I’m terrified. Don’t really know what type of GM they are going to bring in or what their willing to do to become “competitive”. I understand both sides of the coin today though
- Just5

Agreed.

I’m just hoping in this case the corporate vision of “fill the seats” and “just make us money” doesn’t set the franchise into a just be a playoff team, without a legit cup chance!

Who’s your next GM?
- Just5

Gritty, Rob Blake, Laurence Gilman, Mike Futa

Who’s your next GM?
- Just5

Hunter, Fletcher or Francis. Someone who doesn't have ties to this organization would be ideal. That way at least you can get a completely unbiased evaluation of all that is happening underneath him.

Hunter, Fletcher or Francis. Someone who doesn't have ties to this organization would be ideal. That way at least you can get a completely unbiased evaluation of all that is happening underneath him.
- FreshFlyer

i'm not interested in any of those

francis is just another hexy
why the (frank) would we want people like hunter or fletcher?
I'd take Gillis over them

i'm not interested in any of those

francis is just another hexy
why the (frank) would we want people like hunter or fletcher?
I'd take Gillis over them
- 2Real

Mark Hunter pls

I think the fact that Mason has played 13 NHL games since leaving the Flyers and is out of the league at 30 shows that the right decision was made with him. Hextall was in a jam, not all of it was his doing. Neuvirth had played 32 and 28 games as a Flyer. Combined with the Elliott signing, it should've been enough.
- MJL

That's an easy argument to make in hindsight - as well as the one against resigning Neuvirth.

I’m terrified. Don’t really know what type of GM they are going to bring in or what their willing to do to become “competitive”. I understand both sides of the coin today though
- Just5

Im a bit scared too, I fear this is the same old Flyers coming back and I'm deflated. The organization doesn't seem to know what it wants. Hextall is hired to draft and develop and it is not good enough in the eyes of those above him who brought him in, so we could, seemingly, go back to what he had before Hextall. Granted Hextall didn;t set the world on fire and get us anywhere in terms of on ice success but patience takes patience. I , myself don't believe this roster is good enough to win a cup and would strip it down but that isn't whats going to happen, I don't believe. And Hextall probably would not have done that either but Im scared we will go back to trying to win every year regardless of what is realistic. We can debate on what is right and wrong regarding the roster but I don't think realistically this team as constructed can win a cup. And that is what I care about. I just want to win a cup. We haven't been past the 1st round since 2012, I think. Why should we think we can compete with the Toronto's, Tampa's, Pittsburgh's, Boston's, Washington's, and even Buffalo's? I'm tired of mediocrity and being just good enough. Piss or get off the pot......
Just frustrated is all....Slainte

Scott mellanby sounds about right

Mark Hunter pls
- bulet13

I’d be on board with this as well👍

Im a bit scared too, I fear this is the same old Flyers coming back and I'm deflated. The organization doesn't seem to know what it wants. Hextall is hired to draft and develop and it is not good enough in the eyes of those above him who brought him in, so we could, seemingly, go back to what he had before Hextall. Granted Hextall didn;t set the world on fire and get us anywhere in terms of on ice success but patience takes patience. I , myself don't believe this roster is good enough to win a cup and would strip it down but that isn't whats going to happen, I don't believe. And Hextall probably would not have done that either but Im scared we will go back to trying to win every year regardless of what is realistic. We can debate on what is right and wrong regarding the roster but I don't think realistically this team as constructed can win a cup. And that is what I care about. I just want to win a cup. We haven't been past the 1st round since 2012, I think. Why should we think we can compete with the Toronto's, Tampa's, Pittsburgh's, Boston's, Washington's, and even Buffalo's? I'm tired of mediocrity and being just good enough. Piss or get off the pot......
Just frustrated is all....Slainte
- Cootehill

Pretty much my thoughts. I have no idea what to expect

Im a bit scared too, I fear this is the same old Flyers coming back and I'm deflated. The organization doesn't seem to know what it wants. Hextall is hired to draft and develop and it is not good enough in the eyes of those above him who brought him in, so we could, seemingly, go back to what he had before Hextall. Granted Hextall didn;t set the world on fire and get us anywhere in terms of on ice success but patience takes patience. I , myself don't believe this roster is good enough to win a cup and would strip it down but that isn't whats going to happen, I don't believe. And Hextall probably would not have done that either but Im scared we will go back to trying to win every year regardless of what is realistic. We can debate on what is right and wrong regarding the roster but I don't think realistically this team as constructed can win a cup. And that is what I care about. I just want to win a cup. We haven't been past the 1st round since 2012, I think. Why should we think we can compete with the Toronto's, Tampa's, Pittsburgh's, Boston's, Washington's, and even Buffalo's? I'm tired of mediocrity and being just good enough. Piss or get off the pot......
Just frustrated is all....Slainte
- Cootehill

hak and hexy have had more than enough time to improve this year
they have the same issues year in and out and are actually worse this year when they should have taken a huge step forward
we can be patient but not patient forever with teams that are non competitive on the ice

I only blame Hexy for not firing the whole coaching staff. Yes goaltending but really was it his fault they both were injured? The coaching staff should have gone first and then a trade and then Hextall. He must have refused to do this, that is the only way I can sleep at night.

Good write-up by Jay Greenberg

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...red-Ron-Hextall/251/96207

Good write-up by Jay Greenberg

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...red-Ron-Hextall/251/96207
- BenderRodriguez

Yea. Some interesting tidbits in there.

Greenberg with a pretty cool article, with an apologist angle toward certain points. I think that statement about the red herring was off, thats an issue thats cost the team games and to write it off is very meh.

He supports those who say this was really about philosophy and less about Hak.

Reading it, and I will say this - if its ALL true, then Holmgren and company should have also been let go. It stinks of "old style Flyers".

We shall see. Interesting times.

^^ Bastards

Greenberg with a pretty cool article.

Supports those who say this was really about philosophy and less about Hak.
- flyer_nutter

I still tend to side with Hexy. I don’t want old alumni farts hanging in the locker room all the time either. It grinded my gears to have to give up picks for mrazek last year too.

The big thing I can’t defend Hexy on is his work in ufa. Just Bc your dabbling in ufa doesn’t mean you need to overpay in term. This team has a ton of unused cap space that does absolutely nothing for them

I still tend to side with Hexy. I don’t want old alumni farts hanging in the locker room all the time either. It grinded my gears to have to give up picks for mrazek last year too.

The big thing I can’t defend Hexy on is his work in ufa. Just Bc your dabbling in ufa doesn’t mean you need to overpay in term. This team has a ton of unused cap space that does absolutely nothing for them
- Just5

Its so hard to gauge what the reality was, and I do agree with parts of the organization that felt moves needed to be made. Hextall for whatever reason, and yes I am looking at the coaching staff/goaltending - failed to make them.

At some point results had to start showing. I am curious what the next guy does, and hold out hope for that. I do think this was all avoidable, and as much as I was a fan of Hextall - I did start to sour. Not because he wanted to rebuild, but to me he seemed so against making any real changes. After years of piss poor special teams, goaltending that continously cost games, and a questionable coaching staff - you can't just trot out the same poop and expect to keep your job.

Whats become more clear than ever, is how much power a guy like Holmgren has had.

Its so hard to gauge what the reality was, and I do agree with parts of the organization that felt moves needed to be made. Hextall for whatever reason, and yes I am looking at the coaching staff/goaltending - failed to make them.

At some point results had to start showing. I am curious what the next guy does, and hold out hope for that. I do think this was all avoidable, and as much as I was a fan of Hextall - I did start to sour. Not because he wanted to rebuild, but to me he seemed so against making any real changes. After years of piss poor special teams, goaltending that continously cost games, and a questionable coaching staff - you can't just trot out the same poop and expect to keep your job.

Whats become more clear than ever, is how much power a guy like Holmgren has had.
- flyer_nutter

There’s always two sides. Kevin chelvedayoff or whatever made his first player for player trade more than 3...3! years into his job. I don’t have to tell you right? For how long were people clamoring for the canning of this guy up there? Finalist for GM of the year last year and all he did was basically wait and wait and wait and was allowed to do so.

There’s always two sides. Kevin chelvedayoff or whatever made his first player for player trade more than 3...3! years into his job. I don’t have to tell you right? For how long were people clamoring for the canning of this guy up there? Finalist for GM of the year last year and all he did was basically wait and wait and wait and was allowed to do so.
- Just5

I really think what saved Chevy more so than anything was Laine. I'll stand by that to the end.

It comes down to results. I think they wanted to see a step forward. After this much time at the helm, it was status quo. It cost Hextall his job, for right or wrong.

I agree there was improvements in point totals, but does anyone really feel this was a team truly on the way to being an Eastern Conference powerhouse? That any of the prospects currently not on the team would be true stars? Who knows I guess.

If Hextall fires Hak, or makes a trade to fix a hole - not panic moves by any means, I think he is here. I am frustrated with Ron that he didn't see fit to do that. He wasn't fired in some rash decision.

I think the ideal for me anyway would have been a Simmonds trade, coaching change and a move to try to get a goalie at some point in the off-season or at the start of this year. I dont think those were unreasonable things. I liked Hextall and his overall vision. Sucks it came to this.

I really think what saved Chevy more so than anything was Laine. I'll stand by that to the end.

It comes down to results. I think they wanted to see a step forward. After this much time at the helm, it was status quo. It cost Hextall his job, for right or wrong.

I agree there was improvements in point totals, but does anyone really feel this was a team truly on the way to being an Eastern Conference powerhouse? That any of the prospects currently not on the team would be true stars? Who knows I guess.

If Hextall fires Hak, or makes a trade to fix a hole - not panic moves by any means, I think he is here. I am frustrated with Ron that he didn't see fit to do that. He wasn't fired in some rash decision.

I think the ideal for me anyway would have been a Simmonds trade, coaching change and a move to try to get a goalie at some point in the off-season or at the start of this year. I dont think those were unreasonable things. I liked Hextall and his overall vision. Sucks it came to this.
- flyer_nutter

I concur

It’s going to be Lombardi

It’s going to be Lombardi
- Just5

Might not be the worst thing -- dead serious

People rip on him for how the Kings look now, but why is it that they do look that way? Because he is patient AF and wants to keep his own assets

He might not be all that different than Hextall with that stuff. If Greenberg is correct, he might be a little nicer around the office, come to the potlucks, too, so everyone wins

Its so hard to gauge what the reality was, and I do agree with parts of the organization that felt moves needed to be made. Hextall for whatever reason, and yes I am looking at the coaching staff/goaltending - failed to make them.

At some point results had to start showing. I am curious what the next guy does, and hold out hope for that. I do think this was all avoidable, and as much as I was a fan of Hextall - I did start to sour. Not because he wanted to rebuild, but to me he seemed so against making any real changes. After years of piss poor special teams, goaltending that continously cost games, and a questionable coaching staff - you can't just trot out the same poop and expect to keep your job.

Whats become more clear than ever, is how much power a guy like Holmgren has had.
- flyer_nutter

It was all avoidable, I agree. We can all have opinions about the status of the team or prospects or whatever, but one thing I think we can all agree with, rightly or wrongly, is that when your boss wants you to consider changing something, you only have so many times to say no before your boss finds someone who will say yes

Might not be the worst thing -- dead serious

People rip on him for how the Kings look now, but why is it that they do look that way? Because he is patient AF and wants to keep his own assets

He might not be all that different than Hextall with that stuff. If Greenberg is correct, he might be a little nicer around the office, come to the potlucks, too, so everyone wins
- AllInForFlyers

I question the objectivity of what Greenberg wrote. To gloss over the mess that is the Flyers goaltending with the excuse of Hextall didn’t want to risk bringing in anyone who might block Hart is ludicrous. Hart may be ready by 19-20, or he may need more time in the AHL. Or, as much as we don’t want to consider it, he may never develop into a #1 NHL goalie.

Hextall needed to address the goaltending last summer, he failed. He also did nothing to bolster the PK. Now add to that the team being embarrassed on the ice multiple times this season, a decline in revenue and from what sources are saying a toxic work environment, it’s not surprising at all that a change was made.

There’s more to being a successful GM than drafting well and cap management.