 professional games played under a NHL contract, including regular season and playoffs. For players who are aged 18 or 19* (on Sept. 15th of a given season), those specifically have to be NHL games. Everybody else it can be any league, as long as it’s under an NHL contract.
https://www.silversevense...ments-protection-exposure


- - - - - - - - - -

So if I'm reading this correctly, the clock starts ticking once you sign your NHL contract - whether it's in the NHL, AHL, or in theory a Euro league (not sure if that happens).
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Dec 4 @ 3:18 PM ET
Here's what I found (not a great source, I know):

Prospects
All players with fewer than three years of professional experience are automatically exempt from selection. This also includes unsigned draft picks, and signed players that have yet to play a game.

A year of professional experience is 10 professional games played under a NHL contract, including regular season and playoffs. For players who are aged 18 or 19* (on Sept. 15th of a given season), those specifically have to be NHL games. Everybody else it can be any league, as long as it’s under an NHL contract.
https://www.silversevense...ments-protection-exposure


- - - - - - - - - -

So if I'm reading this correctly, the clock starts ticking once you sign your NHL contract - whether it's in the NHL, AHL, or in theory a Euro league (not sure if that happens).

- Atomic Wedgie


Yeah so everyone you have now in your system will be available. Picks made this offseason will be protected.

I think the Euro guys arent usually on an NHL contract?
ziffles
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.19.2010

Dec 4 @ 3:20 PM ET
YOUR DEAD MEAT!!!!!! lol we re gonna help that inferiority complex you guys have feel a little bit more legitimate.
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Dec 4 @ 3:23 PM ET
YOUR DEAD MEAT!!!!!! lol we re gonna help that inferiority complex you guys have feel a little bit more legitimate.
- ziffles


O'DOYLE RULES!
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Dec 4 @ 3:24 PM ET
Yeah so everyone you have now in your system will be available. Picks made this offseason will be protected.

I think the Euro guys arent usually on an NHL contract?

- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Yeah, I think you've put it perfectly there - "...aren't usually..."

On rare occasions you'll sign a guy (I think?) and let him continue to develop there.

But yeah, simple rule: check your 50 man roster right now - those guys will be eligible for the plucking.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Dec 4 @ 3:25 PM ET
YOUR DEAD MEAT!!!!!! lol we re gonna help that inferiority complex you guys have feel a little bit more legitimate.
- ziffles

What about their dead meat?

Are they going to cook it?

Perhaps a tailgate party before the game tonight?
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Dec 4 @ 3:25 PM ET
What about their dead meat?

Are they going to cook it?

Perhaps a tailgate party before the game tonight?

- Atomic Wedgie



Just put the tags and the trash in the garbage can and don't leave it all over the mall parking lot ok?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Dec 4 @ 3:33 PM ET
Sabres are (frank)ed
- CoHo_to_B-Lo


Protect Eichel and Dahlin

The rest is gravy. The worst thing a team can do is make a bad bargain like Fletcher did to protect Staal and Dumba (Gave up Tuch and Haula)

If it all goes to poop, just let them pick their player. I'm sure Botterill will figure it out. Who knows what the roster will look like by then.

PS, they can have Okposo now as a brand ambassador to ramp up excitement for the next 2.5 years
LandlordTom
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Ice girls, please, NY
Joined: 07.16.2011

Dec 4 @ 3:41 PM ET
Just put the tags and the trash in the garbage can and don't leave it all over the mall parking lot ok?
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Over50
Location: Eyes without a face, NY
Joined: 02.23.2018

Dec 4 @ 4:15 PM ET
My Mom was a huge hockey fan and the last game we watched together was in October. The Blues made the Leafs look like a pee wee team. The day after that game Mom went into hospice and she died 9 days later, and in her honor tonight the Sabres will also run circles around the Leafs.
4-1 Swords.

- LandlordTom


Sorry to hear this Tom, genuinely sorry.
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