I would prefer a strong goaltending solution in place to ease the pressure on Hart. I hate that he has to block out the noise to “be the saviour” while trying to develop.
- Baxter27

Yeah, I'd rather deal with the issue of having two quality starters on the roster down the line then worry about throwing this kid in the fire with unbelievable pressure on him.

Look at the Bolts. They had Bishop and we're able to move him once Vasilevsky proved he could start. That's the kind of situation I'd like to see play out with Hart.

Not up on his injuries. I don’t have a problem giving up a 1st for him as long as his injury problems are carefully vetted. I don’t know what the kings have in their stable. Not sure why they’d do it if they don’t have someone ready to go.
- Just5

I am not sure he's available. Depends if they try to re-tool or re-build, I guess.

Costanza!?!
- corduroy

The toilet would make a loud "whooosh!" when you flushed it!

I'm trying to remember the most recent big time goalie being traded and what was the return.

Having Quick would really put less pressure on Hart to become the man, which may help him in the long run. I would really consider it depending on the cost.
- FlyerFan16

I would imagine the cost would have to be something like a 1st or someone like a Myers, Farabee, Rubstov or O'Brien. I'm def not giving up Patrick or TK for him.

Not up on his injuries. I don’t have a problem giving up a 1st for him as long as his injury problems are carefully vetted. I don’t know what the kings have in their stable. Not sure why they’d do it if they don’t have someone ready to go.
- Just5

Dont you think the other 30 teams smell blood in the water? Hextall was hesitant to deal the prospects, gets fired, new GM Is one who isnt very cautious with prospects, seems to have a mandate to change the fortunes of the team. If I was a GM I would be calling GMCF non stop with outrageous hockeybuzz type deals, he might bite

I can see the kings asking for a first plus a top prospect and a goalie

I would imagine the cost would have to be something like a 1st or someone like a Myers, Farabee, Rubstov or O'Brien. I'm def not giving up Patrick or TK for him.
- hereticpride

I don't like giving up a first, but where they are with prospects, I would do it in this case. I am probably not giving up Farabee in addition to what you listed. I would probably be ok with the others but not sure they get it done alone.

Let me get this straight. We have no idea where sourced information from much more connected people than yourself is coming from. But you would bet you can speculate accurately where it’s coming from. OK I’m done. Go spin your web of bullpoop with someone else.
- Baxter27

Each time when I break down what you post, you move to this point. We do not know factually where the leaks are coming from but we can speculate. I have my thoughts on where it's coming from and why. If I thought it was factual, I wouldn't label it as speculation. So who is really spinning a web of bullpoop here? You choose to believe leaked information and hearsay and state that Hextall is creating his own narrative.
This is not personal, I just don't agree with your viewpoint here. No big deal other than that. Just because I effectively counter your viewpoint, doesn't mean we need to degrade it past that.

I would prefer a strong goaltending solution in place to ease the pressure on Hart. I hate that he has to block out the noise to “be the saviour” while trying to develop.
- Baxter27

Exactly. I would give up a pick/prospect to do bring in a true #1. Crawford/quick/Howard. Helps the team. Helps hart.

Bob gave up 8 goals tonight, maybe the Flyers can get him cheap.

I am really encouraged by the hiring of Wilson. He is known for his ability to judge individual players and to get them to improve the weak parts of their game. he also understands the importance of chemistry in defensive pairings, so hopefully we will see the end of Provorov-Ghost, and pairings that are balanced between offensive talent defensive liability.
- hockeyal

I hope the Provorov-Gotisbehere pairing continues. That is the best defense pairing they can put on the ice.

Watching this buf tor game. It’s good hockey...not even one push in this game around the goal mouth. Not one scrum. Nothing even close. I need something...it’s just going too far the other way


Wow ristolainen

I don't like giving up a first, but where they are with prospects, I would do it in this case. I am probably not giving up Farabee in addition to what you listed. I would probably be ok with the others but not sure they get it done alone.
- FlyerFan16

I would do one of these guys or a 1st, Stolie or Elliott and not much else. If they want more they going to have to send something else back to us as well.

What’s especially frustrating about the goaltending is that he inherited one in Mason who was on top of his game. I don’t know exactly what happened but there sure was a divide created. Now it’s much worse than it was when he took over.
- Baxter27

Mason since he left the Flyers has played 13 NHL games and is now out of the league. Seems like the right call was made with that.

I just hope the work place can become more comfortable for everyone involved and they can move on from the living hell that it was under Hextall. Have they considered bringing in therapists?
- MJL

Why? They eliminated the cause.

Why? They eliminated the cause.
- easY

Or they'll just find something else to be disgruntled about.

Mason since he left the Flyers has played 13 NHL games and is now out of the league. Seems like the right call was made with that.
- MJL

Pretty much. There were other options

Mason since he left the Flyers has played 13 NHL games and is now out of the league. Seems like the right call was made with that.
- MJL

Definitely the right call. After Berube ran him into the ground, we had no use for him. We needed a "team guy" who wouldn't complain about all our problems. Just shut up and play.

Or they'll just find something else to be disgruntled about.
- FlyerFan16

As will we

Dont you think the other 30 teams smell blood in the water? Hextall was hesitant to deal the prospects, gets fired, new GM Is one who isnt very cautious with prospects, seems to have a mandate to change the fortunes of the team. If I was a GM I would be calling GMCF non stop with outrageous hockeybuzz type deals, he might bite

I can see the kings asking for a first plus a top prospect and a goalie
- corduroy

Yea blood is in the water. Fletcher is starting out 0-1 in all likelihood and it’s not his fault

If his insights are coming from people from inside the organization and not his own first hand corroborated knowledge, it may be that he is just spreading what the team wants the public to hear

Why Fire Hextall? The team as constructed is talented. There is more than enough skill. Are you really telling me that the issues on the ice come from micro-management from the front office? The post game meals? That Alumni were perturbed? People werent happy?

None of that explains piss poor starts for countless years, 2 coaches, yet the same core.

I'll give you the goaltending situation and 3rd line center not being addressed, but if you believe the reporting on Hextall's micro managing, then you should belive the reporting on going after Tavares and Stastny?

The guy had a plan, part of the plan didnt see Ghost and Provorov playing like Randy Jones and Mike Rathje, Nolan Patrick not taking another step, and Elliot getting hurt again.

Players play the game, they are led by the coach, not the GM. None of the so called issues with Hextall should of affected how well paid professionals played the game
- corduroy

I was all for firing the coaching staff across the board. Was shocked at the Hextall dismissal.

I don't even care about the nonsense going out post firing.

I also don't think this team is competitive and some of the blame for that rests with the GM. There were plenty of people on these stupid boards, including me, seeing the goalie situation as the biggest problem heading into the season. It didn't take a genius. All you had to do was read the preseason stories and even you you knew zero about hockey, the goalie situation was at best tenuous. It wasn't hard to imagine a complete collapse with two guys coming in off surgery, one guy who missed an entire season, a guy with a handful of NHL games and a rookie first year pro.

The best defense is a good goalie and if you want your defenders to look like they don't remember how to play the game then give them crappy goaltending and too much to do to try to cover for it. It's no surprise that these kids are running around out of position most nights because two out of every 10 shots go in the net.

I would have burned it all down except for the scouting staff.

Ready for a step forward... yeah right. The team's in last place but Hexy's on the phone. He's been on the phone since last April and all we have is a returning forward and Pickard.

It's great to have prospects but I'm rooting 80+ times a year for the Flyers. I understand rebuilds and steps backward and have sat in the stands for years with no hopes for the playoffs. I've dripped patience. On more than one occasion and across quite a few years. I'm willing to wait but not if I feel like the GM isn't trying to put the best team out there or their coach doesn't know how to use them. When you're looking at a kid who's started 4 games in a year as your best shot in net then something was sorely mishandled.

There was deliquency in the handling of the big club. If they fired Hextall so be it. They're the ones talking to him not me. I fully expect a new coaching staff by this time next season because I have no faith in the current one and haven't for a couple years. I expect this team to take a step back for the rest of this season. I doubt this season can be saved no matter what the new GM and management say (I don't believe they think it either).

These stories are coming out because Hextall got fired and he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. It's not some orchestrated plot by upper management to make him look bad, just a lot of employees venting now that the guys been dismissed. I don't think the four (count them 4) guys who have reported this stuff have an axe to grind with Hextall or that Flyers management would waste their time trying to get these middling stories in the press. They have more important things to do and it's not the first time someone has been fired and I haven't seen it happen before.

Hextall did his job within his limitations I guess. Prospects are just suspects until they play under the lights. The D on the team now better be for real because there's no more coming short of Myers and maybe that college kid out west. Hart better be the next coming because the other goalies can't even get in games this season.

The club has sunk this season... again.

I'm not even mad and that's a sad thing for me to say, but to think the Flyers care about fans hating on Hextall to the point of purposely planting stories with writers who also have their own reputations to protect seems ridiculous to me. Holmgren's never been a big fan of the media and I haven't exactly seen Dave Scott jumping in front of the cameras the last half decade.

The leafs have 4th liners on their PP

When you watch these two teams and all the young talent dominating in this game. okposo’s name came up after he carried the puck up the ice and shot it or whatever. I’m thinking oh yeah okposo. The guy is a lot like Simmonds. He is an afterthought out there amongst all these kids.

I hope and pray and pray we do not resign Simmonds. We can not have monster contracts for JVR and Simmonds.

That was too long. I should have just called you.

Yea blood is in the water. Fletcher is starting out 0-1 in all likelihood and it’s not his fault
- Just5

I was saying earlier today that one of his first orders of business is figuring out to do what to do with Simmonds. Either way he's going to piss off half the fanbase with that decision.

As will we
- easY

We have plenty, we don't need anymore.

I'm not even mad and that's a sad thing for me to say, but to think the Flyers care about fans hating on Hextall to the point of purposely planting stories with writers who also have their own reputations to protect seems ridiculous to me. Holmgren's never been a big fan of the media and I haven't exactly seen Dave Scott jumping in front of the cameras the last half decade.
- mayorofangrytown

Leaks are always how people behind the scenes get info out that they don't want to put out themselves. I have zero doubt that the sources being used to plant the info are respected sources. What writer is going to write a story based on what the locker room cleaning staff tells them? The team doesn't want fans hating on Hextall but they do want them blaming Hextall. It's business. They want the fans to come back and start buying tickets. It's simply a PR move to say, we removed the problem, we're now ready to get back being the Flyers and doing what we have to do to win.