Voracek and Myers for a signed Duchene and Anderson would you guys be on board for that.
- FreshFlyer

Nope.

I'm beginning to believe that the organization was fractured and that there were two factions. The Holmgren/Scott side and the Hextall side. Drafting has been really good. What's the reason for firing Pryor?
- MJL

Seems that way regarding the fracture.

Pryor in my eyes was a Hextall guy. On the same page regarding whether they felt was right. That’s the reason for the firing in my eyes.

Pryor stuck around when Holmgren left the GM role and Hextall took over.
- MJL

So do you think that was a Hextall call or organization mandating him? My assumption is the pool of potential GMs have an idea who they want their lieutenant to be if hired. I doubt the organization would choose that position for the new GM. What new GM would want that position filled for him?

Did you watch the game last night and how the PK played?
- MJL

Wow, one game out of a grand total of 82 games times 5 seasons.

Lappy shouldn't even be near a NHL bench.

The Flyers PK being terrible has nothing to do with the personnel--it's all about how it's set up to operate in the first place. They're way too passive.
- KGBflyers10

Maybe the people on the PK don't have the hockey IQ to play agressive so they are forced to go more passive.

Personnel can dictate strategy...

Voracek and Myers for a signed Duchene and Anderson would you guys be on board for that.
- FreshFlyer

If the goal is becoming more of a laughing stock organization than yes.

I'm beginning to believe that the organization was fractured and that there were two factions. The Holmgren/Scott side and the Hextall side. Drafting has been really good. What's the reason for firing Pryor?
- MJL

Probably was loyal to Hextall. This is obviosuly all speculation here but maybe he felt like he should be the new GM as much of Hextall's great work that was done can be attributed to Pyror's work at the draft. Couple those things together and he's gone.

He's the guy who traded Brent Burns out of Minnesota. Threw money at guys like Vanek and Havlat in UFA. Threw the entire bank at Suter and Parise. Gave Pominville a NMC, and ended up losing Alex Tuch and Erik Haula because of it.

Yeah, I want that guy to run the Flyers.
- Tomahawk

Yeah he royally bungled tuch and haula. That is enough for me. I’ve read Suter and parise were more of an owner mandated move though

Hextall was fired because the current team wasn't producing any results.

I think your narrative of the plan taking too long is off. The plan is fine as long as your not neglecting your current team.

Yes Dave Scott said they weren't waiting until 2-3 years down the road. I understand that. If this team was 3rd in the metro, I doubt anything comes of this.
- J35Bacher

It's not a narrative. Direct comments were made by Holmgren and Scott about it taking too long.

Seems that way regarding the fracture.

Pryor in my eyes was a Hextall guy. On the same page regarding whether they felt was right. That’s the reason for the firing in my eyes.
- flyer_nutter

He was a Holmgren guy too.

People want total change and they are getting it. People want the old guard out and maybe they are getting it.

Panarin, sure.

Bob, no. If that's the case you might as well trade Carter Hart--cause if Hart pans out, Bob's going to pull the same thing he did in 2012--request a trade. If Bob is your guy, then you're pretty much telling Hart to go (frank) himself.
- KGBflyers10

We are at least three years away from seeing Hart as a regular in Philadelphia. Getting a top shelf goalie like Bobrovsky wouldn't be a problem at all.

So you're just pissy he's still with the organization? Because of his tenure as GM?

Who was your pick for President after what's his face left for other opportunities (eventually the Panthers)?
- mayorofangrytown

I’m worried that he’s in charge of the direction this franchise takes at the moment.

Let me panic. Balls deep panic.

Maybe the people on the PK don't have the hockey IQ to play agressive so they are forced to go more passive.

Personnel can dictate strategy...
- dragonoffrost

If half the roster are idiots we have HUGE problems.

I'm beginning to believe that the organization was fractured and that there were two factions. The Holmgren/Scott side and the Hextall side. Drafting has been really good. What's the reason for firing Pryor?
- MJL

It almost has to be something close to that, because there's really no reason to drop Pryor today unless he pissed you off with something relating to Hextall

Holmgren is also the guy partly responsible for the current situation. The team Holmgren built was not sustainable and he himself had to break it up.
- MJL

welp he's got a clean slate to work with, id love to see what he could do

Maybe the people on the PK don't have the hockey IQ to play agressive so they are forced to go more passive.

Personnel can dictate strategy...
- dragonoffrost

It shouldn't take hockey IQ to "play aggressive".

Wow, one game out of a grand total of 82 games times 5 seasons.

Lappy shouldn't even be near a NHL bench.
- KGBflyers10

What that shows is that the system is in place. The PK isn't passive by design. It's passive in execution.

If I'm signing a legit goalie, I'm making sure he has, at least, a playoff series win under his belt.

bob doesn't have that.
- KGBflyers10

Neither did Bernie Parent

If the goal is becoming more of a laughing stock organization than yes.
- flyer_nutter

That isn't usually the plan, but often is the end result.

Voracek and Myers for a signed Duchene and Anderson would you guys be on board for that.
- FreshFlyer

Negative

It's not a narrative. Direct comments were made by Holmgren and Scott about it taking too long.
- MJL

But they never said the plan was wrong. There just wasn't any flexibility to it.

If this team is 3rd in the metro and the pk is 10 and PP 5 do you think any of this happens?

They are in last place in the metro. Obviously there is something wrong with the plan right now.

It shouldn't take hockey IQ to "play aggressive".
- KGBflyers10

On the PK, yes it does. It's a read and react situation. Play aggressive when the situation presents and contain when it doesn't. The Flyers last night executed both really well last night. Pretty much text book.

I’d really chuckle you know?
Core guys moved out, a GM and the head of scouting out.

Yet Lappy and Hak remain. Can’t make this up.

Don’t kid yourself, they are a huge reason why we are here today. No competent organization would absolve them for what happened and simply blame the GM.
- flyer_nutter

I'm no Hak apologist and I think he has some serious downfalls but to be quite frank he didn't have that much to work with for many of the years here. I wasn't as hard on him the previous years because the roster just wasn't great but this year it seems he hasn't been able to get more out of a better roster. Now there are the goalie issues which can make any coach look bad but it's not like he's had loaded lineups to work with. I think his ice time management and timeout usage is a little strange and cause for concern sure but this team is actually solid 5 v 5 which is the biggest indicator of a system success. Not to say he doesn't have issues, but this isnt just on him. Everyone is at fault

But fielded competitive teams that made the playoffs......= satiated sheep and $$$$ for Comcast....they went from playing Chess to Chutes and Ladders

*cue Denzel Traing Day gif*

I have more faith in Landsberg constructing a comprehendible sentence than the direction of this travesty
- KINGKENZO

The business side always wants consistent playoffs. That’s the goal here and why fletcher should be seen as the front runner. Real progressive forward thinker losing tuch and haula

I’m worried that he’s in charge of the direction this franchise takes at the moment.

Let me panic. Balls deep panic.
- flyer_nutter

I support your panic.

He was in charge and promoted Hextall though. I thought that was a good move. I question the firing although I understand that there was an intolerable product on the ice and a fear of making a move above bandaids for 4 years (apart from Schenn).