Regular Tuesday night game against the Panthers or playoff tickets?

Cuba is probably more of a guarantee of a good time. Something especially poopty about paying to watch a game and getting a bad outcome. It's almost like gambling.
- Unholy_Goalie

Regular season game. Back in the Kessel Phaneuf days. $550 all inclusive in varadero, taxes incl.

Borgman.
- Unholy_Goalie

Forgot about him. Putting up great #s in the A too - wow. Maybe time to give him a few games with the big club - waivers exempt as he is...

I'd save all the money spent on going to regular season games and spend it either on a really, really good TV or a really important playoff game.
- Unholy_Goalie

For me $200 a year all together to go to a game isn’t an issue. Everyone has a different opinion on how they value $200 but for me it’s really pennies in the grand scheme of things. I spend half that on Spotify each year. It’s a few tanks of gas. At the end of the day I think it’s well worth seeing a game live because for me it doesn’t compare to what you see on TV.

I can understand why some don’t like being around so many people or waiting in lines. But if you don’t mind all that as a hockey fan it’s a pretty cool thing to do imo.

I wish I could go more, it sucks watching it on TV for the next few weeks.

Regular season game. Back in the Kessel Phaneuf days. $550 all inclusive in varadero, taxes incl.
- systemtool

(frank) that noise. Those weren't Leafs games. Those were torturous events.

Forgot about him. Putting up great #s in the A too - wow. Maybe time to give him a few games with the big club - waivers exempt as he is...
- 21peter

People have said he got upset when Babcock benched him and sent him down last year and that's why he's not up here this year. Problem is, he's a LHD so he'd have to play his off side or replace Dermott. Odds are long of him getting any games if everyone is healthy.

Maybe if they trade Gardiner, promote Dermott and don't get a LHD in return.

(frank) that noise. Those weren't Leafs games. Those were torturous events.
- Unholy_Goalie

indeed they were.

Curious if you think keeping Nylander, to keep Matthews desire to play with high end talent, shouldnt be considered before trading him for defensive needs.

For me $200 a year all together to go to a game isn’t an issue. Everyone has a different opinion on how they value $200 but for me it’s really pennies in the grand scheme of things. I spend half that on Spotify each year. It’s a few tanks of gas. At the end of the day I think it’s well worth seeing a game live because for me it doesn’t compare to what you see on TV.

I can understand why some don’t like being around so many people or waiting in lines. But if you don’t mind all that as a hockey fan it’s a pretty cool thing to do imo.

I wish I could go more, it sucks watching it on TV for the next few weeks.
- Santo_44

I like to go to a few games, because of the experience, and seeing the whole thing in your field of vision and without the spatial distortion of camera lenses is cool. I wouldn't watch all of them live, even if I could afford it, because tv has its advantages too, but I do like live hockey a lot.

I also love Spotify.

People have said he got upset when Babcock benched him and sent him down last year and that's why he's not up here this year. Problem is, he's a LHD so he'd have to play his off side or replace Dermott. Odds are long of him getting any games if everyone is healthy.

Maybe if they trade Gardiner, promote Dermott and don't get a LHD in return.
- Unholy_Goalie

I want to see more of Holl.

indeed they were.

Curious if you think keeping Nylander, to keep Matthews desire to play with high end talent, shouldnt be considered before trading him for defensive needs.
- systemtool

Here we go, here we go

indeed they were.

Curious if you think keeping Nylander, to keep Matthews desire to play with high end talent, shouldnt be considered before trading him for defensive needs.
- systemtool

When Marleau retires, that 6 AAV can be spent on a UFA to play with Matthews. Kapanen and Marleau can suffice for now. The teams needs comes before Matthews' desires, especially if that help on defense helps the team win more (important) games which probably would make him happier than a skilled linemate.

If absolutely necessary, put Marner with Matthews and give Tavares different linemates considering Tavares is locked in and isn't going anywhere anyway and because Tavares has proven he can make average players into 20-30 goal scorers.

I want to see more of Holl.
- systemtool

Definitely. Ozhiganov should see more pine, more often.

I also think Ozhiganov, like many other rookie Europeans who have never played in North America, will hit a wall after game 45-50. Most Europeans, who were trained in Europe, don't play more than that many games per year and run out of gas, especially considering the NHL grind is not what they're use to.

People have said he got upset when Babcock benched him and sent him down last year and that's why he's not up here this year. Problem is, he's a LHD so he'd have to play his off side or replace Dermott. Odds are long of him getting any games if everyone is healthy.

Maybe if they trade Gardiner, promote Dermott and don't get a LHD in return.
- Unholy_Goalie

'people' says lots of things, mostly wrong though

When Marleau retires, that 6 AAV can be spent on a UFA to play with Matthews. Kapanen and Marleau can suffice for now. The teams needs comes before Matthews' desires, especially if that help on defense helps the team win more (important) games which probably would make him happier than a skilled linemate.
- Unholy_Goalie

And if Marner goes down our wingers would be weaker than our D. I strongly disagree with trading him. Hyman wasnt removed from Matthews line because hes happy playing with just anyone. Signing ufas is a cap crippling idea as opposed to signing a 22 year old with a longer future and less risk. Having the center depth we do is a waste if you cant give them quality wingers to play with. And health shouldn't be assumed.

Leafs can improve their d, without trading a young potential star, with picks and prospects.

'people' says lots of things, mostly wrong though
- 21peter

And if Marner goes down our wingers would be weaker than our D. I strongly disagree with trading him. Hyman wasnt removed from Matthews line because hes happy playing with just anyone. Signing ufas is a cap crippling idea as opposed to signing a 22 year old with a longer future and less risk. Having the center depth we do is a waste if you cant give them quality wingers to play with. And health shouldn't be assumed.
- systemtool

Yeah people confuse our centre depth with winger depth. This assumption that you just go get a winger to play with Matthews forgets that entire time when we had Sundin and no comparable wingers or ones at the end of their careers. And that was before the cap era.

And if Marner goes down our wingers would be weaker than our D. I strongly disagree with trading him. Hyman wasnt removed from Matthews line because hes happy playing with just anyone. Signing ufas is a cap crippling idea as opposed to signing a 22 year old with a longer future and less risk. Having the center depth we do is a waste if you cant give them quality wingers to play with. And health shouldn't be assumed.
- systemtool

Signing UFAs isn't crippling if there's a budget for it, especially because the cap always goes up and wingers are more available as UFAs than defense. Also, a UFA might take a cut to join a contender, especially older ones looking to win one before they retire, on short term deals. Not crippling at all.

If Andersen gets hurt, they're (frank)ed. Does that mean they should get a 6 million dollar #1 as the back-up? Of course not. Can't build a team on the "what if" somebody gets hurt. Fact is, the Leafs have centers who have proven they can make their wingers better. That's enough offensive power. What they don't have is the defense and defense is much more important in tight, tough, important games, than another winger.

- Unholy_Goalie

rumor has it you're one of those 'people'...

Yeah people confuse our centre depth with winger depth. This assumption that you just go get a winger to play with Matthews forgets that entire time when we had Sundin and no comparable wingers or ones at the end of their careers. And that was before the cap era.
- Zezel

Sundin was also the only guy capable of making his wingers better than they really were on his team. If the Leafs had another center (like Tavares) behind him, the wingers wouldn't have mattered as much.

Signing UFAs isn't crippling if there's a budget for it, especially because the cap always goes up and wingers are more available as UFAs than defense. Also, a UFA might take a cut to join a contender, especially older ones looking to win one before they retire, on short term deals. Not crippling at all.

If Andersen gets hurt, they're (frank)ed. Does that mean they should get a 6 million dollar #1 as the back-up? Of course not. Can't build a team on the "what if" somebody gets hurt. Fact is, the Leafs have centers who have proven they can make their wingers better. That's enough offensive power. What they don't have is the defense and defense is much more important in tight, tough, important games, than another winger.
- Unholy_Goalie

if you budget on a ufa to play with Matthews then youre getting a shart version of Nylander. Guess well have to agree to disagree. Was hoping for a more logical response but of course wasn't expecting it. That Anderson comparison was just stupid.

Ill pretend Matthews is fine playing with jabronis just to end this conversation.

When Marleau retires, that 6 AAV can be spent on a UFA to play with Matthews. Kapanen and Marleau can suffice for now. The teams needs comes before Matthews' desires, especially if that help on defense helps the team win more (important) games which probably would make him happier than a skilled linemate.

If absolutely necessary, put Marner with Matthews and give Tavares different linemates considering Tavares is locked in and isn't going anywhere anyway and because Tavares has proven he can make average players into 20-30 goal scorers.
- Unholy_Goalie

Its funny that people think hes just gonna retire next year. If he scores 15-20 this year. He'll be back

Sundin was also the only guy capable of making his wingers better than they really were on his team. If the Leafs had another center (like Tavares) behind him, the wingers wouldn't have mattered as much.
- Unholy_Goalie

rumor has that both those guys hate the Leafs

if you budget on a ufa to play with Matthews then youre getting a shart version of Nylander. Guess well have to agree to disagree. Was hoping for a more logical response but of course wasn't expecting it.

Ill pretend Matthews is fine playing with jabronis just to end this conversation.
- systemtool

And if you don't move Nylander for help on defense, you're (frank)ed in two ways. The first way is that Nylander is eating up more cap space for forwards, giving you less to get defense. And the second way, is that by not using him as an asset to upgrade a clear point of weakness at the cost of a surplus, it leaves a right side that is Hainsey, Zaitsev and Ozhiganov. (All three far bigger japronis than Marleau and Kapnen and playing a more important position too)

Marleau and Kapanen aren't jabronis. They're good enough wingers to get 20-30 goals each plus Tavares and Marner on the PP. It shouldn't be an issue either way, the Leafs can score goals.

Its funny that people think hes just gonna retire next year. If he scores 15-20 this year. He'll be back
- Fakepartofme

The contract is obviously created for him to retire after this year as a Coyote on July 2nd, 2019.

But even if he doesn't, it'll just be the next year.

Point is, they have good enough forwards and score enough goals. It's the defense, specifically the right side, that needs the help and it's Nylander that is the best chip to get that missing piece.

And if you don't move Nylander for help on defense, you're (frank)ed in two ways. The first way is that Nylander is eating up more cap space for forwards, giving you less to get defense and not using him as an asset to upgrade a clear point of weakness at the cost of a surplus thus leaving a right side that is Hainsey, Zaitsev and Ozhiganov.

Marleau and Kapanen aren't jabronis. They're good enough wingers to get 20-30 goals each plus Tavares and Marner on the PP. It shouldn't be an issue either way, the Leafs can score goals.
- Unholy_Goalie

Im pretty sure I said I agree to disagree. In other words, euphemisms aside, I asked you to shut up and stop talking stupid poop. Check our defensive gaa. We can defend too.

Im pretty sure I said I agree to disagree. In other words, euphemisms aside, I asked you to shut up and stop talking stupid poop.
- systemtool

Says he wants to agree to disagree.

Check our defensive gaa. We can defend too.

Then comes back to edit.