It's just odd. The two today are just odd
- AllInForFlyers

Why is Murphy odd?

he was hired by Hextall and this year they have regressed.

Eventually there will be a new coachng staff I believe but for now i'll take Murphy being gone.

It's just odd. The two today are just odd
- AllInForFlyers

I really don't have an issue with either. With them making it a mandate that the GM was going to be coming in from outside the organization with no ties to the Flyers, I really didn't see Pryor staying anyways.

Why is Murphy odd?

he was hired by Hextall and this year they have regressed.

Eventually there will be a new coachng staff I believe but for now i'll take Murphy being gone.
- J35Bacher

Obviously there were disagreements between coaches as well, especially when it came to defensemen. Curious to see how pairings are done next game.

Fletcher was a solid GM always had competitive teams in Minny. I feel like he would be a fine choice due to his past experiences and the fact that he's probably learned from previous mistakes he's made as a GM. I wouldn't be against him coming in. If I had a choice I'd want Hunter to be the guy though.
- FreshFlyer

Competitive is giving him a lot of credit imo.

Guess who everyone wanted to play come playoff time? You want to be a team that makes the playoffs but is never set up to actually beat the powerhouses? That’s Minny. That franchise was as stale as can be.

What I see happening with all these changes is Holmgren and the rest of management being frustrated that after almost half a decade of Hextall's tenure they are still in mediocrity. I feel like whoever gets appointed as GM is being told it's a win now scenario and too try and take advantage of the last couple seasons where Giroux is still one of the best players in the league. That doesn't mean selling the whole prospect system but I do believe it means that if there's a trade out there to be made not being hesitant about it because it requires trading a decent prospect.

Have to believe that the new GM is going to want to have his own guy in there.
- MJL

Yes very strange they'd take the lame duck coach's word on firing Murphy. Could argue he did a pretty good job developing the kids and getting better value out of Folin and MacDonald than was to be expected. Maybe say the same for Gudas as well.

You can't fire the coaching staff all at once mid season. It just doesn't work like that. I don't expect Lappy to to be back next year and probably not Hak either. But you can't just clean house in one move.

I have no issue with Murphy gone.
- dragonoffrost

Absolutely -- I didn't say I had an issue with it, because honestly, I don't. They're all getting the hook, eventually

It's just really odd for today. I mean, you dropped Hextall on Monday. Were Pryor and Murphy on the way out then, too?

If not, what happened yesterday to today? You just decided Hextall's guys have to go? But Pryor has been here forever. How does that work?

If Murphy is a problem, why was he? Was it on-ice? If it's on-ice and Laperriere isn't gone, then are you saying you literally think he doesn't have the players to kill penalties because Hextall didn't give him the right guys?

It's just really odd, to me

Obviously there were disagreements between coaches as well, especially when it came to defensemen. Curious to see how pairings are done next game.
- Glak18

I m not the biggest Hak fan, but if the organization gave him some latitude to mold his staff that apparently Hexy wasn t willing to do, I have no issue with Murphy gone. Hak is smart enough to know he is on thin ice, not like the young dmen have been progressing this season.

Competitive is giving him a lot of credit imo.

Guess who everyone wanted to play come playoff time? You want to be a team that makes the playoffs but is never set up to actually beat the powerhouses? That’s Minny. That franchise was as stale as can be.
- flyer_nutter

Yeah you aren't wrong but according to many those Suter and Parise contracts were forced on him by ownership. And after that he didn't really have much cap space to work with to make major improvements. I still think he would be a decent choice, lots of experience with him which is never a bad thing.

You can't fire the coaching staff all at once mid season. It just doesn't work like that. I don't expect Lappy to to be back next year and probably not Hak either. But you can't just clean house in one move.
- hereticpride

Not in the middle of the season.

For right or wrong, this is basically like letting Lava go a couple games into the year.

Yeah you aren't wrong but according to many those Suter and Parise contracts were forced on him by ownership. And after that he didn't really have much cap space to work with to make major improvements. I still think he would be a decent choice, lots of experience with him which is never a bad thing.
- FreshFlyer

Ownership forcing a guy to try to win now. Where have we heard this recently.

You can't fire the coaching staff all at once mid season. It just doesn't work like that. I don't expect Lappy to to be back next year and probably not Hak either. But you can't just clean house in one move.
- hereticpride

Sure you can -- that's what the Blackhawks did with Quenneville's crew. I'd have to look, but i think Edmonton nuked all of McClellan's guys, too

Competitive is giving him a lot of credit imo.

Guess who everyone wanted to play come playoff time? You want to be a team that makes the playoffs but is never set up to actually beat the powerhouses? That’s Minny. That franchise was as stale as can be.
- flyer_nutter

Bring him on then, he'll fit right in.

Was this team in a worse position in terms of the standings last season than they are now? If so they still made the playoffs so I guess it's still possible for this season. It all starts in goal though for me if they don't get solid goaltending the rest of the season I doubt they can climb out of the current position they're in. Should be interesting to see what happens.

Sure you can -- that's what the Blackhawks did with Quenneville's crew. I'd have to look, but i think Edmonton nuked all of McClellan's guys, too
- AllInForFlyers

Are you sure about Quenville. They replaced both Assistant coaches in the off season with their own guys. Did they fire them again after just hiring them?

I m not the biggest Hak fan, but if the organization gave him some latitude to mold his staff that apparently Hexy wasn t willing to do, I have no issue with Murphy gone. Hak is smart enough to know he is on thin ice, not like the young dmen have been progressing this season.
- ravishingone

And maybe this was also a way to rearrange some things. I know Knobluach was an up and coming coach from juniors. But maybe you bring Gordon up and let Knoblauch run Lehigh to gain experience there.

Holmgren isn't dumb. He brought Hextall here. If there is value in keeping Knoblauch around in the organization this could be a way

Ownership forcing a guy to try to win now. Where have we heard this recently.
- flyer_nutter

Very true but if ownership wants the new GM to make a big splash in free agency I think signing a Panarin/Bob combo for example would greatly improve this team.

Are you sure about Quenville. They replaced both Assistant coaches in the off season with their own guys. Did they fire them again after just hiring them?
- mayorofangrytown

Yep. Dineen and Ulf Samuelsson got the gate, too

And maybe this was also a way to rearrange some things. I know Knobluach was an up and coming coach from juniors. But maybe you bring Gordon up and let Knoblauch run Lehigh to gain experience there.

Holmgren isn't dumb. He brought Hextall here. If there is value in keeping Knoblauch around in the organization this could be a way
- J35Bacher

Holmgren is dumb. He never should have been “promoted”. For all of Hextall’s faults, Holmgren had just as many after he realized he had a salary cap to worry about. He was purely a “win now” GM with no thought for the future. Opposite end of the spectrum compared to Hextall.

He should also be out on his ass. Not sure why he gets a pass here.

Holmgren is dumb. He never should have been “promoted”. For all of Hextall’s faults, Holmgren had just as many after he realized he had a salary cap to worry about. He was purely a “win now” GM with no thought for the future. Opposite end of the spectrum compared to Hextall.

He should also be out on his ass. Not sure why he gets a pass here.
- flyer_nutter

And yet one got to a cup final with Micheal Leighton in net and one not even close.

Very true but if ownership wants the new GM to make a big splash in free agency I think signing a Panarin/Bob combo for example would greatly improve this team.
- FreshFlyer

Panarin, sure.

Bob, no. If that's the case you might as well trade Carter Hart--cause if Hart pans out, Bob's going to pull the same thing he did in 2012--request a trade. If Bob is your guy, then you're pretty much telling Hart to go (frank) himself.

And yet one got to a cup final with Micheal Leighton in net and one not even close.
- J35Bacher

They were a shootout loss away from not even making the playoffs in 2010.

You could see how fragile they were from basically puck drop of this season.

They are going to buckle every time. This collapse didn’t magically start this year. This is a team that has been together for a while.

They let the cancer get to stage 4 before making a change.
- flyer_nutter

True. It's a total tire fire right now. I thought they'd be a fringe playoff team this year with a chance to win a series. It's a pipe dream. Last in conference is pathetic.

And maybe this was also a way to rearrange some things. I know Knobluach was an up and coming coach from juniors. But maybe you bring Gordon up and let Knoblauch run Lehigh to gain experience there.

Holmgren isn't dumb. He brought Hextall here. If there is value in keeping Knoblauch around in the organization this could be a way
- J35Bacher

Could be. It s tough watching G s career being wasted and right now they aren t close to competing. I doubt it will be win at all cost, but a change ib philosophy was needed.