I feel bad for Giroux the guy has carried this team for years and if you think about it was really only apart of one competitive Stanley Cup contender in his rookie season. It's gotta suck to know you wasted most of your career on a team that's been going nowhere for the better part of a decade. Whoever the new GM is (hopefully Fletcher) we see him start to build an actual team that can win and play cohesive hockey around Giroux. Tired of watching the Flyers play 40 mins a game or 20.

tradewise, are there untouchables in the prospect pool?


hart, Frost, Allison, Ratcliffe?

why fire Murphy now then?
- 2Real

They are getting rid of a lot of Hextall's hires/signings.

Murphy, Pryor. Pickard was waived, Gouldbourne was sent back down.
Maybe this is why JVR didn't show up for practice today.

I have no idea but if youre the coach and are in year 4 of a 5 year contract and don't have a long NHL resume built up. You want the team to add better players to start winning. Only chance to keep your job.

The one thing I don’t really believe is they want a GM to come in and do their own thing.

They want a guy who better be damn open to the demands of those above him. Hextall wasn’t that man.

I’m not defending Hextall, but just a vibe.
- flyer_nutter

There aren't many bosses in the world who hire people who they know aren't going to listen to them

Some are more open to autonomy than others, but there isn't a boss on this planet who is trying to hear a direct report blow them off

why fire Murphy now then?
- 2Real

It may be weeks before a new GM is hired and another few weeks or even months of his evaluation. I think that Hakstol won't be replaced immediately. He might even make the entire season, although that scenario gets less and less likely. This firing feels like Holmgren giving Hakstol a chance to do something without being micro managed. To give him a fair shake for the new GM.

Depends on the choice for new GM. Seems they really want someone who carries out the bidding of those above him, and Hextall wasn’t that man.
- flyer_nutter

So a company Yes Man??? Plenty of them here.

If Pryor was the main driving force behind the scouting of prospects before and during Hextal's tenure, then his firing makes no sense, regardless of his loyalty. He had no personnel power re who was on the ice, or even final say as to who was drafted, right???

That move I just don't understand. If anything I figured they'd keep him due to the drafting success they've had.

What am I missing???

I feel bad for Giroux the guy has carried this team for years and if you think about it was really only apart of one competitive Stanley Cup contender in his rookie season. It's gotta suck to know you wasted most of your career on a team that's been going nowhere for the better part of a decade. Whoever the new GM is (hopefully Fletcher) we see him start to build an actual team that can win and play cohesive hockey around Giroux. Tired of watching the Flyers play 40 mins a game or 20.
- FreshFlyer

Fletcher is a piss poor choice. You want continued mediocrity? That’s your man in every single way. Look at Minny during his time and when he left them.

Fletcher and Francis should be the last men on the list.

holmgren is responsible for turning a last place team into within 2 wins of a stanley cup championship in what 2 years? the guy knows what he is doing and knows what type of players it takes to win.

obviously he does not feel hak is the problem and felt that management was not providing the proper personal and player support he needed to progress.

i love what he is doing, i feel sniders spirit lives on in homer, gotta trust the process!

its time to part ways with giroux, voracek, simmonds and jvr in order to complete the rebuild.

time to pass the torch to coots and if anyone actually watched last years playoff series coots was and is the guy homer thought he was when he drafted him, our next leader.

They are getting rid of a lot of Hextall's hires/signings.

Murphy, Pryor. Pickard was waived, Gouldbourne was sent back down.
Maybe this is why JVR didn't show up for practice today.
- PLindbergh31

I understand that but if they're just going to clean house with the new GM why fire murphy and wait on Hak and Lappy

If Pryor was the main driving force behind the scouting of prospects before and during Hextal's tenure, then his firing makes no sense, regardless of his loyalty. He had no personnel power re who was on the ice, or even final say as to who was drafted, right???

That move I just don't understand. If anything I figured they'd keep him due to the drafting success they've had.

What am I missing???
- WhirlingDervish

I’m right there with you... I don’t get this one bit. Perhaps it was a bit of office politics we aren’t privy to.

I understand that but if they're just going to clean house with the new GM why fire murphy and wait on Hak and Lappy
- 2Real

Because they can't get rid of everyone at once with no one to replace them. Someone has to be behind the bench.

holmgren is responsible for turning a last place team into within 2 wins of a stanley cup championship in what 2 years? the guy knows what he is doing and knows what type of players it takes to win.

obviously he does not feel hak is the problem and felt that management was not providing the proper personal and player support he needed to progress.

i love what he is doing, i feel sniders spirit lives on in homer, gotta trust the process!

its time to part ways with giroux, voracek, simmonds and jvr in order to complete the rebuild.

time to pass the torch to coots and if anyone actually watched last years playoff series coots was and is the guy homer thought he was when he drafted him, our next leader.
- mydoglicks

He obviously feels Hak isn’t the problem. That’s clear as day. They are going to leave the decision eventually to the new GM but they don’t feel Hak was really an issue. Along with Lappy.

Let that sink in.

holmgren is responsible for turning a last place team into within 2 wins of a stanley cup championship in what 2 years? the guy knows what he is doing and knows what type of players it takes to win.

obviously he does not feel hak is the problem and felt that management was not providing the proper personal and player support he needed to progress.

i love what he is doing, i feel sniders spirit lives on in homer, gotta trust the process!

its time to part ways with giroux, voracek, simmonds and jvr in order to complete the rebuild.

time to pass the torch to coots and if anyone actually watched last years playoff series coots was and is the guy homer thought he was when he drafted him, our next leader.
- mydoglicks

Lol trade all of G, Voracek, Simmonds and JVR and this 5 year rebuild turns into 10 years

And I don't think Hak survives this (I'm trying out some gallows humor) when a new GM is put in place, but yeah....it really looks like Hakstol went around his boss and has been doing so for awhile.
- johndewar

I really don’t know this for sure, but when Holmgren was talking about having talks with “Dave,” I thought he was talking about Dave Scott. Even when he repeated himself. The only time I thought he was talking about a conversation with Dave Hakstol was in reference to 2 days ago, on Monday. And probably since then.

holmgren is responsible for turning a last place team into within 2 wins of a stanley cup championship in what 2 years? the guy knows what he is doing and knows what type of players it takes to win.

obviously he does not feel hak is the problem and felt that management was not providing the proper personal and player support he needed to progress.

i love what he is doing, i feel sniders spirit lives on in homer, gotta trust the process!

its time to part ways with giroux, voracek, simmonds and jvr in order to complete the rebuild.

time to pass the torch to coots and if anyone actually watched last years playoff series coots was and is the guy homer thought he was when he drafted him, our next leader.
- mydoglicks

Holmgren is also the guy partly responsible for the current situation. The team Holmgren built was not sustainable and he himself had to break it up.

Found someone with a death wish to plug two cords together at the same time a lighting bolt struck the clock tower.
- hockeylover

I'd help you out, but my band is playing at the Enchantment Under the Sea dance at the local high school.

Sorry

WTF is wrong with these guys?

They're in last effing place IN THE EASTERN CONFERENCE!

WTF did they think was gonna happen -- everybody gets contract extensions?

DUDES GET FIRED AND TRADED WHEN YOU'RE IN LAST DAMN PLACE
- AllInForFlyers

well just throwing this out there but they've gone how many years with no changes? perhaps they really have gotten comfortable.

It may be weeks before a new GM is hired and another few weeks or even months of his evaluation. I think that Hakstol won't be replaced immediately. He might even make the entire season, although that scenario gets less and less likely. This firing feels like Holmgren giving Hakstol a chance to do something without being micro managed. To give him a fair shake for the new GM.
- FlyersGrace

I agree. I think it's close to what Scott said yesterday: They want the timeline sped up, but that doesn't necessarily mean a massacre is going to happen tomorrow

Think they want a GM in place who won't make a move at the TDL because that is their first choice. They said they want a GM biased toward action as the TDL approaches, but they might just want that person to retrofit this thing on the fly for next season

If they turn it around this season, great. They just didn't want to wait until 2021

I feel bad for Giroux the guy has carried this team for years and if you think about it was really only apart of one competitive Stanley Cup contender in his rookie season. It's gotta suck to know you wasted most of your career on a team that's been going nowhere for the better part of a decade. Whoever the new GM is (hopefully Fletcher) we see him start to build an actual team that can win and play cohesive hockey around Giroux. Tired of watching the Flyers play 40 mins a game or 20.
- FreshFlyer

So he wasn't with them?

tradewise, are there untouchables in the prospect pool?


hart, Frost, Allison, Ratcliffe?
- wcorvette

I'd say Hart and Frost for sure maybe Farabee too. Anyone else is likely fair game at this point. With Morin supposedly having a timeline to return in February or so I could see a package of Voracek and Myers put together to bring something back of significant value. Probably a true second line center.

Because they can't get rid of everyone at once with no one to replace them. Someone has to be behind the bench.
- PLindbergh31

I wasn't say to fire them all at once I was saying why fire any one right now. Why not let the new GM do it once he's put his team together.

Lol trade all of G, Voracek, Simmonds and JVR and this 5 year rebuild turns into 10 years
- ajw12

From what we’ve heard, I think that’s the last thing they do.

You might see a core piece moved, but I don’t think they are down with any kind of slow rebuild. Holmgren wants this to be a retool, partly how he did it when he took over.

It mirrors that a bit with the available cap space and pieces available to make trades.

At this point, and this is just me - I’m down for a tank. What the hell do you have to lose.

Yeah I think they're safe
- bulet13

just mean he said he wants all the core gone except G