I have a big issue with all of what’s going on.

For all of Hextall’s faults. To absolve Holmgren and leave him in charge is asinine. The man should have been out of this organization long ago.

To have him in charge is asinine. My target is moved to him above anyone else at the moment.

Fletcher. My god. That’s Dave Hakstol in GM form.
- flyer_nutter

He's the guy who traded Brent Burns out of Minnesota. Threw money at guys like Vanek and Havlat in UFA. Threw the entire bank at Suter and Parise. Gave Pominville a NMC, and ended up losing Alex Tuch and Erik Haula because of it.

Yeah, I want that guy to run the Flyers.

Holmgren is dumb. He never should have been “promoted”. For all of Hextall’s faults, Holmgren had just as many after he realized he had a salary cap to worry about. He was purely a “win now” GM with no thought for the future. Opposite end of the spectrum compared to Hextall.

He should also be out on his ass. Not sure why he gets a pass here.
- flyer_nutter

Its likely results based with Holmgren. He turned this team around from last in the league to making the ECF in one season and brought us to the cup finals. He put this team in cap hell and killed the prospect system doing so but the first half of his tenure is why he is so highly regarded in the Flyers organization, at least in my opinion lol. If Hextall had similar results he would still be the GM right now.

Yep. Dineen and Ulf Samuelsson got the gate, too
- AllInForFlyers

I didn't pay attention really but wow, that seems asinine.

Panarin, sure.

Bob, no. If that's the case you might as well trade Carter Hart--cause if Hart pans out, Bob's going to pull the same thing he did in 2012--request a trade. If Bob is your guy, then you're pretty much telling Hart to go (frank) himself.
- KGBflyers10

So you deal with it then. I'd you have to sign a legit goalie you do it. Hart isn't even setting the AHL on fire right now. If he pans out great. But that's a long, long way from being a sure thing at this point.

I'd say Hart and Frost for sure maybe Farabee too. Anyone else is likely fair game at this point. With Morin supposedly having a timeline to return in February or so I could see a package of Voracek and Myers put together to bring something back of significant value. Probably a true second line center.
- FreshFlyer

It better be closer to a 1st line center for that package.

He's the guy who traded Brent Burns out of Minnesota. Threw money at guys like Vanek and Havlat in UFA. Threw the entire bank at Suter and Parise. Gave Pominville a NMC, and ended up losing Alex Tuch and Erik Haula because of it.

Yeah, I want that guy to run the Flyers.
- Tomahawk

He’s a terrible choice. No two ways about it

I didn't pay attention really but wow, that seems asinine.
- mayorofangrytown

Samuelsson especially was ice cold. He had no clue that Quenneville was on that short a leash

And yet one got to a cup final with Micheal Leighton in net and one not even close.
- J35Bacher

Shame about Ray Emery s hip, two stud 1 dmen with youth and vets at forward.

So you deal with it then. I'd you have to sign a legit goalie you do it. Hart isn't even setting the AHL on fire right now. If he pans out great. But that's a long, long way from being a sure thing at this point.
- hereticpride

If I'm signing a legit goalie, I'm making sure he has, at least, a playoff series win under his belt.

bob doesn't have that.

So you're giving Holmgren credit for the current cap space, expiring contracts and deep prospect pool.

Seems a departure but I guess I have to agree.
- shekkie

Hextall was fired because they felt like his plan was taking too long. Hextall having to clean up some things such as getting the cap in better shape and building up the prospect base, which had next to nothing in it when Holmgren was the GM is a big part of why the time line took so long.

They were a shootout loss away from not even making the playoffs in 2010.
- KGBflyers10

Didn't last years Flyers need the last game to get in too?

Say this missed last year. that would have been 3 out of 4 years without playoffs

I have a big issue with all of what’s going on.

For all of Hextall’s faults. To absolve Holmgren and leave him in charge is asinine. The man should have been out of this organization long ago.

To have him in charge is asinine. My target is moved to him above anyone else at the moment.
- flyer_nutter

What would you like him to have done as the Club President?

You wanted him to be hands on day to day with the GM he hired? He wasn't.

Did you want him to sit back while the team regressed and the GM seemed handcuffed by inaction? He didn't.

I'm not sure what you expected him to do in the last 4 and a half years that he either didn't or did do. He's been pretty quiet while he let the people he hired do their job. If you're angry he hired Hextall in the first place then I guess you have a point.

No one in this organization is blameless.

Absolutely -- I didn't say I had an issue with it, because honestly, I don't. They're all getting the hook, eventually

It's just really odd for today. I mean, you dropped Hextall on Monday. Were Pryor and Murphy on the way out then, too?

If not, what happened yesterday to today? You just decided Hextall's guys have to go? But Pryor has been here forever. How does that work?

If Murphy is a problem, why was he? Was it on-ice? If it's on-ice and Laperriere isn't gone, then are you saying you literally think he doesn't have the players to kill penalties because Hextall didn't give him the right guys?

It's just really odd, to me
- AllInForFlyers

Odd way to look at it but...

Lappy didn't get any real changes to help his PK this season and probably wasn't allowed to ride G and Coots much on the PK. So his hands were tied.

Once they made decision to fill the GM spot outside the organization, Pryor was done. I m sure the GM candidates will present who they want their staff to be as opposed to the organization defining it for them. The only way Pryor had a chance to stick was being promoted.
- ravishingone

Pryor stuck around when Holmgren left the GM role and Hextall took over.

He's the guy who traded Brent Burns out of Minnesota. Threw money at guys like Vanek and Havlat in UFA. Threw the entire bank at Suter and Parise. Gave Pominville a NMC, and ended up losing Alex Tuch and Erik Haula because of it.

Yeah, I want that guy to run the Flyers.
- Tomahawk

But fielded competitive teams that made the playoffs......= satiated sheep and $$$$ for Comcast....they went from playing Chess to Chutes and Ladders

*cue Denzel Traing Day gif*

I have more faith in Landsberg constructing a comprehendible sentence than the direction of this travesty

What would you like him to have done as the Club President?

You wanted him to be hands on day to day with the GM he hired? He wasn't.

Did you want him to sit back while the team regressed and the GM seemed handcuffed by inaction? He didn't.

I'm not sure what you expected him to do in the last 4 and a half years that he either didn't or did do. He's been pretty quiet while he let the people he hired do their job. If you're angry he hired Hextall in the first place then I guess you have a point.

No one in this organization is blameless.
- mayorofangrytown

I wanted him enjoying retirement instead of being promoted in any capacity. If they are going scorched earth, Homer should be out too.

Hextall was fired because they felt like his plan was taking too long. Hextall having to clean up some things such as getting the cap in better shape and building up the prospect base, which had next to nothing in it when Holmgren was the GM is a big part of why the time line took so long.
- MJL

Hextall was fired because the current team wasn't producing any results.

I think your narrative of the plan taking too long is off. The plan is fine as long as your not neglecting your current team.

Yes Dave Scott said they weren't waiting until 2-3 years down the road. I understand that. If this team was 3rd in the metro, I doubt anything comes of this.

Dooms day scenario.

Organization believes Hakstol and Lappy aren’t really the issue. A lack of moves to bring in talent left those guys exposed.

A new GM comes in with a mandate to make some immediate trades to bring quicker results.

The on ice play does improve, and you see those two stay on.

This is somewhat possible in my eyes.

World ends.
- flyer_nutter

Yeah god forbid it turns out the two are actually good coaches and the problem was with personnel.

Voracek and Myers for a signed Duchene and Anderson would you guys be on board for that.

Lappy didn't get any real changes to help his PK this season and probably wasn't allowed to ride G and Coots much on the PK. So his hands were tied.
- dragonoffrost

The Flyers PK being terrible has nothing to do with the personnel--it's all about how it's set up to operate in the first place. They're way too passive.

I'm beginning to believe that the organization was fractured and that there were two factions. The Holmgren/Scott side and the Hextall side. Drafting has been really good. What's the reason for firing Pryor?

Yeah god forbid it turns out the two are actually good coaches and the problem was with personnel.
- bulet13

I’d really chuckle you know?
Core guys moved out, a GM and the head of scouting out.

Yet Lappy and Hak remain. Can’t make this up.

Don’t kid yourself, they are a huge reason why we are here today. No competent organization would absolve them for what happened and simply blame the GM.

The Flyers PK being terrible has nothing to do with the personnel--it's all about how it's set up to operate in the first place. They're way too passive.
- KGBflyers10

Did you watch the game last night and how the PK played?

I wanted him enjoying retirement instead of being promoted in any capacity.
- flyer_nutter

So you're just pissy he's still with the organization? Because of his tenure as GM?

Who was your pick for President after what's his face left for other opportunities (eventually the Panthers)?