Not if it improves the team.
- Unholy_Goalie

Not right now though. Not 48 hours after he made that promise.

Not exactly true. If he retires July 2nd, 2019, he gets his signing bonus and only leaves his salary on the table which is pretty small. If he retires in Arizona, they eat his cap hit (which they want to reach the floor which will rise again next year) and pay him zero dollars.
- Unholy_Goalie

Ding ding ding .... winner gagnant

Who wrote that crap?
- Woderwick

Some bloke on the Nucks thread. Unsure as to which team he's a fan of.

I've narrowed it down to Boston, Buffalo, Detroit, Ottawa, Montreal, Carolina, Washington, Islanders, Rangers, Tampa, Columbus, Florida, Pittsburgh, Philly, New Jersey, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Dallas, Chicago, St. Louis, LA, San Jose, Arizona, Anaheim, Nashville, Vegas, Minnesota or Colorado

Not if he's traded to Arizona on July 2nd, 2019 and then retires.

A rookie? To replace Hainsey? 82 games? Heavy PK minutes? Heavy top pairing minutes? I doubt it.
- Unholy_Goalie

Almost anyone to replace Hainsey (but no Polak), please!
Or at least to push him down to 3rd pairing with some PK time where he belongs.

6.25 AAV for 47 points?

With the Leafs cap situation, they're way better off having Marleau retire in Arizona on July 2nd, 2019.
- Unholy_Goalie

Numbers aside.

Marleau plays for a very good team. He has an NMC. He presumably would like to win a cup. I see no scenario he doesn't play next year for the Leafs unless he has a career ending injury.

yeah, because injuries never happen next year/ other teams never getting better than your team in the future...

better go all in now!
- 21peter

Other teams will also get older and get worse like Washington, Pittsburgh, Boston etc.

The Leafs window is just starting to open and they should try to keep it open for as long as possible.

If they did it your way and sold the farm and then lose, then what?

Some bloke on the Nucks thread. Unsure as to which team he's a fan of.

I've narrowed it down to Boston, Buffalo, Detroit, Ottawa, Montreal, Carolina, Washington, Islanders, Rangers, Tampa, Columbus, Florida, Pittsburgh, Philly, New Jersey, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Dallas, Chicago, St. Louis, LA, San Jose, Arizona, Anaheim, Nashville, Vegas, Minnesota or Colorado
- walshyleafsfan

If it was a Nucks thread, then dude is probably a life long Golden Knights fan.

Not exactly true. If he retires July 2nd, 2019, he gets his signing bonus and only leaves his salary on the table which is pretty small. If he retires in Arizona, they eat his cap hit (which they want to reach the floor which will rise again next year) and pay him zero dollars.
- Unholy_Goalie

He still has to waive the NMC. Why would he do that, as he seems to like playing with the Leafs young guns (and who wouldn't)?

Not if it improves the team.
- Unholy_Goalie

I kinda agree with UG on this one as can any human being carry out all the promises we make in life private or public? If Dubas can make this team better in the future he has got to do what he has to do. When he said it he meant it in scincerety but let’s live a little and see what happens this season. Coke really bothers me though.

Other teams will also get older and get worse like Washington, Pittsburgh, Boston etc.

The Leafs window is just starting to open and they should try to keep it open for as long as possible.

If they did it your way and sold the farm and then lose, then what?
- Unholy_Goalie

Did BURKE say “We are not trading a shenn?

Not right now though. Not 48 hours after he made that promise.
- PatC80

I never said right now. And it wasn't really a "promise". He said it was his "intention" to not trade him. That's basically the same as saying "We're not looking to trade him." The promise seemed more towards the "sign and trade" scenario.

Best scenario is Marlesu retires after lifting the cup this year. This is a very real possibility.

There’s zero chance he gets moved to Ari. He’s made his money and got himself into the HOF conversation. He’s not going to Ari with a NTC.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I see it as an argument that is worth repeating every day until mid summer next year. FFS It may or may not happen. Third scenario - what if Arizona trade him back holding a percentage of his cap for a pair of Matthews game worn socks? (Not sure if that's possible)

Numbers aside.

Marleau plays for a very good team. He has an NMC. He presumably would like to win a cup. I see no scenario he doesn't play next year for the Leafs unless he has a career ending injury.
- TheMussel

He still has to waive the NMC. Why would he do that, as he seems to like playing with the Leafs young guns (and who wouldn't)?
- Dr. Leaf

Because he may have agreed to the scenario when they signed him to get more money but keep the cap hit low. The contract is perfectly designed for him to collect a signing bonus, waive his NTC and then retire in Arizona.

Other teams will also get older and get worse like Washington, Pittsburgh, Boston etc.

The Leafs window is just starting to open and they should try to keep it open for as long as possible.

If they did it your way and sold the farm and then lose, then what?
- Unholy_Goalie

no one said 'sell the farm', but use that 27M in available tdl space together with a trade/prospect/pick to get stronger for the deep run!

Because he may have agreed to the scenario when they signed him to get more money but keep the cap hit low. The contract is perfectly designed for him to collect a signing bonus, waive his NTC and then retire in Arizona.
- Unholy_Goalie

Cool and clandestine if true - but it sounds too much like a far-fetched conspiracy theory. Don't think that type of deal happens in the real world - even though it would be a good solution - I just don't see that as realistic (unless you have a source to back it up with).

Because he may have agreed to the scenario when they signed him to get more money but keep the cap hit low. The contract is perfectly designed for him to collect a signing bonus, waive his NTC and then retire in Arizona.
- Unholy_Goalie

Help me out here UG

Philadelphia did they not sign carter and Richards to enormous contracts and promised the moon??
What happened after that? There I helped your case UG

I never said right now. And it wasn't really a "promise". He said it was his "intention" to not trade him. That's basically the same as saying "We're not looking to trade him." The promise seemed more towards the "sign and trade" scenario.
- Unholy_Goalie

There is other stuff to trade end the fixation with Nylander. I would trade Kadri, kaps, picks, prospects before Nylander. Defence could be improved no point repeating it every 2nd page of every blog.

hey, wait a minute - no Pietrangelo talk...

no one said 'sell the farm', but use that 27M in available tdl space together with a trade/prospect/pick to get stronger for the deep run!
- 21peter

They can't use all of the space available this year. Have to keep some to cover the bonuses that Matthews/Marner will make on ECL deals. If they don't then those bonuses count against next years cap when they can't afford to waste any cap space. So need to save 3-5 mill of this years space to accommodate the bonuses those guys will definitely be getting.

hey, wait a minute - no Pietrangelo talk...
- 21peter

Wait until 3 am.

no one said 'sell the farm', but use that 27M in available tdl space together with a trade/prospect/pick to get stronger for the deep run!
- 21peter

Well at the deadline, it usually requires selling the farm to get those players because they're usually overpriced.

I'd rather see them make a move that helps both for the playoffs as well as longer term like Brown for Bennett than move picks and prospects for a pure rental.

hey, wait a minute - no Pietrangelo talk...
- 21peter

“LTIR”

Cool and clandestine if true - but it sounds too much like a far-fetched conspiracy theory. Don't think that type of deal happens in the real world - even though it would be a good solution - I just don't see that as realistic (unless you have a source to back it up with).
- Dr. Leaf

The contract structure is pretty obvious.

There is other stuff to trade end the fixation with Nylander. I would trade Kadri, kaps, picks, prospects before Nylander. Defence could be improved no point repeating it every 2nd page of every blog.
- Drapz

Kadri has a cheaper contract and plays a bigger two-way role. Kapanen is also cheaper. Nylander is also more valuable as a trade piece which means you bring back a better defender in return.

6.25 AAV for 47 points?

With the Leafs cap situation, they're way better off having Marleau retire in Arizona on July 2nd, 2019.
- Unholy_Goalie

This isn't how the NHL works.

But you know that, and you're not here to actually have a discussion, you're merely vexatious. Wish I had that kind of free time bud.