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MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Dec 4 @ 10:28 AM ET
When Marcus Pettersson shoots, he gets some dangerous shots on net, however, he misses the net more frequently than any other defenseman in the NHL.

https://www.pensburgh.com...ats-metrics-anaheim-ducks

- Thorny87



Cant wait to start seeing him miss the net with the rest of the crew. A LH d-man. This is what I dont get. Why another LH D-man?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Dec 4 @ 10:29 AM ET
So 1.39 seasons worth of games over 6 seasons is a good enough sample size for you in this case?

29 other GM's had the opportunities to claim him on waivers each time he was put to them and didn't....but you're the one who's right about him...

- MattStrat

Fact is he had a 39 point 82 game pace for his career which is easily 3rd line production.

So yeah I'm the one who is right about him.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Dec 4 @ 10:29 AM ET
Or go out and sign a similar to worse player for 2.15m more to put in “effort” and still suck. You’re definitely not wrong if the coach doesn’t want the guy, you have the option of replacing him, but you better get the right guy. It’s just disappointing that they haven’t been.

I’m all for finding better fits and poop. But they didn’t. They got worse lol and it’s been a common trend the last few years. Starting to see GMJRs time start to reflect his later years in Carolina. History repeats itself anyways. So buckle up baby. It’s gonna be a long few seasons.

- j.boyd919


That goes without saying that you need to get the right replacement. I'm not excusing the JJ contract. Like I said before, it was obviously Rutherfords worst mistake since coming here. I honestly believe Rutherford negotiated against himself to get JJ....which is inexcusable for a veteran GM.

I'm talking about players like Ruhwedel, Riikola or this new kid.....whom I would all take over that bum DP.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Dec 4 @ 10:31 AM ET
Cant wait to start seeing him miss the net with the rest of the crew. A LH d-man. This is what I dont get. Why another LH D-man?
- MattStrat


Options.... Possibly moving Maatta?
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 4 @ 10:37 AM ET
Options.... Possibly moving Maatta?
- madmike71


Doubtful
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Dec 4 @ 10:38 AM ET
Options.... Possibly moving Maatta?
- madmike71



Well...if the option is to move another LH d-man so he can play, then I think the team gets worse because all of the LH d-men are better than him...maybe not JJ but we all know JJ isnt going anywhere.

Maatta > Pettersen
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Dec 4 @ 10:41 AM ET
Fact is he had a 39 point 82 game pace for his career which is easily 3rd line production.

So yeah I'm the one who is right about him.

- Feds91Stammer


Nah.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Dec 4 @ 10:48 AM ET
Well...if the option is to move another LH d-man so he can play, then I think the team gets worse because all of the LH d-men are better than him...maybe not JJ but we all know JJ isnt going anywhere.

Maatta > Pettersen

- MattStrat


Yeah.... JJ isn't going anywhere of course, but what I mean is Maatta could be available in a larger shakeup that could bring in a better RH D (which I believe is imperative).

Riikola is playing better too and you just added a guy who can go to the AHL. Rutherford already admitted Pettersson needs another year or two.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Dec 4 @ 10:51 AM ET
Nah.
- MattStrat

Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Dec 4 @ 11:29 AM ET
The issue is not whether or not they were as good as they thought they'd be. The issue is they never did them any justice to let them show what they might have been.

Pouliot and Sprong are similar in that they're both offensive-minded players and Sullivan was so fixated on making sure they only focused on defensive play that he never had them playing to their strengths.

- Rinosaur



When does not given a chance becomes they aren't impct NHL players? DP ain't doing poop in Vancouver.

My point is that it seems like you assign a value to your prospects from first impressions and refuse to ever come off the lofty expectations, even if it's apparent they were not worth it. Which is strange, given Maatta.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Dec 4 @ 11:38 AM ET
Well...if the option is to move another LH d-man so he can play, then I think the team gets worse because all of the LH d-men are better than him...maybe not JJ but we all know JJ isnt going anywhere.

Maatta > Pettersen

- MattStrat

I despise Maatta I think he's the slowest, no puck skills, terrible shot, can't handle the puck piece of trash dman. It's crazy because he had good skills his rookie year and poof (frank)ing gone.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Dec 4 @ 11:41 AM ET
When does not given a chance becomes they aren't impct NHL players? DP ain't doing poop in Vancouver.

My point is that it seems like you assign a value to your prospects from first impressions and refuse to ever come off the lofty expectations, even if it's apparent they were not worth it. Which is strange, given Maatta.

- Blackstrom2


Playing 20 minutes a night this season, put up 22 points in 71 games last year. Not terrible by any means. It’s probably lower tier top 4 production. Is he blowing the nhl up? No. But he’s found himself a steady spot in the Nucks top 4.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Dec 4 @ 12:24 PM ET
I despise Maatta I think he's the slowest, no puck skills, terrible shot, can't handle the puck piece of trash dman. It's crazy because he had good skills his rookie year and poof (frank)ing gone.
- 668710

Your eye test and confirmation bias is killing you here.
joegreif17
Location: Hockeyville, BC
Joined: 05.10.2009

Dec 4 @ 12:29 PM ET
I wonder sometimes if JR has rocks in his head, for example signing JJ to that ridiculous contract and he is not very good and never has been. Trading Sprong could have similar results to trading Naslund for a goon. I wish Sprong all the best in Anaheim and I honestly do not think he was given a real honest shot for long enough. He obviously has talent and only time will tell.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Dec 4 @ 12:37 PM ET
What I’m trippin on is Dotch was out there for anyone and @ 800K dude has been great for us. RHD and size and makes solid plays.
I just don’t get why more people didn’t make a run at him.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Dec 4 @ 12:44 PM ET
nah


"What Went Wrong with Rob Schremp?

Many (including this article) have cited Schremp’s inability to adapt his junior game to the NHL. According to Todd Richards who coached Schremp in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, Schremp was focused on playing a junior type of game against bigger, stronger and faster AHL players and Rob was failing to realize what had worked in the past would not necessarily be successful in the professional ranks"

- MattStrat


Sounds Familiar....

Not Coachable/Doesn’t contribute defensively
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Dec 4 @ 12:45 PM ET
Playing 20 minutes a night this season, put up 22 points in 71 games last year. Not terrible by any means. It’s probably lower tier top 4 production. Is he blowing the nhl up? No. But he’s found himself a steady spot in the Nucks top 4.
- j.boyd919


Bottom pairing on a bad team
joegreif17
Location: Hockeyville, BC
Joined: 05.10.2009

Dec 4 @ 12:45 PM ET
Sounds Familiar....

Not Coachable/Doesn’t contribute defensively

- RoloTahmasee


Yeah, probably a lot like Markus Naslund
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Dec 4 @ 1:05 PM ET
Yeah, probably a lot like Markus Naslund
- joegreif17

What a great trade that was
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Dec 4 @ 1:06 PM ET
I was waiting for someone to post this, seems it backs up what some of us have been seeing. He's been making some really solid plays

per @404ResponseCode on Twitter

Jusso Riikola before/after recent benching (5v5 per naturalstattrick):

8 games before: 15:12/gm, 40.66%CF, 45.74%SCF, 40%HDCF

6 games since: 16:04/gm, 57%CF, 62.75% SCF, 68.18% HDCF


interesting, looking deeper at this today and two things jumped out: Riikola has been top-5 in the NHL at limiting shots/chances/HD chances over this time, and Pettersson is right there with him
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Dec 4 @ 1:14 PM ET
I was waiting for someone to post this, seems it backs up what some of us have been seeing. He's been making some really solid plays

per @404ResponseCode on Twitter

Jusso Riikola before/after recent benching (5v5 per naturalstattrick):

8 games before: 15:12/gm, 40.66%CF, 45.74%SCF, 40%HDCF

6 games since: 16:04/gm, 57%CF, 62.75% SCF, 68.18% HDCF


interesting, looking deeper at this today and two things jumped out: Riikola has been top-5 in the NHL at limiting shots/chances/HD chances over this time, and Pettersson is right there with him

- Thorny87



#TrustTheProcess
Thunderbolt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wampum, PA
Joined: 01.20.2014

Dec 4 @ 1:17 PM ET
When? When did they try that? It sure as (frank) isn’t this season hahahahaha signing guys like JJ, Cullen, etc. and trading away Sprong, and playing guys like Grant and Wilson don’t exactly scream goal scoring.
- j.boyd919


What were they doing the first six weeks? They sure as hell weren't preventing goals.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Dec 4 @ 1:38 PM ET
I wonder sometimes if JR has rocks in his head, for example signing JJ to that ridiculous contract and he is not very good and never has been. Trading Sprong could have similar results to trading Naslund for a goon. I wish Sprong all the best in Anaheim and I honestly do not think he was given a real honest shot for long enough. He obviously has talent and only time will tell.
- joegreif17



I dont see Sprong fitting in that system all that well actually, not with the head coach they have. If he gets time in the top 6 his production will definitely go up but will he and stay there?
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Dec 4 @ 1:41 PM ET
Sully gonna keep Phil with Brass tonight? Switch Phil with Horny if he's not gonna play with Sid.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Dec 4 @ 2:12 PM ET
What were they doing the first six weeks? They sure as hell weren't preventing goals.
- Thunderbolt


They spend more time in their own zone in the offensive zone in my opinion. Just because they weren’t successful at goal prevention doesn’t mean they weren’t pinned in their own zone or playing in their own zone.

Do you disagree?
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