I’m a firm believer that some people out there exist that should never become wealthy whereas others out there that are responsible and do honourable things with money. I guess what I’m saying is I hope all the young guys-stars on leafs can stay responsible on and off the ice with the big $$$$ in such that it does not ruin them as a person. Only good things is what I hope for.

I think this team would destroy most previous cup winning teams playing by todays rules you are stuck in the past. It's OK though keep throwing anchors.
- Drapz

My bad..marner is 4th.

My bad..marner is 4th.
- mykokes

I'm not saying the Leafs are bad offensively. But the defense needs work. They rely way too much on Andersen and when you look at the teams that usually win Cups, the defense is way better than what the Leafs have to offer.

I'm not saying the Leafs are bad offensively. But the defense needs work. They rely way too much on Andersen and when you look at the teams that usually win Cups, the defense is way better than what the Leafs have to offer.
- Unholy_Goalie

Who can we add without giving up nylander

I'm not saying the Leafs are bad offensively. But the defense needs work. They rely way too much on Andersen and when you look at the teams that usually win Cups, the defense is way better than what the Leafs have to offer.
- Unholy_Goalie

Name a cup winning team that hasn't relied on a goal tender or hasn't had a Captain. The leafs on average allow 2 more shots against per game its not like its a massive statistical difference because only 27 games. Trade deadline will see if anyone wants to play some D for a cup run.

Cheers folks good night

Name a cup winning team that hasn't relied on a goal tender or hasn't had a Captain. The leafs on average allow 2 more shots against per game its not like its a massive statistical difference because only 27 games. Trade deadline will see if anyone wants to play some D for a cup run.
- Drapz

Not as much as the Leafs rely on Andersen. Great goaltending is usually there but not without great defense too. Even Hasek, possibly the best goalie ever, couldn't do it in Buffalo, he needed Detroit. The difference? Lidstrom, among others.

Those extra shots don't seem to matter but in the playoffs, when they throw bodies in front looking for tips and deflections, it makes a huge difference.

I'm not saying the Leafs are bad offensively. But the defense needs work. They rely way too much on Andersen and when you look at the teams that usually win Cups, the defense is way better than what the Leafs have to offer.
- Unholy_Goalie

The D will be upgraded by the deadline, maybe not to the extent that you're hoping for, but they will add a piece or two. We have some solid prospects, could possibly deal our 1st (seems like to perfect year to) and some cap space to work with.

Who was PIT's D during their last cup?

It's all about getting hot at the right time and riding it.

This team will be ready come playoff time. poop, we might even take the President's Trophy along the way.

The D will be upgraded by the deadline, maybe not to the extent that you're hoping for, but they will add a piece or two. We have some solid prospects, could possibly deal our 1st (seems like to perfect year to) and some cap space to work with.

Who was PIT's D during their last cup?

It's all about getting hot at the right time and riding it.

This team will be ready come playoff time. poop, we might even take the President's Trophy along the way.
- As_I_See_It

Pretty dumb to waste those assets on a rental, especially if they don't bring in a big name and they lose in the playoffs anyway.

Everybody keeps saying Pittsburgh and it's a bad comparison. It's especially bad because there's 10+ more examples of teams with way better defense. So obviously, one thing works more often and that's having good defense.

Pretty dumb to waste those assets on a rental, especially if they don't bring in a big name and they lose in the playoffs anyway.

Everybody keeps saying Pittsburgh and it's a bad comparison. It's especially bad because there's 10+ more examples of teams with way better defense. So obviously, one thing works more often and that's having good defense.
- Unholy_Goalie

People use the PIT example because it’s recent and therefore relevant.

It’s also pretty dumb not to use some of your assets now that you’re in a great position and closer to a cup than you’ve been in the last half century. Whether you want to believe it or support it, this team will most likely be taking a few calculated risks to improve enough to win.

Quit being so pessimistic, delusional and acting like you’re the only one who knows anything about this team and/or game. Honestly man, people are tired of your bullpoop and it’s well past time you shut the (frank) up and enjoy the ride.

People use the PIT example because it’s recent and therefore relevant.

It’s also pretty dumb not to use some of your assets now that you’re in a great position and closer to a cup than you’ve been in the last half century. Whether you want to believe it or support it, this team will most likely be taking a few calculated risks to improve enough to win.

Quit being so pessimistic, delusional and acting like you’re the only one who knows anything about this team and/or game. Honestly man, people are tired of your bullpoop and it’s well past time you shut the (frank) up and enjoy the ride.
- As_I_See_It

Crosby and Malkin. Leafs don't have them. The Penguins did and still do.
- Unholy_Goalie

And what were Crosby and Malkin before they won cups? How do you know we don't have Crosby and Malkin when the best players on this team are still on ELC's? Like wtf are you even talking about....

Kings didn't have Crosby or Malkin, neither did the Hawks, or the Bruins, or Washington. You know why? Because they were still on Pittsburgh.

People use the PIT example because it’s recent and therefore relevant.
- As_I_See_It

Or because it's the one (poopty) example they have because the rest of them fly in the face of it.

It’s also pretty dumb not to use some of your assets now that you’re in a great position and closer to a cup than you’ve been in the last half century. Whether you want to believe it or support it, this team will most likely be taking a few calculated risks to improve enough to win.

Nah, it's dumber to waste those potentially cheap ELC players (very important for the future) on a rental who would leave and don't really guarantee success.

Quit being so pessimistic, delusional and acting like you’re the only one who knows anything about this team and/or game. Honestly man, people are tired of your bullpoop and it’s well past time you shut the (frank) up and enjoy the ride.

Typical resorting to insults. Sad really.

And what were Crosby and Malkin before they won cups? How do you know we don't have Crosby and Malkin when the best players on this team are still on ELC's? Like wtf are you even talking about....

Kings didn't have Crosby or Malkin, neither did the Hawks, or the Bruins, or Washington. You know why? Because they were still on Pittsburgh.
- harps43

They didn't but they did have their own star players (which the Leafs) and more effective defenses (which the Leafs do not).

Crosby and Malkin had 100 point seasons after two years in the NHL. Three of them actually between the two of them. Clearly, you're missing that Crosby and Malkin, as a duo, are clearly on a different level.

Mess of a poster = Chicago had no grit.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yea compare their seasons when the league had 7 players scoring 100+ points and the top scorers were all scoring way more than they do now when other than last season there has maybe been 1 100+ player in the league.

That isn't relevant because it doesn't fit your arguement though

They didn't but they did have their own star players and more effective defenses.
- Unholy_Goalie

But you specifically said the leafs don't have Crosby and Malkin and have said this multiple times.

Yea compare their seasons when the league had 7 players scoring 100+ points and the top scorers were all scoring way more than they do now when other than last season there has maybe been 1 100+ player in the league.

That isn't relevant because it doesn't fit your arguement though
- harps43

Crosby, 2nd season, Art Ross and MVP.

But you specifically said the leafs don't have Crosby and Malkin and have said this multiple times.
- harps43

Yeah because people are trying to say you don't need defense to win a Cup which more often than not is false and the one time it happened, it was because of an exceptional, literally best player of his generation.

Yeah because people are trying to say you don't need defense to win a Cup which more often than not is false and the one time it happened, it was because of exceptional, literal MVP players that the Leafs don't have.
- Unholy_Goalie

2016

Crosby: 19 points in 24 games

Malkin: 18 points in 23 games

2017

Crosby: 27 points in 24 games

Malkin: 28 points in 25 games


These numbers just cannot possibly be matched ever! Truly the greatest playoff performances in NHL history! Dumbass.

Crosby, 2nd season, Art Ross and MVP.
- Unholy_Goalie

But didn't win the cup that year, so who cares? You don't need a Crosby to win the cup... There is no one way to win a cup, every team is different no matter how you want to spin it and the game is different every year but you are stuck in 2006 and 2011 so you dont comprehend that

But didn't win the cup that year, so who cares? You don't need a Crosby to win the cup... There is no one way to win a cup, every team is different no matter how you want to spin it and the game is different every year but you are stuck in 2006 and 2011 so you dont comprehend that
- harps43

Nashville’s defence > Pittsburgh’s defence


Pittsburgh won.


But how??? Surely not with speed and skill.

Yeah because people are trying to say you don't need defense to win a Cup which more often than not is false and the one time it happened, it was because of an exceptional, literally best player of his generation.
- Unholy_Goalie

Look at Pens 2016 and 2017 bluelines, they are in no way on paper better than the leafs right now. And you'll just say Crosby and Malkin like that means they are better than all 12 of the leafs forwards put together.

Team defence and systems > anything you can put on paper. Accept the team we have or stfu and gtfo

Nashville’s defence > Pittsburgh’s defence


Pittsburgh won.


But how??? Surely not with speed and skill.
- Steven_Seagull

Nashville didn't have Crosby and Malkin so no chance at winning for the preds.

Nashville didn't have Crosby and Malkin so no chance at winning for the preds.
- harps43

That must be it. Which is probably why the Penguins win every year.