50.8?

58% he'd really be having some bad luck...
- Garnie

https://www.hockey-refere...k/kadrina01-advanced.html

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If they know what the other two want, why haven't they signed them yet?
- BINGO!

I have to think, because of Nylander.

They must know what Matthews and Marner want..

Dubas may have set a max value that they can give to each player, but Nylander is not agreeing to whatever the max they have set for him is/was.

I don't think it changes anything with them. Those guys are getting their money regardless, right?

Hell, the Leafs should have been trying to sign Marner the moment it was an option. He's only getting more expensive at this point anyway. I really don't think a couple hundred thousand for Nylander changes anything for the other two.
- BINGO!

The Nylander contract has the potential to change future contracts for every high skilled player in the league. He's trying to set a new bar. If he was going off historical deals he'd already be signed at like $6.5M.

I think he's a turd.

This comment came out of your bum hole.

You don’t know anything that has happened or will happen with Marner. For all we know Dubas could of offered him 15 million a season only for him to turn it down.
- Santo_44

Yes, it did.

But so is the suggestion that they already know what Marner and Matthews are looking for. Or essentially anything else that has to do with these current contract negotiations. We don't know jack poop.

Really good actually

Quick peek reveals Kadri CF% 58

Johnsson 47
- TheMussel

dang

Yes, it did.

But so is the suggestion that they already know what Marner and Matthews are looking for. Or essentially anything else that has to do with these current contract negotiations. We don't know jack poop.
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Maybe, but I highly doubt Dubas is clueless when it comes to what Matthews and Marner want.. Do you really think that they have not talked at all this past summer?

the vast majority of players should be rooting against nylander in this. if skilled players end up all making more money as a result of this the average joe nhler will have to take a pay cut since teams only have so much money to spend with a cap in place. the middle guys would all be looking at pay cuts.

The Nylander contract has the potential to change future contracts for every high skilled player in the league. He's trying to set a new bar. If he was going off historical deals he'd already be signed at like $6.5M.

I think he's a turd.
- daeth

Did you read the Athletic's piece where they went through what's happened historically with player of his production level on contracts?

They worked it out that he should fall somewhere between $6.9M and $7.3M per, if you use cap percentages and what other guys coming off of ELC's with his production levels have gotten.

Johnsson was off that line today in practice.
- bryant

Babs said he switched Marleau and Johnsson last night cause he wanted Kadri's line against Pavelski's and having Marleau on Kadri's wing made more sense.

That being said, I wish he kept the lines the same for another game or 2 to see how things play out.

Maybe, but I highly doubt Dubas is clueless when it comes to what Matthews and Marner want.. Do you really think that they have not talked at all this past summer?
- PatC80

I'm sure they have. It's just odd that there doesn't *APPEAR TO BE* a big push to have gotten these guys locked up earlier, though.

Did you read the Athletic's piece where they went through what's happened historically with player of his production level on contracts?

They worked it out that he should fall somewhere between $6.9M and $7.3M per, if you use cap percentages and what other guys coming off of ELC's with his production levels have gotten.
- BINGO!

As a fan of any team, would you want your GM to pay $6.9M or slightly more to your 5th, maybe 6th best player?

the vast majority of players should be rooting against nylander in this. if skilled players end up all making more money as a result of this the average joe nhler will have to take a pay cut since teams only have so much money to spend with a cap in place. the middle guys would all be looking at pay cuts.
- daeth

The middle guys are grossly overpaid anyway.

Since the 05 lockout we've seen huge growth in the salaries for middling players, while elite talent got hit hard on their contracts. They're only now getting back to the kind of $s they were making in the mid-late 90's.

I'm sure they have. It's just odd that there doesn't *APPEAR TO BE* a big push to have gotten these guys locked up earlier, though.
- BINGO!

Dubas must have told Matthews and Marner that he doesn't care about them at all, and that Nylander is the real big fish

the vast majority of players should be rooting against nylander in this. if skilled players end up all making more money as a result of this the average joe nhler will have to take a pay cut since teams only have so much money to spend with a cap in place. the middle guys would all be looking at pay cuts.
- daeth

So what you're saying is the NHL is a microcosm of the western world.

Did you read the Athletic's piece where they went through what's happened historically with player of his production level on contracts?

They worked it out that he should fall somewhere between $6.9M and $7.3M per, if you use cap percentages and what other guys coming off of ELC's with his production levels have gotten.
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i have not but i dont like those numbers so i will dismiss the entire article and say im right and they are wrong

I'm sure they have. It's just odd that there doesn't *APPEAR TO BE* a big push to have gotten these guys locked up earlier, though.
- BINGO!

I'm with you on this one, Bingsie.

If they could have signed them already, they would have signed them already.

So what you're saying is the NHL is a microcosm of the western world.


- TheMussel

As a fan of any team, would you want your GM to pay $6.9M or slightly more to your 5th, maybe 6th best player?
- PatC80

If I have 4 or 5 guys better than William Nylander on the team, I'm fine with it.

The Leafs don't, though.

They have 3 better.

Matthews, Marner, Tavares... MAAAAAAYBE Reilly. Maybe.

The middle guys are grossly overpaid anyway.

Since the 05 lockout we've seen huge growth in the salaries for middling players, while elite talent got hit hard on their contracts. They're only now getting back to the kind of $s they were making in the mid-late 90's.
- BINGO!

wasnt keith fatchuk making like $12M



edit: 10 mil in 03-04, 11 mil the year before

If I have 4 or 5 guys better than William Nylander on the team, I'm fine with it.

The Leafs don't, though.

They have 3 better.

Matthews, Marner, Tavares... MAAAAAAYBE Reilly. Maybe.
- BINGO!

Agree to disagree.. I think Matthews, Marner, Taveres, Rielly and even Andersen are more valuable.

Whoa, remember the true Wedgie story from yesterday?

it could have ended very, very differently:

https://nypost.com/2018/1...n-offended-customer-cops/

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kadrina01-advanced.html

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- TheMussel

Never used that site....says 51.3 if i'm looking at the right spot.

This is the site I usually view.

http://www.naturalstattri...&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

they are close though...50.8 - 51.3 pretty close

Agree to disagree.. I think Matthews, Marner, Taveres, Rielly and even Andersen are more valuable.
- PatC80

Yep!

Those 5 guys are more valuable for sure...
But in a real trade, Anderson would fall behind Nylander in value.

Dude came back from a shoulder injury and scored two goals and an assist - and you could actually make the argument that their were three better Leafs than him last night.

Has it ever been this much fun to be a Leafs fan in my entire life?

I guess this still isn't at 1993 playoff level, but it's the most fun I've ever had in the regular season.
- Atomic Wedgie

I know, I get all warm, fuzzy, and giddy thinking about this team.

Agreed it's not at 1993 level but it's getting damn close.

I don't think I've seen a more dynamic Leafs team in my 42 years on this earth.

Agree to disagree.. I think Matthews, Marner, Taveres, Rielly and even Andersen are more valuable.
- PatC80

he's at least close enough that there's an argument here

marner, rielly, and andersen are all better i would agree but they only really separated from the pack due to their growth this season. nylander may have improved just as much but he's not playing so we don't know yet