Playing along with this idea of the Hawks assumedly having the #1 pick and selecting Hughes then trading with the Canucks, what if we flip it on it’s head by keeping Jack and trading for Quinn?

Maybe something like Boqvist++ for Quinn with the ++ being another D prospect and other assets like picks or whoever you all want.

Kane really liked and seemed to want the Hawks to draft Quinn. Imagine how ecstatic Kane would be to get him and Panarin this off season? That’s quite a fantasy world but still not crazy. Could play out if all the stars align.

Canucks can throw in Motte so the Hawks can have back Saad, Panarin, and Motte from that same trade. I actually like Motte’s game and think he could be solid on the 4th line with Kampf and Hayden.
- AEL_Fox

I was thinking the same thing lol.

Would be great to have our version of the Sedin twins so the Canucks board can call them the Hughes sisters when we are powerful again.

Half of them suck, or are washed up and retired. Don't think we would be any better off in reality.....
- TrueGrit

That may perhaps be true for the present, but i'd bet you would have had 2 or 3 more Cups. Probably a repeat or even a 3-peat somewhere along the way.

Half of them suck, or are washed up and retired. Don't think we would be any better off in reality.....
- TrueGrit

2010-2017, most of these guys were still effective up to 2017. Brouwer, Ladd, Versteeg have fallen off now.

I was thinking the same thing lol.

Would be great to have our version of the Sedin twins so the Canucks board can call them the Hughes sisters when we are powerful again.
- Popsghostly

I think there's a few posters on here who'd crap their pants if we 'got another smurf' in Quinn Hughes. Maybe you guys don't remember the pre-draft days this year, everyone was marking the Hawks down for Hughes in their mock drafts, and people on here were losing their minds.

I really like Boqvist, I'm glad we went with him over Hughes. Kid can shoot the lights out and has some serious hands. Hughes should also be good, just in a different way. I'd love to get Jack Hughes, but even the last place team only has a 16% chance of the #1 pick, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Kahun has 11 points but who's counting? He's on pace for 32 points on a crap team, which is likely 35-40 on a good team. I like the kid's game, he's improving and will likely be a solid middle six player.

He's not going to hit his bonuses this year, so you can stop whining about him.
- ObeseOprah

Kahuan had some flashes but inconsistency and lack of finishing .

He has 3 goals and 8 assists in 28 games for a meager plus 4 ?


This team flat out sucks Period. At this point everyone is expendable. If tradi g away Keith or Seabrook means you have to part ways with Kahuan and or sikura, then so be it.
This teams can't score , has no defense , a lack of leadership or energy , the skill level is a complete joke.


Nobody on this team deserves a pass with the exception Johki.

What you say about this proposal if Chicago gets the #1 pick -

Trade the #1 pick and Seabs to Van for Petterson and either Tanev or a top d prospect in their org.
- powerenforcer

If things fall our way and we get the #1 pick and they offered that, the Hawks should take it and run with it. With Petterson you are getting a legit Top 6 forward with elite potential AND he's shown it in the NHL this year. Hughes looks good, like Patrick Kane with more speed, BUT you never know with any prospect if they are going to pan out our not.

On top of adding a guy that we know what he can do in the NHL, you are unloading Seabrook's HUGE contract and gaining 3M in cap space this year AND Tanev's contract at 4.45M expires after next season. This is helpful for a number of reasons. He could be a helpful piece for the development of Joki, Boqvist, Forsling, Beaudin (whoever ends up making the team next year; which I believe it's entirely possible that ALL FOUR do) and playing top minutes as a reliable defensive option while those guys carry the puck. Also, if the team struggles again you can flip him at the deadline for more picks/prospects to help the team out. Then use his cap space to help resign DCat.

You may even be able to get an extra pick out of Vancouver depending on if they REALLY wanna get the Hughes brothers together (which from a PR standpoint having the draft their would be PERFECT for them) or the rights to swap 1sts at some point as well. It's a deal that could make a lot of sense for both teams going forward in their respective rebuilds...err I mean retool for the Hawks

If things fall our way and we get the #1 pick and they offered that, the Hawks should take it and run with it. With Petterson you are getting a legit Top 6 forward with elite potential AND he's shown it in the NHL this year. Hughes looks good, like Patrick Kane with more speed, BUT you never know with any prospect if they are going to pan out our not.

On top of adding a guy that we know what he can do in the NHL, you are unloading Seabrook's HUGE contract and gaining 3M in cap space this year AND Tanev's contract at 4.45M expires after next season. This is helpful for a number of reasons. He could be a helpful piece for the development of Joki, Boqvist, Forsling, Beaudin (whoever ends up making the team next year; which I believe it's entirely possible that ALL FOUR do) and playing top minutes as a reliable defensive option while those guys carry the puck. Also, if the team struggles again you can flip him at the deadline for more picks/prospects to help the team out. Then use his cap space to help resign DCat.

You may even be able to get an extra pick out of Vancouver depending on if they REALLY wanna get the Hughes brothers together (which from a PR standpoint having the draft their would be PERFECT for them) or the rights to swap 1sts at some point as well. It's a deal that could make a lot of sense for both teams going forward in their respective rebuilds...err I mean retool for the Hawks
- Savetheembers33

That sounds all fine and dandy, however Stan needs to move Seabrook and Keith prior to the trade deadline to assure we get to utilize a 1st round pick to stockpile this team future and not be stuck come free agency with limited options due to resigning players and no money to make impactful free agency splashes.


This team needs a top line center and 2 legit left wingers. Toews is no longer a top center he fits into 3rd line. Saad is up and down . Perlini not sure he is top 6.

That sounds all fine and dandy, however Stan needs to move Seabrook and Keith prior to the trade deadline to assure we get to utilize a 1st round pick to stockpile this team future and not be stuck come free agency with limited options due to resigning players and no money to make impactful free agency splashes.


This team needs a top line center and 2 legit left wingers. Toews is no longer a top center he fits into 3rd line. Saad is up and down . Perlini not sure he is top 6.
- Taylorst1

You realize he is 17th in the league in goals amongst centerman. Im not saying he is returned to form, but outside the best 10 Centers in the league he has produced 22 pts in 28 games on a dog poop team. I think to call him a 3rd line center is asinine.

That sounds all fine and dandy, however Stan needs to move Seabrook and Keith prior to the trade deadline to assure we get to utilize a 1st round pick to stockpile this team future and not be stuck come free agency with limited options due to resigning players and no money to make impactful free agency splashes.


This team needs a top line center and 2 legit left wingers. Toews is no longer a top center he fits into 3rd line. Saad is up and down . Perlini not sure he is top 6.
- Taylorst1

Keith is fine for his cap hit. Toews is a 2nd line center, don't know why everyone always skips the 2nd line in their classifications. Perlini is a middle 6. Saad is likely second line.

Trade bait for the deadline is: AA, Murphy, Manning, Rutta, Kruger, Ward

I think there's a few posters on here who'd crap their pants if we 'got another smurf' in Quinn Hughes. Maybe you guys don't remember the pre-draft days this year, everyone was marking the Hawks down for Hughes in their mock drafts, and people on here were losing their minds.

I really like Boqvist, I'm glad we went with him over Hughes. Kid can shoot the lights out and has some serious hands. Hughes should also be good, just in a different way. I'd love to get Jack Hughes, but even the last place team only has a 16% chance of the #1 pick, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.
- ObeseOprah

16% at Hughes… The lottery gods giveth and taketh. We were gifted Kane in the but we were robbed of Malkin two years earlier. I have this terrible feeling that if we ended up last we’d somehow end up with the third or fourth pick.

What you say about this proposal if Chicago gets the #1 pick -

Trade the #1 pick and Seabs to Van for Petterson and either Tanev or a top d prospect in their org.
- powerenforcer

I see something else happening. Hawks will have 1st pick and Canucks the 2nd. Stan picks another defenseman leaving Hughes for Vancouver!

Performance bonuses were mentioned on the previous page. This page has the breakdown, but no explanation for what is needed to hit the bonuses: https://www.capfriendly.c...ckhawks/performance-bonus

Strome has a potential bonus just shy of Kahun's potential bonus. Would be nice to know what they have to do, anyway. I'm sure DeBrincat's bonus is a slam dunk, given the amount.

This team needs a top line center and 2 legit left wingers. Toews is no longer a top center he fits into 3rd line. Saad is up and down . Perlini not sure he is top 6.
- Taylorst1

Toews is a solid top 6 center and I'm fine if that's 2nd line.

Strome is showing promise so far. He could be that other top 6 center you are talking about needing.

Saad has been the most consistent and impactful forward for several weeks now ever since that fire got lit under him with the whole white jersey situation. He is top 6, hands down.

Agree on Perlini, though: not sure if he is top 6. Could be a solid 3rd liner but would like to see a lot more out of him to see what his water level is.

The Hawks need to focus on improving the blueline, one more top 6 wing, 3rd line, and higher end forward prospects.

Performance bonuses were mentioned on the previous page. This page has the breakdown, but no explanation for what is needed to hit the bonuses: https://www.capfriendly.c...ckhawks/performance-bonus

Strome has a potential bonus just shy of Kahun's potential bonus. Would be nice to know what they have to do, anyway. I'm sure DeBrincat's bonus is a slam dunk, given the amount.
- 333inthe3rd

Here's a link to a site which explains some of the targets to meet to obtain a Schedule A or a Schedule B bonus. FYI, Kahun is eligible for the maximum amount A and B bonus. Looks to me he will be unlikely making any of these targets.

http://users.jyu.fi/~olalpeka/NHL/ELC

You realize he is 17th in the league in goals amongst centerman. Im not saying he is returned to form, but outside the best 10 Centers in the league he has produced 22 pts in 28 games on a dog poop team. I think to call him a 3rd line center is asinine.
- nickmo2699

Agreed.

That sounds all fine and dandy, however Stan needs to move Seabrook and Keith prior to the trade deadline to assure we get to utilize a 1st round pick to stockpile this team future and not be stuck come free agency with limited options due to resigning players and no money to make impactful free agency splashes.


This team needs a top line center and 2 legit left wingers. Toews is no longer a top center he fits into 3rd line. Saad is up and down . Perlini not sure he is top 6.
- Taylorst1

Not necessarily. Team is doing just fine not playing well with Keith and Seabrook so trading them doesn't mean that we'd have a better shot at the first pick or would be able to get another 1st round pick if we were able to trade them. I may be one of the FEW people who believe that Duncs still has something to give on a good team, but it's hard to do so when the team is playing like $#!t and you've given your all to a team for a decade plus. Same goes with Toews. While he may not be ELITE like he used to be he is still a VERY capable #1 at worst #2 Center in this league right now with better talent around him.

Say they don't trade much (maybe AA at the Deadline OR just before the draft to gain more cap space and an extra pick) and try to use their vets to help GROW as a team. We finish in the bottom 3 in the league and get the 1st pick. We then trade it to Van with Seabrook for Petterson and Tanev. Going into FA with roughly 20M (accounting for RFA's) to spend. Say Panarin wants to reunite with Kane and this has been his play all along and takes slightly less and signs a deal around 9M (idc what people say about it, I truly believe this is a HIGHLY likely scenario to play out regardless of where we finish this year). Then you still have about 11M for roughly 5 or so players to sign (which would be less if we brought up some guys on their ELCs). How would most people feel about rolling into next year with a lineup like this...

Panarin-Petterson-Kane
Saad-Toews-Sikura or ???
Cat-Strome-Perlini or ???
Fortin-Kampf-Kahun
Hayden/Johnson/Highmore/ELC guys OR FA signing

Keith-Joki
Murphy-Boqvist
Forsling-Tanev
Manning/Dahlstrom

Crow
Forsberg/Delia/Nalimov/Lankinen/FA signing

There are ways we can get back to being a LEGIT Playoff team once again without trading away everyone because they're not playing well right now. Fact is, they don't have a good TEAM right now. There isn't enough of a supporting cast around them to play great. You wanna argue that "if they're elite they should be able to play well no matter who's around them"? Go look at Pittsburgh and see how well that's working out for them as well. You NEED a DEEP team in order to be successful.

Here's a link to a site which explains some of the targets to meet to obtain a Schedule A or a Schedule B bonus. FYI, Kahun is eligible for the maximum amount A and B bonus. Looks to me he will be unlikely making any of these targets.

http://users.jyu.fi/~olalpeka/NHL/ELC
- boilermaker100

Thanks for the link. Maybe Strome hits his if he keeps producing at this rate?

Keith is no longer a valuable player to hold onto . His age, play have taken a toil and he is in the decline, nor is he somebody you want to hold onto going forward with a 5.8 million cap for the next 5 years. Y

Keith, Seabrook Gustafson, manning all need to be moved prior to July 1st . That additional 15 million on top of the projected 20 million would allow the hawks to bring up 4 young defenseman who are cheaper , faster and the future while allowing Chicago to go after a few free agents who are top 6 quality and a couple of solid bottom guys .


If the hawks don't shed /trade some of these useless cap eating players, then Stans big talk about going after panarin is meaningless.
- Taylorst1

I gets what your saying burn there’s no ways to rid of ourself of there entire cap hits without either salary retained or some of the talent you speak of being sent out.

Just hold on there Bubbalouie!
Imagine this:
-Canucks already own Quinn Hughes
-Canucks are hosting the 2019 draft
-Canucks have a glorious chance to unite the Hughes brothers in front of their fans (ala the Sedins)
Don't kid yourself because Stan would be handed a blank cheque for that first overall.
- 67hawks

Instead, lets draft Jack Hughes, and then trade boqvist to Vancouver for Quinn Hughes. Doesn't Van owe the Hawks from when they drafted the Sedin's?

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/spittin-chiclets-episode-130-featuring-stan-bowman/id1112425552?i=1000425011015&mt=2

Bowman's interview on Spittin' Chiclets podcast. It's a long one, but here were some of the key things IMO, all based on my interpretation:

1. Learned in 2010 that you never want to try and trade someone when you have no leverage (might explain some possibly premature moves of late, like Panarin)
2. Speaking of Panarin - "we cannot afford another guy" making in neighborhood of $10M
3. Says that both Rocky and John are laissez-faire bosses and rarely get involved in the hockey operations
4. Claimed disagreements, but no fundamental relationship issues with Q - Q definitely not happy about the Hammer trade
5. Felt team needed a change in approach behind the bench as old approach wasn't working with roster team has now or with way league playing style has changed
6. Nashville series was tipping point into on-the-fly rebuild - he doesn't say it outright, but said they've been moving away from a "win this year" mode to acquiring youth with potential since then (sooooo about those PR talking points)
7. He reads his press, that much was clear (for some reason, I picture McD dropping copies of all articles and the top tweets on his desk every morning)
8. Just my opinion, but I expect after hearing this that we will see some beloved vets gone this year if he's able to find a partner and get them to waive. As someone else postulated on here, maybe getting rid of Q was supposed to be a catalyst for the latter?

Bonus: The hosts actually told him "we're selling the poop out of our 'Fire Stan' t-shirts' - that went over well.
- pdx2ord

Only half way through listening, I’m actually surprised Stan went on with those guys!

Only half way through listening, I’m actually surprised Stan went on with those guys!
- walleyeb1

I am, too. They are really inappropriate, and it's clear Stan is uncomfortable a few times.

I have been thinking about this as well.

I like Colliton but the coaching staff as a whole seems off. Would like to see JC hire new assistants next year.
- Justin Lowe

Catching up so this may have been mentioned already, but Stan said in an interview that he can hire new assistants next season.

Kahuan had some flashes but inconsistency and lack of finishing .

He has 3 goals and 8 assists in 28 games for a meager plus 4 ?


This team flat out sucks Period. At this point everyone is expendable. If tradi g away Keith or Seabrook means you have to part ways with Kahuan and or sikura, then so be it.
This teams can't score , has no defense , a lack of leadership or energy , the skill level is a complete joke.

Nobody on this team deserves a pass with the exception Johki.
- Taylorst1

Why do you continue to rant about trading this guy or that’s guy sucks?????
If the same guy who put this poop show together is here why would you think he could suddenly make it better???? Better to just rant about replacing bowman then move people out.

Playing along with this idea of the Hawks assumedly having the #1 pick and selecting Hughes then trading with the Canucks, what if we flip it on its head by keeping Jack and trading for Quinn?

Maybe something like Boqvist++ for Quinn with the ++ being another D prospect and other assets like picks or whoever you all want.

Kane really liked and seemed to want the Hawks to draft Quinn. Imagine how ecstatic Kane would be to get him and Panarin this off season? That’s quite a fantasy world but still not crazy. Could play out if all the stars align.

Canucks can throw in Motte so the Hawks can have back Saad, Panarin, and Motte from that same trade. I actually like Motte’s game and think he could be solid on the 4th line with Kampf and Hayden.
- AEL_Fox

Just saw this after I posted the same, that is what I have kept thinking about the last few days...get the hughes brothers together on the Hawks!!

Panarin-Petterson-Kane
Saad-Toews-Sikura or ???
Cat-Strome-Perlini or ???
Fortin-Kampf-Kahun
Hayden/Johnson/Highmore/ELC guys OR FA signing

Keith-Joki
Murphy-Boqvist
Forsling-Tanev
Manning/Dahlstrom

Crow
Forsberg/Delia/Nalimov/Lankinen/FA signing
- Savetheembers33

If that proposed Canucks trade plays out and Panarin signs for no more than $9MM, then I do like that lineup as it spreads the offense across 3 lines and avoids rolling out two 4th lines like the Hawks have been.

The defense would still be a work in progress but just let it continue to grow as older guys are phased out and 1-2 youngsters are eased in each season.

To me, the question would then be which line is the shutdown line? The line that makes most sense is Toews line but that would take away from their ability to maximize their offense especially if Sikura is their playmaker.

4th line as the shutdown group would be ideal but not with Fortin and Kahun as the wingers. I like Kampf as the center but flank him with wingers who are solid on defense. Agitation would be a plus.

EDIT: Kahun is decent on defense but I just don't see him as a 4th liner. He is best playing middle 6 creating offense and not being relegated to a shutdown role.

Only half way through listening, I’m actually surprised Stan went on with those guys!
- walleyeb1

Yeah, can't stand that website and similar ones. I know there's a market for fans who like that style but it's hard to take these sites seriously. Yes, they can be brutally honest when such honesty is needed but doesn't mean their overall analytical skills are top flight.