I don't know how they did it, or swung it, but that is not the rules for the CBA on a 35+ contract. It could have been because Plekanec's was a 1 year deal - but Marleau's deal is exactly what the 35+ clause is there to protect against. When you backdive a deal so that the final years are cheaper, on a player who is going to potentially retire . . . the full hit applies.
- Monkeypunk

I'm going to double check, but I think there is a difference between retirement and mutual termination of contract.

I'll be back.

I'm dead serious.
- Atomic Wedgie

How the F is mutually agreeing to terminate a contract different from retiring.

You are f'ing with me now aren't you Wedgie.

I was talking to Mitch the other day, he said he would do a small bridge deal so Marleau could stay 1 more year. Can still play and the whole team loves him.

In a nutshell:

If both the player and the team agree to rip up the contract, the contract is null and void, meaning no cap hit.
- Atomic Wedgie

I can't believe none of you bumholes liked my Unholy_Garthie quote.

How the F is mutually agreeing to terminate a contract different from retiring.

You are f'ing with me now aren't you Wedgie.
- Aetherial

it is different.. Plekanec is free to sign with a team that would actually want him

I'm going to double check, but I think there is a difference between retirement and mutual termination of contract.

I'll be back.
- Atomic Wedgie

the 35+ rule - no wiggle room on this one. Injury or Trade are the only ways to avoid the cap hit.

In a nutshell:

If both the player and the team agree to rip up the contract, the contract is null and void, meaning no cap hit.
- Atomic Wedgie

OK, that is the answer I wanted if correct. He is obviously not the player he was and might think enough already and go back to live in San Jose with his hot wife, spend time with his kids and the zillion dollars he has earned in his career.

I was talking to Mitch the other day, he said he would do a small bridge deal so Marleau could stay 1 more year. Can still play and the whole team loves him.
- Garnie

Mitch has NO say in his contract. Only his agent has any input at all.

With leivo gone sparks is only leaf left from 2011 draft


- BreathLeafs2015

looks like an average Rangers draft

the 35+ rule - no wiggle room on this one. Injury or Trade are the only ways to avoid the cap hit.
- winsix

In a nutshell:

If both the player and the team agree to rip up the contract, the contract is null and void, meaning no cap hit.
- Atomic Wedgie

When Datsyuk said he wouldn't return to Detroit, why didn't Redwings terminate the contract as well? Saying you won't report back is same as saying you don't want the contract anymore..?

Never understood how Montreal pulled off that 'mutual termination of contract' with Plekanec..

Mitch has NO say in his contract. Only his agent has any input at all.
- Aetherial

Not true, but ok.

OK, that is the answer I wanted if correct. He is obviously not the player he was and might think enough already and go back to live in San Jose with his hot wife, spend time with his kids and the zillion dollars he has earned in his career.
- Rang

His kids all play hockey in TO, I'd presume his wife also moved to Toronto.

Not true, but ok.
- Garnie

Apparently it is true, just ask him, or Matthews.

In fact, they have both already completely dodged the question by playing the "that's why we have agents" card.

I guess the belief is that we, as fans, are supposed to not be aware that the players employ the agents and not vice versa.

Fact that Leivo only got traded today seems to indicate there were serious trade talks going on around Nylander.

Not great value coming back for Leivo, I thought he was playing well. Better off trading Holl or Marincin.

Dubas overpaid on Nylander hugely - welcome to the real NHL, Harry!

Positive thing: I think Leafs were classy and told Leivo he was going to be traded - and whether he wanted to play for team X or Vancouver (assuming 2 deals on the table). Instead of him not knowing where he'd end up if going through waivers, they involved him in a decision; at this return it's more important to treat the players well - surely other players in the organisation will value that.
Still a very very mediocre return though.
- plantheparade

You're exaggerating.
Dubas did not hugely overpay Nylander. Perhaps 300-800K per year.... that's not huge.

Leivo played 50 career games for the team.. who cares if the team was considerate to him. He's a nobody.

looks like an average Rangers draft
- 21peter

Who did Leivo's mom blow to get drafted anyways

28 points in his draft year.

via GIPHY

- markmark

You'll be telling it at work so don't give me a hard time

Who did Leivo's mom blow to get drafted anyways

28 points in his draft year.
- Garnie

could be that all the assists was primary...

When Datsyuk said he wouldn't return to Detroit, why didn't Redwings terminate the contract as well? Saying you won't report back is same as saying you don't want the contract anymore..?

Never understood how Montreal pulled off that 'mutual termination of contract' with Plekanec..
- plantheparade

It's hard to tell, because there's no mention of it in the CBA.

I'm probably wrong on this.

The difference is the 35+ contract - which they tried to make it so that you couldn't pull shenanigans.

But the question is: did they specifically address a mutual termination of contract, as opposed to wording it as guarding against a player retiring?

It's a question for MLSEL management.

I'm hoping I'm right, but I'm probably not.

could be that all the assists was primary...
- 21peter

Oh right, forgot about the old important primary assist stat.

When Datsyuk said he wouldn't return to Detroit, why didn't Redwings terminate the contract as well? Saying you won't report back is same as saying you don't want the contract anymore..?

Never understood how Montreal pulled off that 'mutual termination of contract' with Plekanec..
- plantheparade

It was a one-year deal with Plekanec.

The 35+ rule only applies to contracts of 2 years or more.

When Datsyuk said he wouldn't return to Detroit, why didn't Redwings terminate the contract as well? Saying you won't report back is same as saying you don't want the contract anymore..?

Never understood how Montreal pulled off that 'mutual termination of contract' with Plekanec..
- plantheparade

Plekanec has been in the organization since 2001. He's been a Habs his whole life (aside from that small stint where he became the Leafs #1 centre in the playoffs) and truly wants what's best for the team. Even if it hurts him.

That's how you pull something like that off.

Can't put every player in the same boat as that pure class gentleman Plecky is.

Apparently it is true, just ask him, or Matthews.

In fact, they have both already completely dodged the question by playing the "that's why we have agents" card.

I guess the belief is that we, as fans, are supposed to not be aware that the players employ the agents and not vice versa.
- Aetherial

No respect for the ones that pay their salaries

It's hard to tell, because there's no mention of it in the CBA.

I'm probably wrong on this.

The difference is the 35+ contract - which they tried to make it so that you couldn't pull shenanigans.

But the question is: did they specifically address a mutual termination of contract, as opposed to wording it as guarding against a player retiring?

It's a question for MLSEL management.

I'm hoping I'm right, but I'm probably not.
- Atomic Wedgie

Plekanec said "I don't want to play in Montreal anymore"
Bergevin said "Good, we don't want you to play in Montreal anymore"

You're exaggerating.
Dubas did not hugely overpay Nylander. Perhaps 300-800K per year.... that's not huge.


Leivo played 50 career games for the team.. who cares if the team was considerate to him. He's a nobody.
- Mr_Smokey

it's a 5-10% overpayment.
that's 1-2 million extra caphit for Marner and Matthews as well... (obviously they'll use that)

and players definitely care how teams treat there players - especially the ones getting traded. assuming that there was indeed some sort of consultation with Leivo on where he wanted to go, I think that's a really clever move by Leafs.