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dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 29 @ 11:22 AM ET
He obviously went against Hextall's food and fitness program.
- jmatchett383


I sense a new running gag when something goes sideways...
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 29 @ 11:22 AM ET
I miss thesteeg10
- Just5

terrific mouthpiece dangler
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Nov 29 @ 11:24 AM ET
Love Stone but correct me if I’m wrong, he’s unsigned after this season? He’s going to get a huge next deal, more then what Voracek is currently signed for.
- Marc D


Yup. And this may have just been for the purpose of shooting high as RFA with arbitration but it was reported he was asking for 8M+
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 29 @ 11:25 AM ET
Yup. And this may have just been for the purpose of shooting high as RFA with arbitration but it was reported he was asking for 8M+
- arichardson22

Yeh he could get 9m in a bidding war if he goes UFA
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Nov 29 @ 11:26 AM ET
If they moved Simmonds in a deal for a quality goalie that can be our #1 for the next 2-3 years or a good young center who can play effectively in our top 9 and kills penalties well, I'd be fine with that. I'd expect more coming back though if we are moving Jake.
- BiggE


I want Duchene to center G and TK. Coots moves down and gets more PK time. I'm fine with that. Add a strong Dman and get a stop-gap goalie for these next 2 seasons.

I can totally see the scenario where Hart comes up towards the end of this season and holds his own. Speeds up timeline. I've been very impressed with everything he has said and done to prepare for this opporunity (sans the electric bill:-)). Stats will improve.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 29 @ 11:28 AM ET
Yeh he could get 9m in a bidding war if he goes UFA
- Marc D


And I’ll take him over Jake hands down. He is the better player.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 29 @ 11:29 AM ET
I believe it was during Lavy's tenure that whenever our 3rd pair d were out there the Richards line was with them. They were the most responsible forward group on the team and the 3rd pair won't be exposed. I always felt THAT was good coaching. Too many times, the whole 5v5 group is out there for Offense. Ghost with G and/or Jake. I guess that was Murph's fault?

Now Ghost is a little different than whoever that 3rd pair was (Ryan Parent at one point?? IDK) because of his offensive ability. But when we have a lead late, Ghost, TK, Vorachek shouldn't see the ice.

- cdearth23


Exactly, Ghost is a top 4 defenseman. Nothing less. He is not the best defensive defenseman, but far from the worst, but obviously shines on the PP and creating offense. He is no better or worse than Letang, Reily or Chabot.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 29 @ 11:30 AM ET
I don't mind Chuck Fletcher or any of the GM candidates -- at some point, people need the opportunity to reinvent themselves

Minnesota hasn't missed the playoffs since 2011-12. Three of those years, they lost to an in-prime Blackhawks team that won Cups for two of those years

If you make trades, you will win some and lose some

The guy who traded Brent Burns is the same guy who acquired Devan Dubnyk

I just am not scared of who they hire, as long as it isn't an absolute dinosaur like Brian Burke

mikel33
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 08.09.2007

Nov 29 @ 11:32 AM ET
Soooooo, how is everyone?
- Glak18

Nervous
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 29 @ 11:32 AM ET
And I’ll take him over Jake hands down. He is the better player.
- Just5

You’d be ok with him getting 7yrs X 8.5+M?

I think that’s what it would take

Also what if the Sens want Jake + a high pick/good prospect since Stone is the better player?
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Nov 29 @ 11:33 AM ET
Ek claiming we are looking at Quick, Smith, Anderson
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 29 @ 11:35 AM ET
Just wanted to say thanks, Bill. That was probably my favorite article of yours. You really are unmatched.
- YuenglingJagr


This!! Thank you Bill!!

As for GM, I’d like Zito or Hunter. Fletcher didn’t set the world on fire in Minny. Very average. I also question his drafting ability. I like Hunter a lot, aside from his douchebag brother Dale. Zito is very respected by his peers, and from what I’ve seen has a fairly good eye for seeing talent.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 29 @ 11:36 AM ET
Ek claiming we are looking at Quick, Smith, Anderson
- arichardson22


Smith's been bad, Quick's injury-prone, Anderson's ancient

Would rather they look a little deeper at a guy like Aaron Dell, but no telling if he's available
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 29 @ 11:36 AM ET
Quick is almost 33 with four+ years left at $5.8m. What a great option.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 29 @ 11:37 AM ET
You’d be ok with him getting 7yrs X 8.5+M?

I think that’s what it would take

Also what if the Sens want Jake + a high pick/good prospect since Stone is the better player?

- Marc D



Everything depends.

The Sens could like the deal because they have someone signed long term to build around.

I think Voracek to Edmonton makes a lot of sense. Both teams could use a roster shuffle. I keep thinking of a deal like this in my head.

Main pieces:
To Edmonton: Voracek
To Philadelphia: Nugent-Hopkins and Puljujarvi

Secondary Pieces:
To Edmonton: some mix of Gudas, 2nd or 3rd rounder type pick, Vorobyev or Similar player
To Philadelphia: Khaira or bottom 6 player, maybe brings size and edge in his game

I hope it makes sense how i laid it out.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 29 @ 11:37 AM ET
Thanks Bill


They are still firing the wrong people

- corduroy


They aren't done with the scorching yet...
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Nov 29 @ 11:37 AM ET
Exactly, Ghost is a top 4 defenseman. Nothing less. He is not the best defensive defenseman, but far from the worst, but obviously shines on the PP and creating offense. He is no better or worse than Letang, Reily or Chabot.
- Glak18



I think we get too hung up on 1st, 2nd, 3rd pair.

To me its more about minutes played. Ghost on the "3rd" pair, getting sent out on offensive draws, more offensive situations and getting big PP minutes will always get big minutes regardless of his label.

That is all I am trying to say.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Nov 29 @ 11:39 AM ET
And I’ll take him over Jake hands down. He is the better player.
- Just5


Not disagreeing and I don’t watch Stone all too often, but what else is he better at other than defense? Is Stone on the Sens PK? Their yearly goal totals are close but Jake has the advantage in assists/playmaking.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 29 @ 11:40 AM ET
Canes are putting Darling on waivers.

2 more years left at 4.125.

He's been bad but would you swap Neuvirth for Darling.

At least we get a goalie who seems to be healthy and did play well in Chicago.

Canes get cheaper one year back up.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 29 @ 11:40 AM ET
In 2006-2007 They Flyers attendance was recorded at 98.9% of capacity.

This season through 13 games they are at 97.9%

Is this team that much worse than the 06-07 Flyers?

- corduroy


They count season tickets as attended wether they are used or not. Less season ticket holders?
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 29 @ 11:40 AM ET
Everything depends.

The Sens could like the deal because they have someone signed long term to build around.

I think Voracek to Edmonton makes a lot of sense. Both teams could use a roster shuffle. I keep thinking of a deal like this in my head.

Main pieces:
To Edmonton: Voracek
To Philadelphia: Nugent-Hopkins and Puljujarvi

Secondary Pieces:
To Edmonton: some mix of Gudas, 2nd or 3rd rounder type pick, Vorobyev or Similar player
To Philadelphia: Khaira or bottom 6 player, maybe brings size and edge in his game

I hope it makes sense how i laid it out.

- J35Bacher


Chiarelli gets fired for that -- he's already getting fired, but he can't give up two younger, cost-controlled assets for a 2007 draftee
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Nov 29 @ 11:41 AM ET
Everything depends.

The Sens could like the deal because they have someone signed long term to build around.

I think Voracek to Edmonton makes a lot of sense. Both teams could use a roster shuffle. I keep thinking of a deal like this in my head.

Main pieces:
To Edmonton: Voracek
To Philadelphia: Nugent-Hopkins and Puljujarvi

Secondary Pieces:
To Edmonton: some mix of Gudas, 2nd or 3rd rounder type pick, Vorobyev or Similar player
To Philadelphia: Khaira or bottom 6 player, maybe brings size and edge in his game

I hope it makes sense how i laid it out.

- J35Bacher


Really don’t know much about Khaira; what kind of player is he / what does he provide for a team, or more specifically our team?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 29 @ 11:42 AM ET
Chiarelli gets fired for that -- he's already getting fired, but he can't give up two younger, cost-controlled assets for a 2007 draftee
- AllInForFlyers



Yeah but you get that winger you've been hoping to find to play with Draisiatl.

They lost Benning for a while so could use defenseman.

J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 29 @ 11:43 AM ET
Really don’t know much about Khaira; what kind of player is he / what does he provide for a team, or more specifically our team?
- arichardson22



Khaira plays a Simmonds type game. Might not have as much offense but he is 6'4" and solid skater. He would be an instant fan favorite and would fill any grit or toughness if you moved Simmonds.

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 29 @ 11:44 AM ET
Everything depends.

The Sens could like the deal because they have someone signed long term to build around.

I think Voracek to Edmonton makes a lot of sense. Both teams could use a roster shuffle. I keep thinking of a deal like this in my head.

Main pieces:
To Edmonton: Voracek
To Philadelphia: Nugent-Hopkins and Puljujarvi

Secondary Pieces:
To Edmonton: some mix of Gudas, 2nd or 3rd rounder type pick, Vorobyev or Similar player
To Philadelphia: Khaira or bottom 6 player, maybe brings size and edge in his game

I hope it makes sense how i laid it out.

- J35Bacher

If the Flyers are trading Jake and Gudas and a 2nd rd pick to EDM I hope they are getting Draisaitl back
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