I think the worst thing about trading Sprong is going to be the poopheads who two years from now will randomly post, "Sprong scored a goal tonight." It's the same thing we get on DP from time to time.

Whoever gets mad at the Pens selecting DP 8th overall is ridiculous. It happens all the time. However, I can understand the frustration about how the Pens handled Pouliot and Sprong.

Regardless if they are busts or not, what RW said was true about never taking advantage. Sprong had a stint last year with Sid and did well! Put up a few points, was able to keep up, create chances and had good analytics, yet when he comes in he starts on the 4th (frank)ing line because he's not playing like a Selke candidate.

Sprong and Pouliot were both handled the same way in the respect they were given NO SLACK. If they made one flub, one defensive lapse, they lost minutes.

Time to move on though. I just plead with people to not do the Sprong check-ins. It's over.

On a side note...

If the Pens are indeed open to moving Murray. Removing any personal feelings toward him, is he worthy of a 1st? Or I guess, is JR capable of moving him for a 1st?

Two different things lol

There’s nothing wrong with being a 3rd pairing NHL player. You’re still a consistent NHL player at that point. It’s up to teams to recognize where they belong in the lineup and play them where they should. I’d much rather have DP on the 3rd pairing than JJ. For 2.15m cheaper too.
- j.boyd919

I agree... There's nothing wrong with being a 3rd pairing dman. But, they are a dime a dozen. Why limit yourself to your own failed prospect when you can easily get a guy that "fits" better through FA or minor trades (I'm saying failed in the sense that you expected more from him). That's really what this comes down to. The "rumors" on DP involved his lack of work ethic. Every reputable reporter basically said the same thing about DP.....the guy never worked hard here. Never did anything extra......virtually the exact opposite of Maatta.

Imagine if you're a coach and you see a guy not doing the things you're asking him to do.....or not working as hard as you see other players working. Then you put him in the game and he looks lost or makes multiple mistakes. Why tolerate that from a 3rd pairing D when you can get a similar player who isn't a slug?

https://www.pensburgh.com...-analytics-advanced-stats

Pensburgh write up on new kid.

But where'd he go then?

EDIT: https://thehockeywriters....-happened-to-rob-schremp/

EDIT: Perhaps there is something to the plus minus in this case...perhaps it wasnt all about production, that he was hurting the teams on and/or off the ice....
- MattStrat

nah

he went to europe cause the old boys club couldn't comprehend that a 39 point 82 game pace was actually solid.

I agree... There's nothing wrong with being a 3rd pairing dman. But, they are a dime a dozen.
- madmike71

If they were a dime a dozen there wouldn't be so many teams with poopty 3rd pairs and there are plenty.

Player dev def shouldn’t be under the microscope... sarcastic af.

On a side note...

If the Pens are indeed open to moving Murray. Removing any personal feelings toward him, is he worthy of a 1st? Or I guess, is JR capable of moving him for a 1st?

Two different things lol
- Rinosaur

MM and a 2nd for Nyquist and Howard (50% retained on both)

I agree... There's nothing wrong with being a 3rd pairing dman. But, they are a dime a dozen. Why limit yourself to your own failed prospect when you can easily get a guy that "fits" better through FA or minor trades (I'm saying failed in the sense that you expected more from him). That's really what this comes down to. The "rumors" on DP involved his lack of work ethic. Every reputable reporter basically said the same thing about DP.....the guy never worked hard here. Never did anything extra......virtually the exact opposite of Maatta.

Imagine if you're a coach and you see a guy not doing the things you're asking him to do.....or not working as hard as you see other players working. Then you put him in the game and he looks lost or makes multiple mistakes. Why tolerate that from a 3rd pairing D when you can get a similar player who isn't a slug?
- madmike71

Or go out and sign a similar to worse player for 2.15m more to put in “effort” and still suck. You’re definitely not wrong if the coach doesn’t want the guy, you have the option of replacing him, but you better get the right guy. It’s just disappointing that they haven’t been.

I’m all for finding better fits and poop. But they didn’t. They got worse lol and it’s been a common trend the last few years. Starting to see GMJRs time start to reflect his later years in Carolina. History repeats itself anyways. So buckle up baby. It’s gonna be a long few seasons.

MM and a 2nd for Nyquist and Howard (50% retained on both)
- Feds91Stammer

Gross. lol

https://www.pensburgh.com/2018/12/4/18125406/marcus-pettersson-penguins-trade-daniel-sprong-analytics-advanced-stats

Pensburgh write up on new kid.
- j.boyd919

I personally don't think we'll be talking about this kid in a year. This trade is what it is.

Gross. lol
- Rinosaur

Scoring help and the 4th best goalie in the league thus far per: http://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm

Scoring help and the 4th best goalie in the league thus far per: http://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm
- Feds91Stammer

It's not that I don't like either of those players, but a young two-time cup winning goalie under contract + a 2nd for two UFAs?

If the Pens were actually in the playoff hunt it may not sound as bad, but I think the Pens can get a better return.

It's not that I don't like either of those players, but a young goalie that has been on two cup winning teams that has major injury history that can't currently stop a beach ball.

If the Pens were actually in the playoff hunt it may not sound as bad, but I think the Pens can get a better return.
- Rinosaur

fixed

fixed
- Feds91Stammer

LOL

How about this...

TO DET: Matt Murray
TO PIT: Mantha + 2nd

LOL

How about this...

TO DET: Matt Murray
TO PIT: Mantha + 2nd
- Rinosaur

gfy

gfy
- Feds91Stammer

LOL

I do think DET is a good partner for a Murray trade though.

LOL

I do think DET is a good partner for a Murray trade though.
- Rinosaur

Meh only if he is a buy low guy.

Bernier can hold the fort until Petruzzelli is ready.

Meh only if he is a buy low guy.

Bernier can hold the fort until Petruzzelli is ready.
- Feds91Stammer

I don't know anything about that prospect, but yeah, you guys are in no immediate rush I guess.

I don't know anything about that prospect, but yeah, you guys are in no immediate rush I guess.
- Rinosaur

Yeah we need Hughes in this draft and Lafreniere next draft and we are all set.

nah

he went to europe cause the old boys club couldn't comprehend that a 39 point 82 game pace was actually solid.
- Feds91Stammer

nah


"What Went Wrong with Rob Schremp?

Many (including this article) have cited Schremp’s inability to adapt his junior game to the NHL. According to Todd Richards who coached Schremp in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, Schremp was focused on playing a junior type of game against bigger, stronger and faster AHL players and Rob was failing to realize what had worked in the past would not necessarily be successful in the professional ranks"

Yeah we need Hughes in this draft and Lafreniere next draft and we are all set.
- Feds91Stammer

Not if we get to Hughes before you.

nah


"What Went Wrong with Rob Schremp?

Many (including this article) have cited Schremp’s inability to adapt his junior game to the NHL. According to Todd Richards who coached Schremp in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, Schremp was focused on playing a junior type of game against bigger, stronger and faster AHL players and Rob was failing to realize what had worked in the past would not necessarily be successful in the professional ranks"
- MattStrat

That would make sense if he failed to produce at an nhl level

When Marcus Pettersson shoots, he gets some dangerous shots on net, however, he misses the net more frequently than any other defenseman in the NHL.

https://www.pensburgh.com...ats-metrics-anaheim-ducks

That would make sense if he failed to produce at an nhl level
- Feds91Stammer

So 1.39 seasons worth of games over 6 seasons is a good enough sample size for you in this case?

29 other GM's had the opportunities to claim him on waivers each time he was put to them and didn't....but you're the one who's right about him...