Even at the same age, Keith was killing way more penalties.

If Rielly is better defensively, then why isn't he killing penalties?
- Unholy_Goalie

Have you missed Rielly's entire career prior to this year? He's getting good PP time finally for the first time in his career. Why hold that against him? He plays against the opposition's top players every night.

Even at the same age, Keith was killing way more penalties.

If Rielly is better defensively, then why isn't he killing penalties?
- Unholy_Goalie

Why would you have an offensive d killing penalties?

- GreatGigInTheSky

Good bye

Not really because history still shows that the vast majority of teams have had a Keith, Doughty, Lidstrom etc.
- Unholy_Goalie

where can we find a young version of this player?

I think the better debate is who can the Leafs toss some draft picks/prospects at to nab a rental defenceman in February?

Does Kronwall still have good minutes in him?
- The Law

where can we find a young version of this player?
- dmnted

Trouba

Crosby and Malkin. Leafs don't have them. The Penguins did and still do.
- Unholy_Goalie

Dude.

You are comparing a 14 and 13 year career to two 2.25 year careers.

Give it a (frank)ing rest. Matthews and Marner haven’t had a chance to show they belong in the greats.

Why? Because they have played 2 (frank)ing full seasons.

Malkin and Crosby were both at one point two seasons in, zero cups. Then they wrote their own history.

You are a mess of a poster on here. You talk about the same thing all day which honestly is impressive that you have the time and stubbornness to talk about the same exact thing all day.

No one on here enjoys listening to the same crap on here so give it a rest or leave. Because at this point no one enjoys your presence on here.

Have you missed Rielly's entire career prior to this year? He's getting good PP time finally for the first time in his career. Why hold that against him? He plays against the opposition's top players every night.
- RogerRoeper

Good for him and his point totals. He's still not defensively as strong as Keith was when they were winning Cups.

If you want to say he's playing against top opposition, how the (frank) can that be the case if he's not killing penalties? Those are the hard minutes the Leafs need somebody to play that clearly Hainsey can't play anymore.

Even at the same age, Keith was killing way more penalties.

If Rielly is better defensively, then why isn't he killing penalties?
- Unholy_Goalie

Cool man.

Different coach, completely different players, different oppositions, different decade.

Stop comparing every facet of the game to players that played 10 seasons ago. It’s so unnecessary.

Good for him and his point totals. He's still not defensively as strong as Keith was when they were winning Cups.

If you want to say he's playing against top opposition, how the (frank) can that be the case if he's not killing penalties? Those are the hard minutes the Leafs need somebody to play that clearly Hainsey can't play anymore.
- Unholy_Goalie

I did clearly state he's been better in every way at the same age as Keith. Keith was 25 before he had his first 50 point season.

Dude.

You are comparing a 14 and 13 year career to two 2.25 year careers.

Give it a (frank)ing rest. Matthews and Marner haven’t had a chance to show they belong in the greats.

Why? Because they have played 2 (frank)ing full seasons.

Malkin and Crosby were both at one point two seasons in, zero cups. Then they wrote their own history.

You are a mess of a poster on here. You talk about the same thing all day which honestly is impressive that you have the time and stubbornness to talk about the same exact thing all day.

No one on here enjoys listening to the same crap on here so give it a rest or leave. Because at this point no one enjoys your presence on here.
- Santo_44

Crosby and Malkin had 100 point seasons after two years in the NHL. Three of them actually between the two of them. Clearly, you're missing that Crosby and Malkin, as a duo, are clearly on a different level.

Mess of a poster = Chicago had no grit.

I just ate olives. Now I’m hungry.

Did you even notice that the leafs are on average shooting at the net 2 times less per game than their opposition this season? Did you also notice that we are on average scoring 1 more goal per game this season? Is this sustainable someone may or may not point out! Well yes actually if we have better forwards who can score.

Crosby and Malkin had 100 point seasons after two years in the NHL. Three of them actually between the two of them. Clearly, you're missing that Crosby and Malkin, as a duo, are clearly on a different level.

Mess of a poster = Chicago had no grit.
- Unholy_Goalie

You HATE the Leafs.....Admit it.

Crosby and Malkin had 100 point seasons after two years in the NHL. Three of them actually between the two of them. Clearly, you're missing that Crosby and Malkin, as a duo, are clearly on a different level.

Mess of a poster = Chicago had no grit.
- Unholy_Goalie

Pens had a lot of depth issues throughout their history with Crosby/Malkin until Rutherford addressed it. The Leafs depth is simply at another level Crosby and Malkin ever had until 2015-16 season.

NYlander is our 6th or 7th best player, remember?

The Leafs have the best offensive team in the entire NHL.

I did clearly state he's been better in every way at the same age as Keith. Keith was 25 before he had his first 50 point season.
- RogerRoeper

You stated it but it doesn't make it true. I'm not concerned with the points. I'm concerned with the Leafs defense. Rielly is scoring points, yes, but he's not really killing penalties anymore and he's not playing 25+ minutes a game either. If you compare him to what Keith was doing when he won a Cup, there's still room for growth and improvement defensively. And, on top of that, Keith had help that Rielly doesn't have like Seabrook etc.

Nylander is TOTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY getting traded before the draft, right before Matthews and Marner sign!

Awesome message to send.

You stated it but it doesn't make it true. I'm not concerned with the points. I'm concerned with the Leafs defense. Rielly is scoring points, yes, but he's not really killing penalties anymore and he's not playing 25+ minutes a game either. If you compare him to what Keith was doing when he won a Cup, there's still room for growth and improvement defensively. And, on top of that, Keith had help that Rielly doesn't have like Seabrook etc.
- Unholy_Goalie

For the FIRST TIME IN HIS CAREER AND SOMEHOW YOU ARE HOLDING THAT against him!

Crosby and Malkin had 100 point seasons after two years in the NHL. Three of them actually between the two of them. Clearly, you're missing that Crosby and Malkin, as a duo, are clearly on a different level.

Mess of a poster = Chicago had no grit.
- Unholy_Goalie

Crosby's first year per wikipedia "The Penguins struggled defensively, finishing 30th overall in goals allowed, with 310 (excluding 6 shootout goals allowed)"

Back-check? Matthews back checks pal.

Matthews/Marner/Tavares/Nylander/Kapanen/Kadri.

Sick talent.

Pens had a lot of depth issues throughout their history with Crosby/Malkin until Rutherford addressed it. The Leafs depth is simply at another level Crosby and Malkin ever had until 2015-16 season.

NYlander is our 6th or 7th best player, remember?

The Leafs have the best offensive team in the entire NHL.
- RogerRoeper

Penguins had a lot of injury issues to both Crosby and Malkin actually. Fleury too. Now Murray as well. And Letang was hurt a bunch too. Those were bigger problems than depth.

Tampa Bay says otherwise.

Crosby and Malkin had 100 point seasons after two years in the NHL. Three of them actually between the two of them. Clearly, you're missing that Crosby and Malkin, as a duo, are clearly on a different level.

Mess of a poster = Chicago had no grit.
- Unholy_Goalie

LOL

Please man, stop comparing 2006 to 2018.

It’s not the same (frank)ing time period.

There was 7 100 point scorers in 2006-7. There were 3 last year.

There were 14 scorers over 90 points in 2006-07. There were 9 last year.

Stop being an idiot.

Penguins had a lot of injury issues to both Crosby and Malkin actually. Fleury too. Now Murray as well. And Letang was hurt a bunch too. Those were bigger problems than depth.

Tampa Bay says otherwise.
- Unholy_Goalie

Well, they have scored 10 more goals than the Leafs.
What's interesting is the Leafs have allowed 10 goals less than Tampa.

Let's examine this, Kadri is suspended for 3 games, every player other than Marner and perhaps Marleau and Rielly played horrible, Freddie posted a .896 save %.
The Leafs lost in the 3rd period of game 7.
Will all of that happen again+JT will be invisible?

Bruins have major depth and health issues right now.
- RogerRoeper

THIS.
Leafs youth also a year older And better and have last year as a lesson they will learn from.
Also the narrative that Matthews wasn’t good is a bit of a myth. He generated his usual 4 shots a game rate. At his usual shooting percentage that would have been 5 goals - he got 1. A bit of puck luck and he would have had 4 more. Sprinkle in those four goals and the Leafs win.
He also will have learned a lot from last year and has shown he is a quick study.
Reilly is better (though still learning defensively). Kappay is better. Etc...
JT is an awesome addition.
Only Hainsey and Marleau seem less than last year’s version.
I’d say the Leafs would take it this year, and in less than 7 games.

For the FIRST TIME IN HIS CAREER AND SOMEHOW YOU ARE HOLDING THAT against him!
- RogerRoeper

He should be playing more, not less, if he really is this #1 defensive juggernaut you're trying to say he is.