What that shows is that the system is in place. The PK isn't passive by design. It's passive in execution.
- MJL

No.

Voracek and Myers for a signed Duchene and Anderson would you guys be on board for that.
- FreshFlyer

NO

Neither did Bernie Parent
- Scoob

Who is that

That isn't usually the plan, but often is the end result.
- PLindbergh31

I just despise that’s its Homer making the call.

The guy made some good moves but (frank)ed the franchise when he didn’t have a poopload of cap space and had to worry about the implications. The man that undervalued the draft and held to making the first round of the playoffs when it was more then clear a rebuild was needed.

For all of Hextall’s faults. Holmgren was kind of a piece of poop too. Just my take.

At the end of it though, let’s see what happens. We may be pleasantly surprised. Doubt it, but maybe.

Yeah god forbid it turns out the two are actually good coaches and the problem was with personnel.
- bulet13

If you were on the outside looking in, you could make a case that they don't necessarily believe those two are the problem

Doesn't mean they won't get the gate. They will. But it's not that far-fetched that senior management doesn't see them as immediate concerns

I'm no Hak apologist and I think he has some serious downfalls but to be quite frank he didn't have that much to work with for many of the years here. I wasn't as hard on him the previous years because the roster just wasn't great but this year it seems he hasn't been able to get more out of a better roster. Now there are the goalie issues which can make any coach look bad but it's not like he's had loaded lineups to work with. I think his ice time management and timeout usage is a little strange and cause for concern sure but this team is actually solid 5 v 5 which is the biggest indicator of a system success. Not to say he doesn't have issues, but this isnt just on him. Everyone is at fault
- bulet13

Hak had a lot to work with.

The stars on this team basically kept this dumbass employed longer than he should have ever been.

Who is that
- KGBflyers10

just some guy - I think he's friends with Antii Niemi

The business side always wants consistent playoffs. That’s the goal here and why fletcher should be seen as the front runner. Real progressive forward thinker losing tuch and haula
- Just5

Man, I don't want Fletcher either.

You can't MAKE someone take a job but I wish I had Photos of Yzerman and Minnie Mouse in a compromising situation right now.

Man, I don't want Fletcher either.

You can't MAKE someone take a job but I wish I had Photos of Yzerman and Minnie Mouse in a compromising situation right now.
- mayorofangrytown

You need better fantasies... Just sayin.

It almost has to be something close to that, because there's really no reason to drop Pryor today unless he pissed you off with something relating to Hextall
- AllInForFlyers

It could also be clearing out any voices who might have any sort of inclination toward 'overvaluing'/protecting kids in the current prospect pool.

I just despise that’s its Homer making the call.

The guy made some good moves but (frank)ed the franchise when he didn’t have a poopload of cap space and had to worry about the implications. The man that undervalued the draft and held to making the first round of the playoffs when it was more then clear a rebuild was needed.

For all of Hextall’s faults. Holmgren was kind of a piece of poop too. Just my take.

At the end of it though, let’s see what happens. We may be pleasantly surprised. Doubt it, but maybe.
- flyer_nutter

Holmgren had 3 playoff round wins in one season. Hextall zero. I had a lot more fun back then.

I support your panic.

He was in charge and promoted Hextall though. I thought that was a good move. I question the firing although I understand that there was an intolerable product on the ice and a fear of making a move above bandaids for 4 years (apart from Schenn).
- mayorofangrytown

I don’t care if they fired Hex. Don’t give a (frank). If he was this loyal to a failing product by all means.

My bigger concern here is the new direction. I think they see the falling interest and overall sales and they want immediate gratification. Nothing wrong with making smart moves, but my fear is throwing the youth movement out the window to get a couple of quick runs with G still productive.

Hopefully they prove me wrong. Somehow I doubt it.

You need better fantasies... Just sayin.
- FlyersGrace

Than Yzerman being the Flyers GM?

Right now I can't think of one.

Just a question:

Yesterday was the first day I remember Holmgren really talking or doing anything since Hextall took over.

Yet everyone feels he will mess this up?

So he can't get it right again like he did with Hextall originally?

Holmgren had 3 playoff round wins in one season. Hextall zero. I had a lot more fun back then.
- mayorofangrytown

For sure. Hextall’s approach overall imo is the smarter one.

Holmgren had the benefit of coming in with a number of great free agents available and a poop load of cap space. Had carter and Richards already on board.

I don’t believe this franchise is ready to make a cup run with some moves for a few win now players. I want a product built to compete for multiple seasons.

All they had to do was fire the coaching staff and THEN evaluate in the off season if things really didn’t improve. Jesus (frank)ing Christ.

Just a question:

Yesterday was the first day I remember Holmgren really talking or doing anything since Hextall took over.

Yet everyone feels he will mess this up?

So he can't get it right again like he did with Hextall originally?
- J35Bacher

There should be a healthy level of concern. Holmgren flat out said we’re going to be seeing hart this year. Why? Is that not concerning?

It could also be clearing out any voices who might have any sort of inclination toward 'overvaluing'/protecting kids in the current prospect pool.
- Tomahawk

I hear you, but you don't even have a GM to make moves. Who is he even talking to about the list? I agreed with you earlier -- Homer looked more like a grandfather heading for retirement than he does somebody working the phones right now for a deal

That's why it's odd to me -- yeah, they are gonna hire somebody, but do you want all of your organizational senior knowledge on the street before you do?

There should be a healthy level of concern. Holmgren flat out said we’re going to be seeing hart this year. Why? Is that not concerning?
- Just5

Fans in the stands.

It’s funny though that they don’t realize a huge reason why the fans weren’t coming and aren’t is because of Hakstol.

The damage has been done there and nobody is going to magically think he’s now the saviour.

There should be a healthy level of concern. Holmgren flat out said we’re going to be seeing hart this year. Why? Is that not concerning?
- Just5

He did?

I don’t care if they fired Hex. Don’t give a (frank). If he was this loyal to a failing product by all means.

My bigger concern here is the new direction. I think they see the falling interest and overall sales and they want immediate gratification. Nothing wrong with making smart moves, but my fear is throwing the youth movement out the window to get a couple of quick runs with G still productive.

Hopefully they prove me wrong. Somehow I doubt it.
- flyer_nutter

I think Flyers fans are smart. It's not just a failing product. It's the feeling that the current team is neglected for a future that some people might not be around for.

This team has enough talent that maybe a move, without deviating from your draft and develop plan, could make this team more interesting. I feel coming back with the same goalies was a huge factor in fans feeling like there wasn't hope this year.

Fans are smart.

There should be a healthy level of concern. Holmgren flat out said we’re going to be seeing hart this year. Why? Is that not concerning?
- Just5

Homer might think he's ready. We won't know until he gets a few games in the NHL

There should be a healthy level of concern. Holmgren flat out said we’re going to be seeing hart this year. Why? Is that not concerning?
- Just5

I have no issues with Hart getting a few games after the trade deadline when this team is dead.

There should be a healthy level of concern. Holmgren flat out said we’re going to be seeing hart this year. Why? Is that not concerning?
- Just5

its not concerning to me if they bring him up to get some games at the NHL level.
If they bring him up and play him 25 games in a row that is a much different story.

I don’t care if they fired Hex. Don’t give a (frank). If he was this loyal to a failing product by all means.

My bigger concern here is the new direction. I think they see the falling interest and overall sales and they want immediate gratification. Nothing wrong with making smart moves, but my fear is throwing the youth movement out the window to get a couple of quick runs with G still productive.

Hopefully they prove me wrong. Somehow I doubt it.
- flyer_nutter

I don't see them just trashing what they invested 4 years in. Four years is a lot of patience in the sports world. How many executives of strong franchises get four years to turn your team into a lottery team?

They aren't stupid. Even if you look back when Clarke was trading youth for fading stars the youth rarely turned into anything of value.

I think your fear is a little unjustified. You're fearing the unknown. It's more productive to fear the present is the future.

There should be a healthy level of concern. Holmgren flat out said we’re going to be seeing hart this year. Why? Is that not concerning?
- Just5

No he didn't.

But if they are in dead last and out of the playoffs I guess you could make the case of why not for some games at the end.