Just saw this after I posted the same, that is what I have kept thinking about the last few days...get the hughes brothers together on the Hawks!!
- ToewsdNKanefusd

Just saw this after I posted the same, that is what I have kept thinking about the last few days...get the hughes brothers together on the Hawks!!
- ToewsdNKanefusd

I'll admit that I don't know much about either, but what is the infatuation with uniting the Hughes brothers? One's a center, the other a D-man. I hear that Jack is really good. If that's the case, great, draft and develop him. Is Quinn demonstrably better than Boqvist, Mitchell, Beaudin, Joki (in the NHL)? If not, why would we want to trade for him just because we (theoretically) have his brother.

Sign, trade for, or draft good players. Develop them and get them all on the same page regarding the system. Was anyone here clamoring for Hossa's brother? How about Bure, Toews, ? I know that Quinn was drafted high, but there is no reason to give up anything extra of value just to bring him on board to play with his brother.

I don’t think Stan will be here to handle the draft picks in June.

Yeah, can't stand that website and similar ones. I know there's a market for fans who like that style but it's hard to take these sites seriously. Yes, they can be brutally honest when such honesty is needed but doesn't mean their overall analytical skills are top flight.
- AEL_Fox

RA on that podcast is a goof, but you do realize that Ryan Whitney and Paul Bissonnette played in the show, right?


Edit -- just dawned on me, if you happen to be a female you might have an issue with the language on that podcast.

The Old Man pulled the plug on Krause - and they were very close.

Of course - GarPax will now be appointing their fifth head coach - how many do they get?

Will Stan get as many?
- StLBravesFan

Jerry Krause never got the credit he deserved. The Chicago sports media disliked him and painted him in a very negative vein. They all were under Phil's Pot Induced
Influence. All the media ever said was that Jordan was here when Krause got the job. That is true, but you can't hold that against him. But then Krause drafted Pippen, Grant and King amongst others. He traded for Cartwright. He later traded for Rodman. He got three point shooters in both three-peats. He was really a terrific GM and got very little credit. And I know, players win championships and Jordan was likely the greatest of all time. But he build around Jordan, twice, to bring the city six championships. He was very underappreciated.

Jerry Krause never got the credit he deserved. The Chicago sports media disliked him and painted him in a very negative vein. They all were under Phil's Pot Induced
Influence. All the media ever said was that Jordan was here when Krause got the job. That is true, but you can't hold that against him. But then Krause drafted Pippen, Grant and King amongst others. He traded for Cartwright. He later traded for Rodman. He got three point shooters in both three-peats. He was really a terrific GM and got very little credit. And I know, players win championships and Jordan was likely the greatest of all time. But he build around Jordan, twice, to bring the city six championships. He was very underappreciated.
- onehundredlevel

I'm not a roundball guy but I think you're right on here.

I don’t think Stan will be here to handle the draft picks in June.
- Colbyboy

As we've seen from the Draft videos the Hawks have posted, it's mostly Mark Kelley making the decisions on who to draft.

Was Kelley the head scout when we drafted Toews?

Nice to hear this. I'm very interested to see what he can do under Colliton.

Per Powers: Connor Murphy is going on the trip but is not expected to play. He’s been cleared for contact, and he said he was close to being ready.

RA on that podcast is a goof, but you do realize that Ryan Whitney and Paul Bissonnette played in the show, right?


Edit -- just dawned on me, if you happen to be a female you might have an issue with the language on that podcast.
- 6628

Didn't know former NHLers are on that show. Bissonnette at least never came off as the sharpest knife in the drawer or one to have high standards of decorum.

Bottom line, I'm fine if other fans enjoy that site and others like it. Just not my bag. Sorry if I offended anyone who does read up on that site regularly.

Agree, though, that the language can be offensive towards women which is another reason why that site isn't in my rotation of places to visit on the web.

So Arizona is going to move to the Central? AZ would be half a continent away from most of the Central teams. Wouldn't it make more sense to move Colorado to the Pacific and move Calgary and Edmonton to the Central?

So Arizona is going to move to the Central? AZ would be half a continent away from most of the Central teams. Wouldn't it make more sense to move Colorado to the Pacific and move Calgary and Edmonton to the Central?
- EbonyRaptor

I like that realignment of the West much better. Makes sense. Would love to have more games against the Flames and Oilers.

So Arizona is going to move to the Central? AZ would be half a continent away from most of the Central teams. Wouldn't it make more sense to move Colorado to the Pacific and move Calgary and Edmonton to the Central?
- EbonyRaptor

It's mostly because Arizona has so many ex-Hawks that it is closer to the Central.

JC played Gustafsson 27 mins a couple games ago and then he was a healthy scratch last game.

Who's running the show here? They need to just let this guy coach. Oh... and Stan needs to give him a better roster.
- Justin Lowe

That's the best thing the front office can do to support this guy, get out of his way and let him figure it out. If the players think he's taking orders from Stan or McD, he's never going to earn their respect.

Didn't know former NHLers are on that show. Bissonnette at least never came off as the sharpest knife in the drawer or one to have high standards of decorum.

Bottom line, I'm fine if other fans enjoy that site and others like it. Just not my bag. Sorry if I offended anyone who does read up on that site regularly.

Agree, though, that the language can be offensive towards women which is another reason why that site isn't in my rotation of places to visit on the web.
- AEL_Fox

Standards of decorum isn't a thing in the locker room or on the ice. My wife is a sweetheart and she wouldn't appreciate that show if she listened. Our sons and I fit right in.

Standards of decorum isn't a thing in the locker room or on the ice. My wife is a sweetheart and she wouldn't appreciate that show if she listened. Our sons and I fit right in.
- 6628

I love it. Bissonette does a great job of giving insite from a player point of view as does Ryan Whittney. The interviews are the best part obviously. As far as being offensive to women, so are hockey locker rooms, dont listen if it offends you.

Just hold on there Bubbalouie!
Imagine this:
-Canucks already own Quinn Hughes
-Canucks are hosting the 2019 draft
-Canucks have a glorious chance to unite the Hughes brothers in front of their fans (ala the Sedins)
Don't kid yourself because Stan would be handed a blank cheque for that first overall.
- 67hawks

Didn't the Hawks already loose a trade like this with VAN that netted VAN the Sedins? If I remember, all the Hawks got was Bryan McCabe? Pass...

That's the best thing the front office can do to support this guy, get out of his way and let him figure it out. If the players think he's taking orders from Stan or McD, he's never going to earn their respect.
- matt_ahrens

Has there been any evidence presented yet that proves that McShovel Face and Bowman are making coaching decisions, or is that just speculation that's been on this board since the day JC was hired?

[quote=Colbyboy]I don’t think Stan will be here to handle the draft picks in June


https://lastwordonhockey....s-start-with-stan-bowman/


Good article on the Draft results going back to 2010

If that proposed Canucks trade plays out and Panarin signs for no more than $9MM, then I do like that lineup as it spreads the offense across 3 lines and avoids rolling out two 4th lines like the Hawks have been.

The defense would still be a work in progress but just let it continue to grow as older guys are phased out and 1-2 youngsters are eased in each season.

To me, the question would then be which line is the shutdown line? The line that makes most sense is Toews line but that would take away from their ability to maximize their offense especially if Sikura is their playmaker.

4th line as the shutdown group would be ideal but not with Fortin and Kahun as the wingers. I like Kampf as the center but flank him with wingers who are solid on defense. Agitation would be a plus.

EDIT: Kahun is decent on defense but I just don't see him as a 4th liner. He is best playing middle 6 creating offense and not being relegated to a shutdown role.
- AEL_Fox

You make a good point. As we've talked about, the roster is going to be a very fluid situation where some guys we expect to be on the team (Sikura, Kahun, Perlini even) could end up being traded at some point. Ya never really know.

Maybe it would be best to put Kahun with Toews-Saad or with Strome-Cat because of his offensive ability and move Perlini down to the 4th line to go with Kampf and they go out and sign a veteran defensively responsible guy (funny we say that when we basically have that with Kruger but a fresh face would be welcomed I'm sure). Like you said though, moving Sikura off of the Toew-Saad line removes a playmaker for them. Lots of moving parts that can and will change over the next few months.

The main part is that there are a lot of pieces on this team that can fit in certain spots with a few other key moves that could get this team back to being competitive without completely blowing up the team. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't trade anyone on this team, because i can see a path in which trading a Core player like Keith, Seabrook, Crow could help we gain assets back to rebuild a little quicker. I also see a way in which those guys can be apart of a "retool" in which a high draft pick, a high profile FA scorer signing, a depth signing or two, and one or two defensive prospects come up to play can spark the team and get them to be a better overall team.

Has there been any evidence presented yet that proves that McShovel Face and Bowman are making coaching decisions, or is that just speculation that's been on this board since the day JC was hired?
- Dieselhead

other than picking his assistants for him, none that I know of.

Didn't the Hawks already loose a trade like this with VAN that netted VAN the Sedins? If I remember, all the Hawks got was Bryan McCabe? Pass...
- CamRusselsJock

They also got Vancouver's first round pick for 2000 which netted us... Vorobiev.

Jerry Krause never got the credit he deserved. The Chicago sports media disliked him and painted him in a very negative vein. They all were under Phil's Pot Induced
Influence. All the media ever said was that Jordan was here when Krause got the job. That is true, but you can't hold that against him. But then Krause drafted Pippen, Grant and King amongst others. He traded for Cartwright. He later traded for Rodman. He got three point shooters in both three-peats. He was really a terrific GM and got very little credit. And I know, players win championships and Jordan was likely the greatest of all time. But he build around Jordan, twice, to bring the city six championships. He was very underappreciated.
- onehundredlevel

Kind of like another GM we know, huh?

Krause had one excellent draft, when he traded for the rights to Pippen and got Grant; and one other good draft of King and Armstrong. He picked up the likes of Harper, Hodges, Kerr - and, yes, Rodman. Good moves to surround Jordan with for two runs of championships.

But he wasn't the GM to rebuild the team after it was torn down - just as perhaps Bowman isn't for the rebuild in the skated sport.

As far as his personality - yeah, Jordan and Pippen were brutal, and Jackson didn't help the situation - but Krause seemed terribly paranoid and greedy for acceptance and credit - and anxious to tear it all down so he could rebuild and be seen as the genius of the rebuild.

He could fill in around the stars well - but he couldn't put it all back together again after Jordan, Rodman, etc. left - and he just pissed everyone off.

As we look at this team, caution when it comes to trading the entire core, and banking on signing one or two big UFAs with the cap space. What if no one comes here? Then what? And that is a very, very real possibility.

What we are discounting is illustrated by a highlight of the Red Wings second straight cup from the late 1990s. Heard it on NHL radio yesterday. As they brought the Cup to injured teammate Vladimir Konstantinov (he was paralyzed in a car crash I believe) some of the players were interviewed saying they would have done anything to win the Cup that year, and that they loved the guy.

I see zero of the unity required in team chemistry to even be competitive on the Hawks right now. Until they fix that you can't even accurately assess the talent and what it can do. It is hampering them to a great degree right now.

Remember when they all used to have video game tournaments on the road and hang out together when they were winning Cups? The churn of roster turnover has eliminated that aspect and now, with the core guys older and some with kids, and the new players all about ten years younger than them, there is this divide there and you have two groups on the team with very little in common.

People often don't fully realize how tiny the margin is in the NHL between winning and losing.

Keith is no longer a valuable player to hold onto . His age, play have taken a toil and he is in the decline, nor is he somebody you want to hold onto going forward with a 5.8 million cap for the next 5 years.

Keith, Seabrook Gustafson, manning all need to be moved prior to July 1st . That additional 15 million on top of the projected 20 million would allow the hawks to bring up 4 young defenseman who are cheaper , faster and the future while allowing Chicago to go after a few free agents who are top 6 quality and a couple of solid bottom guys .


If the hawks don't shed /trade some of these useless cap eating players, then Stans big talk about going after panarin is meaningless.
- Taylorst1

A couple questions. Who are you going to move them out for and how are you going to do it. Real easy to sit and say you need to move these guys, much harder rto accomplish.

What is going to replace them. In Keith, Seabrook and Manning, at the very least you have 3 veteran players. So now Joki or Murphy is going to be the anchor of your defense? Forsling? Who fills in the other 4 slots? As poor as this defense has been what FA's on the market are going to be better and/or most cost efficient.

You going to dump all those guys and go get Karlson, Trouba and Myers.

Good Luck.