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NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Nov 26 @ 9:08 PM ET
Go to Allentown then. He has no business being up with the Flyers at this point in his career. None.
- Scoob


No rookie would stand a chance playing behind the current erratic team defense. It is really not good for Stolie or Lyon either.

Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 26 @ 9:09 PM ET
I'll take him as an assistant replacing Lappariere.
- MJL


I thought you said it wasn't Lappy's fault that the PK sucks, it's the personnel and not the strategy?


Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 26 @ 9:09 PM ET
No rookie would stand a chance playing behind the current erratic team defense. It is really not good for Stolie or Lyon either.
- NC Flyers Fan


Nope.

Worst thing to ever happen to Hart was to be described as the heir to the #1 throne.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 9:10 PM ET
I thought you said it wasn't Lappy's fault that the PK sucks, it's the personnel and not the strategy?
- Nucker101


I did say that. Nothing has changed.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 26 @ 9:10 PM ET
I just don't think they're going to bring in a GM and tell him to make moves immediately. This was definitely building. It feels more like the culmination of an unhappy offseason.

I think the aggressiveness starts this offseason.

- PhillySportsGuy


It could happen, but I don't know, man. 55-plus games left. I think they're gonna look for someone who has a little bit of a lead foot to get on the gas, who isn't gonna flinch when it comes to improving the NHL roster quickly, as in this season, as in the next 10 games.

Just my opinion
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 26 @ 9:10 PM ET
This is why I give very little credibility to anything Pierre says. Just stop and think about it. Hextall was fired because he would not bring Hart to the NHL. It’s totally ludicrous on so many levels.
- Djapana


There are actual legitimate reasons to have Hextall replaced or, at least, on the hot seat, but Carter Hart ain't one of them IMO.

The rumor I've read today that I actually believe was that Homer wanted a shakeup, either via roster changes or the coaching staff and Hextall did exactly nothing.

After whiffing on opportunities to fix some of the holes over the summer, to not address these items when your boss asks you to take action is kind of insubordinate and you're really kind of begging to get poopcanned.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 26 @ 9:11 PM ET
More disrespectful than signing a guy to an 11 year contract and then trading him to Columbus for the deal even kicked in?
- FlyerFan16


Man. They did do that poop, didn't they. Man. That was cold. To this day, that was ice-cold
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 9:12 PM ET
There are actual legitimate reasons to have Hextall replaced or, at least, on the hot seat, but Carter Hart ain't one of them IMO.

The rumor I've read today that I actually believe was that Homer wanted a shakeup, either via roster changes or the coaching staff and Hextall did exactly nothing.

After whiffing on opportunities to fix some of the holes over the summer, to not address these items when your boss asks you to take action is kind of insubordinate and you're really kind of begging to get poopcanned.

- johndewar


It may be self defeating but I don't see it as insubordinate. Hextall made it crystal clear what his approach was going to be to the team when they hired him. He never wavered from that. The Flyers shouldn't have expected anything different.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 26 @ 9:12 PM ET
More disrespectful than signing a guy to an 11 year contract and then trading him to Columbus for the deal even kicked in?
- FlyerFan16


The scenario he and I were describing were if they were to trade JvR again this year.

If they did that, it would actually be the 2nd time they traded JvR soon after signing him to a big deal.

So, yeah, I think that's more disrespectful than whatever feelings Carter caught.

Fun Fact: Every contract he has signed in his 10 year NHL career has been with the Flyers and he's only played 4 years here.
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Nov 26 @ 9:13 PM ET
See, to me it's not the craziest thing. Our goaltending is a mess. Call up the kid for a few games. If he plays great, problem solved. If not you send him back down to keep working on his game.

The report doesn't say they want the kid up here as the defacto starter without proving himself.

- hereticpride

"speed up the rebuild" doesn't seem like a 2-3 game call up.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 26 @ 9:13 PM ET
It may be self defeating but I don't see it as insubordinate. Hextall made it crystal clear what his approach was going to be to the team when they hired him. He never wavered from that. The Flyers shouldn't have expected anything different.
- MJL


Self-defeating, career limiting, whatever.

Hextall doesn't have a job today.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Nov 26 @ 9:14 PM ET
There are actual legitimate reasons to have Hextall replaced or, at least, on the hot seat, but Carter Hart ain't one of them IMO.

The rumor I've read today that I actually believe was that Homer wanted a shakeup, either via roster changes or the coaching staff and Hextall did exactly nothing.

After whiffing on opportunities to fix some of the holes over the summer, to not address these items when your boss asks you to take action is kind of insubordinate and you're really kind of begging to get poopcanned.

- johndewar


Colorful and very true.

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 26 @ 9:14 PM ET
More disrespectful than signing a guy to an 11 year contract and then trading him to Columbus for the deal even kicked in?
- FlyerFan16


Bro, signing a guy to a long-term deal then trading him then doing the exact same thing a second time!
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 26 @ 9:14 PM ET
There are actual legitimate reasons to have Hextall replaced or, at least, on the hot seat, but Carter Hart ain't one of them IMO.

The rumor I've read today that I actually believe was that Homer wanted a shakeup, either via roster changes or the coaching staff and Hextall did exactly nothing.

After whiffing on opportunities to fix some of the holes over the summer, to not address these items when your boss asks you to take action is kind of insubordinate and you're really kind of begging to get poopcanned.

- johndewar


Again, when you're 10-11-2, you don't get to just not listen to your boss

You just don't get to do that, if true. And there's probably some truth to it
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Nov 26 @ 9:15 PM ET
It may be self defeating but I don't see it as insubordinate. Hextall made it crystal clear what his approach was going to be to the team when they hired him. He never wavered from that. The Flyers shouldn't have expected anything different.
- MJL


So how many years were you willing to wait?

johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 26 @ 9:16 PM ET
Man. They did do that poop, didn't they. Man. That was cold. To this day, that was ice-cold
- AllInForFlyers


Remember they did that on the same day they traded Richards.....the two marquee guys they touted as the faces of the franchise during the ill-fated 40th anniversary season.



FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Nov 26 @ 9:16 PM ET
The scenario he and I were describing were if they were to trade JvR again this year.

If they did that, it would actually be the 2nd time they traded JvR soon after signing him to a big deal.

So, yeah, I think that's more disrespectful than whatever feelings Carter caught.

Fun Fact: Every contract he has signed in his 10 year NHL career has been with the Flyers and he's only played 4 years here.

- johndewar

Holmgren's the guy that did both of those deals, and as of right now, Holmgren's the guy running the show.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 9:17 PM ET
Self-defeating, career limiting, whatever.

Hextall doesn't have a job today.

- johndewar


That's correct. I give Hextall credit if he stuck to his guns. I agree with him if that's how it went down.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 26 @ 9:18 PM ET
Again, when you're 10-11-2, you don't get to just not listen to your boss

You just don't get to do that, if true. And there's probably some truth to it

- AllInForFlyers


Yeah, that's how I see it.

I suspect Hextall wasn't working with a ton of internal capital, which is why I found the Carter Hart report kind of laughable. You don't get rid of a GM because of one decision on one prospect.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 26 @ 9:18 PM ET
It could happen, but I don't know, man. 55-plus games left. I think they're gonna look for someone who has a little bit of a lead foot to get on the gas, who isn't gonna flinch when it comes to improving the NHL roster quickly, as in this season, as in the next 10 games.

Just my opinion

- AllInForFlyers


It'll probably be some retread that is worse than Hexy, but also more of a risk taker.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 9:18 PM ET
So how many years were you willing to wait?
- NC Flyers Fan


I think a few more seasons and we would start seeing real growth. I think the new GM is going to benefit from what Hextall did here.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 26 @ 9:18 PM ET
There are actual legitimate reasons to have Hextall replaced or, at least, on the hot seat, but Carter Hart ain't one of them IMO.

The rumor I've read today that I actually believe was that Homer wanted a shakeup, either via roster changes or the coaching staff and Hextall did exactly nothing.


After whiffing on opportunities to fix some of the holes over the summer, to not address these items when your boss asks you to take action is kind of insubordinate and you're really kind of begging to get poopcanned.

- johndewar


I think this is the main reason, Hextall had a more patient approach than his boss(es). Homer and Clarke don't like to sit on their hands.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 26 @ 9:19 PM ET
There are actual legitimate reasons to have Hextall replaced or, at least, on the hot seat, but Carter Hart ain't one of them IMO.

The rumor I've read today that I actually believe was that Homer wanted a shakeup, either via roster changes or the coaching staff and Hextall did exactly nothing.

After whiffing on opportunities to fix some of the holes over the summer, to not address these items when your boss asks you to take action is kind of insubordinate and you're really kind of begging to get poopcanned.

- johndewar


I think Hexy has his faults but I admire his stubbornness lol. Say what you want but him but he is loyal and has convictions
Doctor DOOM
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Where the bad things are
Joined: 12.13.2017

Nov 26 @ 9:20 PM ET
It'll probably be some retread that is worse than Hexy, but also more of a risk taker.
- PhillySportsGuy


This place is going to riot when Holmgren is GM again
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 26 @ 9:21 PM ET
This place is going to riot when Holmgren is GM again
- Doctor DOOM

Guy got us to a SCF. It could be worse.
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