Hey Guys (and gulls)

I know this is a little off the wall, but hear me out.

I wonder if the Leafs should consider trading Nylander for a top pairing right-handed Dman. It might help the salary cap a bit and would balance out the team. We already have enough scoring.

The problem is I am not sure who they should go after. One guy I was thinking of is Pietrangelo in St. Louis. ?
- Aetherial

Pietrangelo will NEVER sign an extension with the Leafs... because of taxes and stuff...

I thought someone said that earlier this year...

Hey Guys (and gulls)

I know this is a little off the wall, but hear me out.

I wonder if the Leafs should consider trading Nylander for a top pairing right-handed Dman. It might help the salary cap a bit and would balance out the team. We already have enough scoring.

The problem is I am not sure who they should go after. One guy I was thinking of is Pietrangelo in St. Louis. ?
- Aetherial

Is that the one that's like Tavares, but plays D?

Irrelevant. Hainsey, Zaitsev and Ozhiganov are a weak collection of RHD.

Definitely worth trading Nylander for an upgrade on D.
- Unholy_Goalie

Upgrade at D? Sure. Specifically Pietrangelo? Pass.

Would be a decent trade but again, it's a fantasy. Pietrangelo is not available yet so all of this discussion is based on something that is 100% made up.
- 13sundin13

2nd last placed team with 1 year left on his deal and he grew up playing with Tavares. I'd say there's at least one or two incentives for it to happen. If St. Louis was in a playoff spot and everything was going great for them, sure, it's a fantasy. But the reality is, they're a horrible team this year and if you were Pietrangelo, would you want to re-sign with a poop team during the prime of your career? It wouldn't be the first time a star defender was traded from St. Louis.

A normal person would concede there are other ways to improve the D without trading a young guy just in his prime for an older player coming out of his prime and has a bad contract.
- systemtool

Leafs need to start the rebuild right (frank)ing now! They gave up McElhinney for nothing, now they don't have a legitimate back up goalie. ...... Oh Sorry I forgot, that's the midnight to 3 am rant.

(frank) yeah, Pietrangelo is the defenseman equivalent of John Tavares.
- walshyleafsfan

can you imagine how crap Pietrangelo will become once he becomes a Leaf?

and what will try call him Snakangelo?

(frank) yeah, Pietrangelo is the defenseman equivalent of John Tavares.
- walshyleafsfan

Now, if they want to package up Nylander and Gardiner and a pick for Seth Jones... I would be all in. Too bad he is all but untouchable

A normal person would concede there are other ways to improve the D without trading a young guy just in his prime for an older player coming out of his prime and has a bad contract.
- systemtool

I kind of want the Leafs to find other stuff to trade for D upgrades along with developing guys in the system. Not necessarily one big ticket guy. They have their Norris quality guy in Rielly now because of drafting and developing.

This way, they can keep Nylander and go for the Pittsburgh style win, where they nuke teams with overwhelming, multi-headed monster offense and great goaltending, and they don't need a monster D.

Still saying they need upgrades to the D, but they don't need to go all-in on buying high on one guy.

Hey Guys (and gulls)

I know this is a little off the wall, but hear me out.

I wonder if the Leafs should consider trading Nylander for a top pairing right-handed Dman. It might help the salary cap a bit and would balance out the team. We already have enough scoring.

The problem is I am not sure who they should go after. One guy I was thinking of is Pietrangelo in St. Louis. ?
- Aetherial

Pass

Is that the one that's like Tavares, but plays D?
- walshyleafsfan

YES! I think that is the guy

can you imagine how crap Pietrangelo will become once he becomes a Leaf?

and what will try call him Snakangelo?


- BorjeFan4Ever

PieTraitorelo?

PieTraitorelo?
- Steven_Seagull

Pietrashgelo

Irrelevant. Hainsey, Zaitsev and Ozhiganov are a weak collection of RHD.

Definitely worth trading Nylander for an upgrade on D.
- Unholy_Goalie

Doesn't mean they need to lose a trade to acquire a better RHD. The Leafs could get away with adding a 2nd tier defenceman and bumping Hainsey down. Improved defence and still have Yeslander to add to an already elite offence.

I kind of want the Leafs to find other stuff to trade for D upgrades along with guys in the system. Not necessarily one big ticket guy. They have their Norris quality guy in Rielly now because of drafting and developing.

This way, they can keep Nylander and go for the Pittsburgh style win, where they nuke teams with overwhelming, multi-headed monster offense and great goaltending, and they don't need a monster D.

Still saying they need upgrades to the D, but they don't need to go all-in on buying high on one guy.
- Zezel

Lacking a Crosby and a Malkin. History also shows that having good defense works more often than trying to win every game like it's a track meet. Washington would lead the league in scoring, win the President's trophy then lose in the 1st round. They did that for 10ish years before it worked. And when they finally won, they weren't even playing that style anymore.

He’ll be 29 in January. Pass.
- Steven_Seagull

oops !



That changes the picture. I don’t know I’d do that then with St. Louis


Can’t we just grab a free agent after July 1st

Say goodbye to marleau. I mean I know you may all be sentimental but he’s 40 @ $6.25

Say goodbye to hainsey @ $3 mil

I guess it really depends on what we sign 34 & 16 for before we make determinations. Nylander might impress everyone here that we no longer want more move him.

PieTraitorelo?
- Steven_Seagull

I could see that... except of course it will never happen because it is a really dumb trade proposal.

Other than that... its great

Doesn't mean they need to lose a trade to acquire a better RHD. The Leafs could get away with adding a 2nd tier defenceman and bumping Hainsey down. Improved defence and still have Yeslander to add to an already elite offence.
- BetterCallSaul

They wouldn't be losing the trade. It's a win and a fair deal at worst.

Upgrade at D? Sure. Specifically Pietrangelo? Pass.
- Steven_Seagull

I liked dumba last night. Terrific wheels and can shoot the puck

Actually, not really. Tavares has never won anything in the NHL. He's been among the best, without actually being the best. No Art Ross, no Richard, no MVP etc. That's actually similar to Pietrangelo, who is also considered among the best without winning awards (no Norris although voted fairly high sometimes). They've both been in the same boat.

And no, not much more of a gamble. Plenty of top end defenders have proven they can play into their mid 30s. It's not any more of a risk than it was to sign Tavares until he's in his mid 30s.

And they grew up playing together so there's that connection between the two of them that might help a deal come together.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yes, really, Tavares is on another level of player than Pietrangelo, imo. And saying Tavares had no Richard is a low blow man. I know he proved your tax theory wrong but there's no need to impugn his manhood.

2nd last placed team with 1 year left on his deal and he grew up playing with Tavares. I'd say there's at least one or two incentives for it to happen. If St. Louis was in a playoff spot and everything was going great for them, sure, it's a fantasy. But the reality is, they're a horrible team this year and if you were Pietrangelo, would you want to re-sign with a poop team during the prime of your career? It wouldn't be the first time a star defender was traded from St. Louis.
- Unholy_Goalie

Still 100% speculation and fantasy. There are so many reasons why the Blues would keep him as well as reasons he'd want to stay.

It's a nice one off thing to fantasize about but until there's some kind of rumour that Pietrangelo is on the move I think you're wasting a lot of time talking about it.

They wouldn't be losing the trade. It's a win and a fair deal at worst.
- Unholy_Goalie

I'm a fan of Pietrangelo. The Leafs lose that trade.

Yes, really, Tavares is on another level of player than Pietrangelo, imo. And saying Tavares had no Richard is a low blow man. I know he proved your tax theory wrong but there's no need to impugn his manhood.
- Zezel

No, really, he isn't. Pietrangelo has been a 1st team All-Star, he's been top 5 in Norris voting. They just play different positions but reality is, they're both very similar in being among the leaders without actually winning awards.

Lacking a Crosby and a Malkin. History also shows that having good defense works more often than trying to win every game like it's a track meet. Washington would lead the league in scoring, win the President's trophy then lose in the 1st round. They did that for 10ish years before it worked. And when they finally won, they weren't even playing that style anymore.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yet having a Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Nylander...along with Kadri, and Kap

And let's not forget Rielly on D

The offensive speed game is the way of the now

Still 100% speculation and fantasy. There are so many reason why the Blues would keep him as well as reason he'd want to stay.

It's a nice one off thing to fantasize about but until there's some kind of rumour that Pietrangelo is on the move I think you're wasting a lot of time talking about it.
- 13sundin13

Blues may want to keep him but they're a poop team and they've been progressively getting worse every year. Again, if you're Pietrangelo, do you want to stay there long term if winning isn't even an option? And at that point, do the Blues let him walk for nothing? I seriously doubt they do and then they start looking for younger players in return for Pietrangelo so he doesn't walk for nothing.

So the Leafs relied on themselves to win the game? If the other team was better they would have won...
- systemtool

MIB and ug are the same person.