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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 29 @ 8:57 AM ET
That's fine but then don't turn out (Not talking about you BTW) and say they are biased and love the Leafs.

The night they beat LA and majority of people missed the game due to it starting at 10:30, I tuned into radio talk for an hour and it was all Leaf talk, but all about how Kapanen will leave and is too expensive. There was nothing about the actual game.

Best Leaf teams in decades and I feel they barely discuss the play of the Leafs.

That's how media here works, they don't act like that anywhere else.

- RogerRoeper

Some do in other big markets. Montreal for sure. But id prefer this to the blind homerism of some media people in other markets.
I listen to local sports radio all the time, the leafs play is discussed at length.
Its national broadcast where they have to add stupid hot takes and nonsense.
Tim and sid etc
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 29 @ 9:05 AM ET
Its not negativity if you know how the media works. Media 101. Sell papers, views, clicks, post, references create chatter.
Cater to the lowest denominator....and look at those on here mad at them but chatting about their quotes, tweets and articles.

- Fakepartofme


exactly.

ignore what they say as much as possible.

have the Leafs traded Nylander yet?
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Nov 29 @ 9:05 AM ET
No
- burn


Freidman then goes on the 2nd intermission and says, "whoa, this is just my opinion, it's not based on anything an agent or GM said".

Elliott, there are more than enough speculative op-ed pieces out there to last a lifetime of reading...
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Nov 29 @ 9:06 AM ET
It's so hilarious. The leafs are going to trade him cause they have hard feelings that he didn't sign for what THEY want him to sign for.

Nylander is a fantastic talent and the leafs aren't stupid enough to trade him because of poop that is made up (management hard feelings, fans hard feelings)

Media so hellbent on trying to tear down the leafs is highly entertaining. The leafs are the only team that have to deal with cap. They have lots of cap space and some of the smartest minds working the cap(the guy that helped write the (frank)ing cba is their assistant gm) but they can't make it work. Watch ou for offer sheets yeah, that thing that doesn't happen ever is going to happen. Players are going to want to leave one of the best young teams on the verge to go to some trash heap team .

- burn



It's pretty simple IMO.

Pay players like Nylander what they're worth; make cuts where necessary from lower liners. Draft and develop to ensure that you have guys that can always fill that gap.

If it comes down to $7m for Nylander (fair value), you do it. If that's a million more than you budgeted, you get that million back by replacing Connor Brown's $2.25 on your fourth line with a guy who makes $1-1.25m. You don't get into cap hell by paying players what they're worth - but you do by giving money and term to replaceable guys.

If you're worried about fitting in Nylander, Marner and Matthews, then you get rid of Brown and Zaitsev (and maybe Marleau, though it'd be nice to get him to play out his contract here). That's not to say that Brown is overpaid for his ability level (he's quite capable of mid-roster production), but when you're as deep as the Leafs then he's expendable.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Nov 29 @ 9:08 AM ET
Some do in other big markets. Montreal for sure. But id prefer this to the blind homerism of some media people in other markets.
I listen to local sports radio all the time, the leafs play is discussed at length.
Its national broadcast where they have to add stupid hot takes and nonsense.
Tim and sid etc

- Fakepartofme

French press can be rough in Montreal. The English media there blows the team daily.
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Nov 29 @ 9:10 AM ET
It's pretty simple IMO.

Pay players like Nylander what they're worth; make cuts where necessary from lower liners. Draft and develop to ensure that you have guys that can always fill that gap.

If it comes down to $7m for Nylander (fair value), you do it. If that's a million more than you budgeted, you get that million back by replacing Connor Brown's $2.25 on your fourth line with a guy who makes $1-1.25m. You don't get into cap hell by paying players what they're worth - but you do by giving money and term to replaceable guys.

If you're worried about fitting in Nylander, Marner and Matthews, then you get rid of Brown and Zaitsev (and maybe Marleau, though it'd be nice to get him to play out his contract here). That's not to say that Brown is overpaid for his ability level (he's quite capable of mid-roster production), but when you're as deep as the Leafs then he's expendable.

- lumlums


Once the dead $$ comes off the cap, they should be in good position.
IMO Marleau is gone after next year also.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Nov 29 @ 9:11 AM ET
French press can be rough in Montreal. The English media there blows the team daily.
- RogerRoeper

The French press is worse than any of the Leafs "haters." They're insane and bring up cocaine/partying/smoking/drinking/whores/sister whores etc. as daily speculative banter.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 29 @ 9:12 AM ET
French press can be rough in Montreal. The English media there blows the team daily.
- RogerRoeper


I guess you've never heard Tony Marinaro's psychotic rants with Twister Sister playing in the background.

Also, I prefer moka pots myself.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Nov 29 @ 9:13 AM ET
The French press is worse than any of the Leafs "haters." They're insane and bring up cocaine/partying/smoking/drinking/whores/sister whores etc. as daily speculative banter.
- AdamFrench

Eh, the French press is more about reputation now. They aren't as bad as in the 70's and 80's.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 29 @ 9:13 AM ET
The French press is worse than any of the Leafs "haters." They're insane and bring up cocaine/partying/smoking/drinking/whores/sister whores etc. as daily speculative banter.
- AdamFrench


They just report on what they know
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 29 @ 9:14 AM ET
It's pretty simple IMO.

Pay players like Nylander what they're worth; make cuts where necessary from lower liners. Draft and develop to ensure that you have guys that can always fill that gap.

If it comes down to $7m for Nylander (fair value), you do it. If that's a million more than you budgeted, you get that million back by replacing Connor Brown's $2.25 on your fourth line with a guy who makes $1-1.25m. You don't get into cap hell by paying players what they're worth - but you do by giving money and term to replaceable guys.

If you're worried about fitting in Nylander, Marner and Matthews, then you get rid of Brown and Zaitsev (and maybe Marleau, though it'd be nice to get him to play out his contract here). That's not to say that Brown is overpaid for his ability level (he's quite capable of mid-roster production), but when you're as deep as the Leafs then he's expendable.

- lumlums


its difficult to seemiingly treat loyal hard working players like Brown as you are suggesting... but it is exactly why the Leafs in previous regimes always blew up the CAP... too much for middling guys.

exactly correct, move out Brown or Zaitsev when you have a reasonable cheaper replacement, and hopefully get mid-round picks or prospects in return.

I do think in Nylander particular case the should be prepared to trade him if the right kind of deals comes along.... essentially move the CAP hit from forward to defense.
Mount Albert
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mount Albert, ON
Joined: 12.11.2008

Nov 29 @ 9:14 AM ET
I don’t give a poop what anyone says, setting a cap era hold out record and missing over a quarter of the most anticipated season in Leaf history is absolute horsepoop.

Nylander should’ve been on the ice for the home opener and I don’t understand why some people don’t get why fans are upset.

- Blazed

It’s all part of the master plan !! What’s there to be upset about ? Last I looked we were at the top,of the standings.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 29 @ 9:15 AM ET
It's pretty simple IMO.

Pay players like Nylander what they're worth; make cuts where necessary from lower liners. Draft and develop to ensure that you have guys that can always fill that gap.

If it comes down to $7m for Nylander (fair value), you do it. If that's a million more than you budgeted, you get that million back by replacing Connor Brown's $2.25 on your fourth line with a guy who makes $1-1.25m. You don't get into cap hell by paying players what they're worth - but you do by giving money and term to replaceable guys.

If you're worried about fitting in Nylander, Marner and Matthews, then you get rid of Brown and Zaitsev (and maybe Marleau, though it'd be nice to get him to play out his contract here). That's not to say that Brown is overpaid for his ability level (he's quite capable of mid-roster production), but when you're as deep as the Leafs then he's expendable.

- lumlums


its not that difficult if you have common sense.

Gardiner is another one, it would be nice to keep him..but they cant at his current pay or higher. They should have players to start filling in by next season on D.

unless you are blown away with an offer, you sign Nylander and keep him
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 29 @ 9:16 AM ET
It’s all part of the master plan !! What’s there to be upset about ? Last I looked we were at the top,of the standings.
- Mount Albert


Right behind Jack ECHL and Buffalol
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Nov 29 @ 9:17 AM ET
Right behind Jack ECHL and Buffalol
- TheMussel


Buffalo has a nice future, but they are about to crash hard. Their advanced stats are pretty brutal. This is a crazy hot streak and that's it. I am still not convinced they'll make the playoffs. We'll see.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 29 @ 9:20 AM ET
its not that difficult if you have common sense.

Gardiner is another one, it would be nice to keep him..but they cant at his current pay or higher. They should have players to start filling in by next season on D.

unless you are blown away with an offer, you sign Nylander and keep him

- senstroll


Until Marleau is off the books, you take Jake Gardiner's cap hit, turn it into money for Kapanen, Marner and Matthews contracts, hope Dermott continues to improve and put him up on the 2nd pairing with Z, and then get one of the kids to take his place hopefully, and if not go and sign a depth LHD, or keep giving the scouts in europe stuff to do.

Might be a step back on D for a season but you get to keep everybody long term.

My two cents.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Nov 29 @ 9:20 AM ET
Once the dead $$ comes off the cap, they should be in good position.
IMO Marleau is gone after next year also.

- zazzle


Absolutely.

The other thing to consider is that a deep Leafs run in the playoffs will add a chunk to the salary cap. If the Leafs went deep, up to 16 home playoff games would be a (frank)ing goldmine for hockey related revenue.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 29 @ 9:21 AM ET
It's pretty simple IMO.

Pay players like Nylander what they're worth; make cuts where necessary from lower liners. Draft and develop to ensure that you have guys that can always fill that gap.

If it comes down to $7m for Nylander (fair value), you do it. If that's a million more than you budgeted, you get that million back by replacing Connor Brown's $2.25 on your fourth line with a guy who makes $1-1.25m. You don't get into cap hell by paying players what they're worth - but you do by giving money and term to replaceable guys.

If you're worried about fitting in Nylander, Marner and Matthews, then you get rid of Brown and Zaitsev (and maybe Marleau, though it'd be nice to get him to play out his contract here). That's not to say that Brown is overpaid for his ability level (he's quite capable of mid-roster production), but when you're as deep as the Leafs then he's expendable.

- lumlums


Amen.

Also, whether you agree or not, Matthew's expects to play with high end skill players. Why Hyman was taken off his line. Trading WN would upset him. Especially when Tavares gets Marner.

Again, nobody has to agree, but keeping WN keeps Matthews happy.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 29 @ 9:22 AM ET
Once the dead $$ comes off the cap, they should be in good position.
IMO Marleau is gone after next year also.

- zazzle


Marleau could stick around. Not for more than a million a year tho.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Nov 29 @ 9:22 AM ET
its not that difficult if you have common sense.

Gardiner is another one, it would be nice to keep him..but they cant at his current pay or higher. They should have players to start filling in by next season on D.

unless you are blown away with an offer, you sign Nylander and keep him

- senstroll


Exactly. Next season, we'll possibly be looking at:

Dermott - Rielly
Rosen - Zaitsev
Sandin - Liljegren/Oz


It's a raw defence, but it fits Dubas' prototype of skilled and fast.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Nov 29 @ 9:24 AM ET
TIL primary assists are overrated
- senstroll


Exactly, the guy who made the last pass is always the reason for the goal....right?

*rolls eyes*

Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Nov 29 @ 9:28 AM ET
It's pretty simple IMO.

Pay players like Nylander what they're worth; make cuts where necessary from lower liners. Draft and develop to ensure that you have guys that can always fill that gap.

If it comes down to $7m for Nylander (fair value), you do it. If that's a million more than you budgeted, you get that million back by replacing Connor Brown's $2.25 on your fourth line with a guy who makes $1-1.25m. You don't get into cap hell by paying players what they're worth - but you do by giving money and term to replaceable guys.

If you're worried about fitting in Nylander, Marner and Matthews, then you get rid of Brown and Zaitsev (and maybe Marleau, though it'd be nice to get him to play out his contract here). That's not to say that Brown is overpaid for his ability level (he's quite capable of mid-roster production), but when you're as deep as the Leafs then he's expendable.

- lumlums


We’re getting rid of Zaitsev?

I like you again
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Nov 29 @ 9:34 AM ET
We’re getting rid of Zaitsev?

I like you again

- Garnie


I think Zaitsev can be moved.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 29 @ 9:37 AM ET
Amen.

Also, whether you agree or not, Matthew's expects to play with high end skill players. Why Hyman was taken off his line. Trading WN would upset him. Especially when Tavares gets Marner.

Again, nobody has to agree, but keeping WN keeps Matthews happy.

- systemtool


agreed here... but he did look pretty good with Kapanen and Johnsson last night. They had several possession shifts and with those two guys being so quick on either side ... lots of puck possession.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Nov 29 @ 9:38 AM ET
When he signs and he and Matthews are shredding the gnar and the Leafs are rolling with a home ice playoff seed locked up at the deadline there's no way they trade Willie.
- Zezel

what happens when they lose again in the first round?

asking for a friend
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