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bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Nov 26 @ 5:41 PM ET
I'm all aboard the Mark Hunter train. Get it done Homer (God that feels weird saying again)

I'll be livid if it's Lombardi or Fletcher. Fletcher couldn't do Jack poop in Minny. And look at how lombardi left the Kings...
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 26 @ 5:43 PM ET
Brian Burke incoming
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 26 @ 5:44 PM ET
Next steps, following the announcement of a new GM should be

1. Bring in a new head coach and at least one new assistant

2. Trade Simmonds for a prospect and a pick

3. Trade Jake for a 3C and a pick

4. Trade a pick and/or a prospect for a legit NHL goalie

And, at the draft, swing a deal for a quality veteran top 4 Dman.

- BiggE


Can see each of these happening, absolutely
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 5:44 PM ET
Next steps, following the announcement of a new GM should be

1. Bring in a new head coach and at least one new assistant

2. Trade Simmonds for a prospect and a pick

3. Trade Jake for a 3C and a pick

4. Trade a pick and/or a prospect for a legit NHL goalie

And, at the draft, swing a deal for a quality veteran top 4 Dman.

- BiggE


If only it was that easy, we'd all be GM's.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 26 @ 5:45 PM ET
Brian Burke incoming
- hereticpride


YIKES

Now that would horrify me
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Nov 26 @ 5:46 PM ET
He's got more NHL front office experience than anyone in the organization. Who else would you rather be in charge of it? Comcast?
- hereticpride


youre kidding yourself if you think this is a unilateral maneuver on Homer's part. He's the messenger. COMCAST has taken control of the team
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 26 @ 5:46 PM ET
Next steps, following the announcement of a new GM should be

1. Bring in a new head coach and at least one new assistant

2. Trade Simmonds for a prospect and a pick

3. Trade Jake for a 3C and a pick

4. Trade a pick and/or a prospect for a legit NHL goalie

And, at the draft, swing a deal for a quality veteran top 4 Dman.

- BiggE

Would rather trade Jake for a 2C and let Patrick continue to develop at 3C. He's still only 20. It's asking a lot of him to be the 2C right now imo.

Onboard with everything else though.
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Nov 26 @ 5:47 PM ET
Next steps, following the announcement of a new GM should be

1. Bring in a new head coach and at least one new assistant

2. Trade Simmonds for a prospect and a pick

3. Trade Jake for a 3C and a pick

4. Trade a pick and/or a prospect for a legit NHL goalie

And, at the draft, swing a deal for a quality veteran top 4 Dman.

- BiggE

Who's taking Voracek's contract?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 26 @ 5:48 PM ET
Brian Burke incoming
- hereticpride


truculence!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 5:49 PM ET
youre kidding yourself if you think this is a unilateral maneuver on Homer's part. He's the messenger. COMCAST has taken control of the team
- KINGKENZO


I don't think it's unilateral but I think Holmgren initiated and drove this move.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Nov 26 @ 5:50 PM ET
Trade Jake for that Jeff Carter Guy. 2nd line center problem solved.
mkabbeko
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2013

Nov 26 @ 5:50 PM ET
Who's taking Voracek's contract?
- Sinisalo4vr


Um, Jake had 85 points last year, only 12 players put up more. Plenty of suitors I’m sure. I don’t get the Voracek hate.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 26 @ 5:51 PM ET
Would rather trade Jake for a 2C and let Patrick continue to develop at 3C. He's still only 20. It's asking a lot of him to be the 2C right now imo.

Onboard with everything else though.

- hereticpride

That works for me.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Nov 26 @ 5:51 PM ET
I don't think it's unilateral but I think Holmgren initiated and drove this move.
- MJL

i think PH drove where he was told
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 26 @ 5:51 PM ET
youre kidding yourself if you think this is a unilateral maneuver on Homer's part. He's the messenger. COMCAST has taken control of the team
- KINGKENZO

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 26 @ 5:52 PM ET
How does it work as far as looking at assistant GMs around the league. Do teams have to let them out of their contracts for a promotion mid season or are they obligated to stay? Bill Zito seems like an interesting candidate as he is well connected to USA hockey
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 26 @ 5:52 PM ET
Um, Jake had 85 points last year. Plenty of suitors I’m sure. I don’t get the Voracek hate.
- mkabbeko

I don’t hate Jake, but he takes too many games and shifts off for my liking. If you can flip him for a legit 2C, I’d make the deal. This team’s core group needs to be shaken up.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 5:54 PM ET
i think PH drove where he was told
- KINGKENZO


I think there was most likely pressure from above as far as the business side of things but I don't believe that the Comcast people told him to fire Hextall.
shekkie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Perkasie, PA
Joined: 07.05.2007

Nov 26 @ 5:54 PM ET
Me: Man I really hope the next GM is level handed and finds a nice place between Hexy's patience and my desire to see winning hockey.

All my non-Flyer Friends: HAR HAR GRITTY IS THE NEW GM!

Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Nov 26 @ 5:55 PM ET
If only it was that easy, we'd all be GM's.
- MJL


I don't think the first 3 are too unreasonable. I mean #1 is a given because they have to. 2 and 3 aren't too unfathomable to me.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 26 @ 5:56 PM ET
Um, Jake had 85 points last year, only 12 players put up more. Plenty of suitors I’m sure. I don’t get the Voracek hate.
- mkabbeko



That hate is he isn't a 200 foot player and as fancy stats show us that is a bad thing.
mkabbeko
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2013

Nov 26 @ 5:57 PM ET
I don’t hate Jake, but he takes too many games and shifts off for my liking. If you can flip him for a legit 2C, I’d make the deal. This team’s core group needs to be shaken up.
- BiggE


I can see the “shake up the core” thing and then yeah, it’s Jake. But which 2C? I think it’s Patty. He has some inconsistencies to work through but the tools are there. The caliber player you need to get for Jake will bury Patrick. If I’m looking at a blockbuster, I want a true sniper. When was the last time we had one of those?
mkabbeko
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2013

Nov 26 @ 5:58 PM ET
That hate is he isn't a 200 foot player and as fancy stats show us that is a bad thing.
- opeth_pa


Yeah, but not every player is and players who produce at his level are more of a rarity. And more valuable in my opinion.
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 26 @ 5:58 PM ET
Next steps, following the announcement of a new GM should be

1. Bring in a new head coach and at least one new assistant

2. Trade Simmonds for a prospect and a pick

3. Trade Jake for a 3C and a pick

4. Trade a pick and/or a prospect for a legit NHL goalie

And, at the draft, swing a deal for a quality veteran top 4 Dman.
- BiggE

Would rather trade Jake for a 2C and let Patrick continue to develop at 3C. He's still only 20. It's asking a lot of him to be the 2C right now imo.

Onboard with everything else though.

Both good posts!!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 5:58 PM ET
I don't think the first 3 are too unreasonable. I mean #1 is a given because they have to. 2 and 3 aren't too unfathomable to me.
- Pelle31Forever


I don't think it's that difficult to identify the weakness of the team and propose generalities of what the team should do. It's a whole other thing to actually do it. For example, acquiring a legitimate top 4 defenseman is not easy and is costly.
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