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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 26 @ 4:11 PM ET
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 26 @ 4:11 PM ET
When you rebuild from the middle, it’s hard to find those truly impactful players; guys that are the best players on cup winning teams. Hexy needed to be more aggressive in acquiring those types of players whether it was trading up in the draft, offer sheeting a young player or trading for an established star.

The things like goaltending and leaving the PK unaddressed for years are things you can get away with if you’ve done enough to acquire elite level young talent.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 26 @ 4:12 PM ET
Let's see what he's doing at the end of the season before we start judging his arrival date.
- mayorofangrytown


He'll be 21 years old, with one professional season under his Garanimals belt, when training camp opens next year. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he won't be NHL ready, especially not in Philadelphia.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Nov 26 @ 4:13 PM ET
When you rebuild from the middle, it’s hard to find those truly impactful players; guys that are the best players on cup winning teams. Hexy needed to be more aggressive in acquiring those types of players whether it was trading up in the draft, offer sheeting a young player or trading for an established star.

The things like goaltending and leaving the PK unaddressed for years are things you can get away with if you’ve done enough to acquire elite level young talent.

- PhillySportsGuy

I'm with you until you got to goaltending.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 4:13 PM ET
Are we really not going to talk about the giant elephant in the room?



MJL stole my joke...then preceded to ask others about what the difference was from the Ranger game and Toronto game.

- Glak18


I still would like an answer to that question. I really would.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 26 @ 4:14 PM ET
When you rebuild from the middle, it’s hard to find those truly impactful players; guys that are the best players on cup winning teams. Hexy needed to be more aggressive in acquiring those types of players whether it was trading up in the draft, offer sheeting a young player or trading for an established star.

The things like goaltending and leaving the PK unaddressed for years are things you can get away with if you’ve done enough to acquire elite level young talent.

- PhillySportsGuy


What realistic thing could he have done to be more aggressive in those areas you listed?

Its easy for us all to say "they should have done x, y or z" but those things typically require a second party to also go alone with it.

Note I dont disagree with you just trying to figure out how we got so locked into what we currently are.
Pelle31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Johnstown, PA
Joined: 02.13.2007

Nov 26 @ 4:14 PM ET
He's fired by the clown that had this organization in a HUGE hole. Idiotic. He fixes our cap situation. Filled up the prospect pool. The only way I'm good with this is if he wouldn't fire Hak. That's the only way I'm onboard.

SOMETHING had to be done after that debale on HNIC ending with a Flyers jersey left on the ice.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 26 @ 4:15 PM ET
I still would like an answer to that question. I really would.
- MJL


We both know you know that I know you know the answer to that question.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 26 @ 4:17 PM ET
What realistic thing could he have done to be more aggressive in those areas you listed?

Its easy for us all to say "they should have done x, y or z" but those things typically require a second party to also go alone with it.

Note I dont disagree with you just trying to figure out how we got so locked into what we currently are.

- opeth_pa


People don't want to hear it, but sometimes you just gotta overpay in the trade market

Back-to-back years, they drafted twice in the first round, with Patrick-Frost and Farabee-O'Brien

Maybe, just maybe, you should've burned one of those picks in a move for a roster player
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Nov 26 @ 4:17 PM ET
Definitely have mixed feelings about Hexy being let go. He did a great job stockpiling assets, trading aging players with high cap hits and making some really solid draft picks. However, there were several head scratching maneuvers which I think ultimately led to his firing; goaltending being the biggest blunder. I won't sugar coat it...Hexy screwed the pooch with getting this team a decent goalie that doesn't get injured wiping their a$$ with baby wipes. Carter Hart and Felix Sandstrom may be the goalies of the future, but there are absolutely no guarantees they will be the franchise goalie this organization has been missing for decades.

Other positions of need were largely ignored/not upgraded and not firing Lappy after several consecutive years of an abysmal PK was also another problem not rectified. Rumor has it his inability to relieve Hakstol of his duties was the final nail in the coffin. We'll have to wait and see what happens now! I do wish Hexy all the best!
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 26 @ 4:17 PM ET
He's fired by the clown that had this organization in a HUGE hole. Idiotic. He fixes our cap situation. Filled up the prospect pool. The only way I'm good with this is if he wouldn't fire Hak. That's the only way I'm onboard.

SOMETHING had to be done after that debale on HNIC ending with a Flyers jersey left on the ice.

- Pelle31


Would of been the ultimate poetic justice if it was an actual Hextall jersey.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Nov 26 @ 4:18 PM ET
He'll be 21 years old, with one professional season under his Garanimals belt, when training camp opens next year. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he won't be NHL ready, especially not in Philadelphia.
- Scoob

And not 2020 either? That's two years away. I'll wait and see.

Regardless, the first thing whomever their next GM is should be finding a solution to this goalie mess if it's at all possible to get done this season. What are Soderstrom and Roussell doing?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 26 @ 4:18 PM ET
What realistic thing could he have done to be more aggressive in those areas you listed?

Its easy for us all to say "they should have done x, y or z" but those things typically require a second party to also go alone with it.

Note I dont disagree with you just trying to figure out how we got so locked into what we currently are.

- opeth_pa


This is why he gets paid the money he does (did), and why we are not NHL GMs.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 26 @ 4:18 PM ET
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People need to chill. Firing Hextall doesn't mean we're back to full blown Homer. Ideally they'll find a GM who can chart a middle course and keep an eye on the system while keeping the NHL product a good one.

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There's way too much running to extremes today. Lombardi's just like Homer!!! They're gonna trade all the prospects...(frank)'s sake they didn't even hire a new guy yet.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 26 @ 4:18 PM ET
I'm with you until you got to goaltending.
- mayorofangrytown


If their only real problem was goaltending, they could just go out and make a trade for a competent goalie. I’m not saying it was a bad decision, I’m saying it’s something he could have survived.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Nov 26 @ 4:18 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Analyzing the Hextall Firing
- bmeltzer



They fired the wrong guy
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 26 @ 4:19 PM ET
This is why he gets paid the money he does (did), and why we are not NHL GMs.
- jmatchett383


Speak for yourself, you can not disprove JoeG is not an NHL GM...
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Nov 26 @ 4:19 PM ET
He's fired by the clown that had this organization in a HUGE hole. Idiotic. He fixes our cap situation. Filled up the prospect pool. The only way I'm good with this is if he wouldn't fire Hak. That's the only way I'm onboard.

SOMETHING had to be done after that debale on HNIC ending with a Flyers jersey left on the ice.

- Pelle31

Honestly, this goalie situation is enough to get everyone fired. All of the everyones involved.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 26 @ 4:20 PM ET
This is why he gets paid the money he does (did), and why we are not NHL GMs.
- jmatchett383


Agreed. Can't always leave the gun in the holster
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 26 @ 4:21 PM ET
If their only real problem was goaltending, they could just go out and make a trade for a competent goalie. I’m not saying it was a bad decision, I’m saying it’s something he could have survived.
- PhillySportsGuy


You think Hextall still has a job today if they won the 3rd lotto pick instead and drafted Heiskanen or Pettersson?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 26 @ 4:21 PM ET
Honestly, this goalie situation is enough to get everyone fired. All of the everyones involved.
- mayorofangrytown


HEAR YE!
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 26 @ 4:21 PM ET
Agreed. Can't always leave the gun in the holster
- AllInForFlyers


Especially if you live in Florida...
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 26 @ 4:21 PM ET
Honestly, this goalie situation is enough to get everyone fired. All of the everyones involved.
- mayorofangrytown


No reason for it. Blind man saw it coming
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 26 @ 4:22 PM ET
Honestly, this goalie situation is enough to get everyone fired. All of the everyones involved.
- mayorofangrytown


Homer’s already drawing up the Bob contract
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 26 @ 4:22 PM ET
And not 2020 either? That's two years away. I'll wait and see.
- mayorofangrytown


I'm thinking three years minimum.

Regardless, the first thing whomever their next GM is should be finding a solution to this goalie mess if it's at all possible to get done this season.


Agreed
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