Better trade old man Tavares. He's so ancient and decidedly old.
- Unholy_Goalie

Tavares was 27 when he signed, and it didn’t cost a Nylander.

Pietrangelo will be 30 when his new contract starts, and according to your stupid trade, will cost a Nylander.

Pass.

We didn't give up a 22 year old with high skill and potential to get him, you ignoramus.
- systemtool

Don't need Nylander, already have Matthews, Marner and Tavares.

Do need a #1 RHD though.

You've just started and you're already showing your impotence with sad attempts at insults.

Leafs can't let Bozak and JVR walk. Think of the future. Fack winning now.

Nylander is 22. Trade him for a 29 year old. Fack the future. Win now

Same guy. Same calendar year. Said both things.
- systemtool

So true.

- bixll

Run, save yourself.

Tavares was 27 when he signed, and it didn’t cost a Nylander.

Pietrangelo will be 30 when his new contract starts, and according to your stupid trade, will cost a Nylander.

Pass.
- Steven_Seagull

Tavares signing eats up the cap space allocated to forwards which indirectly costs Nylander's spot.

Pietrangelo was born in the same (frank)ing year as Tavares and he's a player whom the Leafs actually need more than they need Nylander.

The "cost" of Nylander is a fair one to pay if it balances the team positions and defensively.

Don't need Nylander, already have Matthews, Marner and Tavares.

Do need a #1 RHD though.

You've just started and you're already showing your impotence with sad attempts at insults.
- Unholy_Goalie

Don't quote me. Its insulting when scoonts like you do it.

Don't need Nylander, already have Matthews, Marner and Tavares.

Do need a #1 RHD though.

You've just started and you're already showing your impotence with sad attempts at insults.
- Unholy_Goalie

Oh.

So you're upset I don't have an erection?

Tavares signing eats up the cap space allocated to forwards which indirectly costs Nylander's spot.

Pietrangelo was born in the same (frank)ing year as Tavares and he's a player whom the Leafs actually need more than they need Nylander.

The "cost" of Nylander is a fair one to pay if it balances the team positions and defensively.
- Unholy_Goalie

Irrelevant. Tavares was 27 when he signed, Pietrangelo will be 30 when his next contract will start. Not worth trading Nylander for. Pass.

Leafs can't let Bozak and JVR walk. Think of the future. Fack winning now.

Nylander is 22. Trade him for a 29 year old. Fack the future. Win now

Same guy. Same calendar year. Said both things.
- systemtool

It's as if this is why people don't take his opinion seriously

Or Pietrangelo stabilizes the Leafs defense on the right side with his 25+ minutes per game and Nylander is a 60 point player without Matthews. It's really easy to play this game you're playing. Reality is though, Pietrangelo is in his prime and exactly what the Leafs need. It'd be a fair hockey trade that could benefit both teams.
- Unholy_Goalie

I'm just saying there is a way it's a bad trade. I think something like Hall for Larsson you could say beforehand there's no way this can be bad for Jersey. This trade you're proposing for Nylander has more risk than you think imo. I'm not even saying no way would I consider it, but I wouldn't plan the parade after that deal by any means.

Irrelevant. Tavares was 27 when he signed, Pietrangelo will be 30 when his next contract will start. Not worth trading Nylander for. Pass.
- Steven_Seagull

Irrelevant. Hainsey, Zaitsev and Ozhiganov are a weak collection of RHD.

Definitely worth trading Nylander for an upgrade on D.

Irrelevant. Tavares was 27 when he signed, Pietrangelo will be 30 when his next contract will start. Not worth trading Nylander for. Pass.
- Steven_Seagull

Something so blatantly obvious only a (frank)ing idiot needs to be told this.

Hard pass. You"d have to be a serious coont faced schlong to approve that deal.
- systemtool

No kidding - a two year rental off to a horrible start - plus he's now injured.

I'm just saying there is a way it's a bad trade. I think something like Hall for Larsson you could say beforehand there's no way this can be bad for Jersey. This trade you're proposing for Nylander has more risk than you think imo. I'm not even saying no way would I consider it, but I wouldn't plan the parade after that deal by any means.
- Zezel

A normal person would concede there are other ways to improve the D without trading a young guy just in his prime for an older player coming out of his prime and has a bad contract.

If Pietrangelo had an extension, absolutely no (frank)ing way it's a bad deal for the Leafs.
- Unholy_Goalie

Pietrangelo will NEVER sign an extension with the Leafs... because of taxes and stuff...

I thought someone said that earlier this year...

It's as if this is why people don't take his opinion seriously
- walshyleafsfan

Facking brutal

Irrelevant. Hainsey, Zaitsev and Ozhiganov are a weak collection of RHD.

Definitely worth trading Nylander for an upgrade on D.
- Unholy_Goalie

Like my feathered friend pointed out, you wanted to trade Nylander, Gardiner and a 1st for Karlsson this summer - how's that looking now? Even that imbecile Chia Pet wouldn't do that!

I'm just saying there is a way it's a bad trade. I think something like Hall for Larsson you could say beforehand there's no way this can be bad for Jersey. This trade you're proposing for Nylander has more risk than you think imo. I'm not even saying no way would I consider it, but I wouldn't plan the parade after that deal by any means.
- Zezel

There's also many ways it's a good trade. Actually, more good ways than bad.

It's not even close to Hall for Larsson. Hall proved more than Nylander and Pietrangelo has proved more than Larsson.

What's the risk exactly? If there's no extension, yeah, that's a risk he could leave for nothing after one season. But I clearly said, Pietrangelo with an extension and Pietrangelo with an extension is a 25+ minute a night, two-way #1 RHD. He kills penalties, he blocks shots, he's a big body, he logs a lot of time and he fills a major area of weakness on the right side. And the "cost" is a player whom the Leafs have proven they can score goals without. They have Matthews, Marner and Tavares, and even with a Matthews injury, still scored goals. What they need is a guy on the blueline who can help take the work load off Andersen and help the team play better defense.

Also Tavares is on another level from Pietrangelo. Guys on a truly elite level like that are more likely to be the outliers who age better and retain value for cap hit on their last big deal. Guys a tier down like Pietrangelo are more of a risk in their 30s in a cap world. Much more of a gamble.

There's also many ways it's a good trade. Actually, more good ways than bad.

It's not even close to Hall for Larsson. Hall proved more than Nylander and Pietrangelo has proved more than Larsson.

What's the risk exactly? If there's no extension, yeah, that's a risk he could leave for nothing after one season. But I clearly said, Pietrangelo with an extension and Pietrangelo with an extension is a 25+ minute a night, two-way #1 RHD. He kills penalties, he blocks shots, he's a big body, he logs a lot of time and he fills a major area of weakness on the right side. And the "cost" is a player whom the Leafs have proven they can score goals without. They have Matthews, Marner and Tavares, and even with a Matthews injury, still scored goals. What they need is a guy on the blueline who can help take the work load off Andersen and help the team play better defense.
- Unholy_Goalie

Pietrangelo will NEVER sign an extension with the Leafs... because of taxes and stuff...

I thought someone said that earlier this year...

Also Tavares is on another level from Pietrangelo. Guys on a truly elite level like that are more likely to be the outliers who age better and retain value for cap hit on their last big deal. Guys a tier down like Pietrangelo are more of a risk in their 30s in a cap world. Much more of a gamble.
- Zezel

Actually, not really. Tavares has never won anything in the NHL. He's been among the best, without actually being the best. No Art Ross, no Richard, no MVP etc. That's actually similar to Pietrangelo, who is also considered among the best without winning awards (no Norris although voted fairly high sometimes). They've both been in the same boat.

And no, not much more of a gamble. Plenty of top end defenders have proven they can play into their mid 30s. It's not any more of a risk than it was to sign Tavares until he's in his mid 30s.

And they grew up playing together so there's that connection between the two of them that might help a deal come together.

Hey Guys (and gulls)

I know this is a little off the wall, but hear me out.

I wonder if the Leafs should consider trading Nylander for a top pairing right-handed Dman. It might help the salary cap a bit and would balance out the team. We already have enough scoring.

The problem is I am not sure who they should go after. One guy I was thinking of is Pietrangelo in St. Louis. ?

There's also many ways it's a good trade. Actually, more good ways than bad.

It's not even close to Hall for Larsson. Hall proved more than Nylander and Pietrangelo has proved more than Larsson.

What's the risk exactly? If there's no extension, yeah, that's a risk he could leave for nothing after one season. But I clearly said, Pietrangelo with an extension and Pietrangelo with an extension is a 25+ minute a night, two-way #1 RHD. He kills penalties, he blocks shots, he's a big body, he logs a lot of time and he fills a major area of weakness on the right side. And the "cost" is a player whom the Leafs have proven they can score goals without. They have Matthews, Marner and Tavares, and even with a Matthews injury, still scored goals. What they need is a guy on the blueline who can help take the work load off Andersen and help the team play better defense.
- Unholy_Goalie

Would be a decent trade but again, it's a fantasy. Pietrangelo is not available yet so all of this discussion is based on something that is 100% made up.

(frank) yeah, Pietrangelo is the defenseman equivalent of John Tavares.