I think that's unlikely unless Homer just takes over. GMs normally don't come in and start making a bunch of trades mid-season. They usually want time to evaluate talent and build their management team. If they start trading players, they're going to be relying on Hexy's people to give him evaluations.

I think the more likely scenario is that the younger players get more NHL time.
- PhillySportsGuy

I am definitely not saying that your post is wrong, because it actually makes total sense

But to me, this firing smells a lot like corporate wants more sizzle with their steak, they want more wins now, they want you excited so you put your ass in their seats

Again: What you wrote makes complete sense.

I don't think the Flyers right now are interested in being patient and they might not be interested in being 100 percent rational -- someone is pissed that they're 10-11-2 and they wanted something to happen to the NHL roster, I feel

I'll take him as an assistant replacing Lappariere.
- MJL

I would too actually.

Was thinking this exact same thing today in describing the scenario where every contract in his career was signed as a member of the Flyers, but potentially, playing only a quarter of his career here..
- johndewar

It'd be the most disrespectful poop I've ever seen.

They shouldn't trade him though. JVR is good.

I'll take him as an assistant replacing Lappariere.
- MJL

Same.

Or, I'd take Stevens as an assistant replacing Gord Murphy.

Yes and it's a result of the continuous carousel of trying to trade their way to it and sign UFA's for key positions. That rarely works. They've tried to do that how many times over the years under a variety of GM's. Hextall was trying to change all that.
- MJL

I agree with that. I think that after 4 or so years of Hextall, having the goaltending situation be worse than when he inherited it is inexcusable to me.

I am definitely not saying that your post is wrong, because it actually makes total sense

But to me, this firing smells a lot like corporate wants more sizzle with their steak, they want more wins now, they want you excited so you put your ass in their seats

Again: What you wrote makes complete sense.

I don't think the Flyers right now are interested in being patient and they might not be interested in being 100 percent rational -- someone is pissed that they're 10-11-2 and they wanted something to happen to the NHL roster, I feel
- AllInForFlyers

I agree with you.

Here's a twitter link: https://twitter.com/Prosp...tatus/1067207532186349569

If Pierre is correct I'm very worried about the future of this club. If they think a rookie AHLer is the solution, woof

It'd be the most disrespectful poop I've ever seen.

They shouldn't trade him though. JVR is good.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yep, agreed. Fewer skilled players is not the answer.

I think people forget too just how inconsistent Mason was here at the end. It was time to move on.

To be fair to Hextall I think the expansion draft also played a role in his decision to re-sign Neuvy. They had to have a goalie under contract to expose and it just wasn't going to be Mason with the way things had been going.
- hereticpride

and, maybe Neuvirth wouldn't sign a one year deal.

I don't think Pierre is plugged in enough with the Flyers to know that.

Besides, if this was actually true, Hart would be up with the team as of today.
- johndewar

This is why I give very little credibility to anything Pierre says. Just stop and think about it. Hextall was fired because he would not bring Hart to the NHL. It’s totally ludicrous on so many levels.

What's the next part of the plan? Think about this. One of the things a team has to have to be a top team is a really good puck moving two way defense. How did they accomplish that in the past under Holmgren? They traded for and signed UFA players to build that defense. That's no longer feasible in today's NHL. Holmgren left the organization empty of prospects for the most part due to constantly trying to win now with the exception of Gostisbehere. The teams top two defenseman are struggling. Another big piece is Sanheim, who is essentially a rookie. He's not ready yet. Provorov is 21 and struggling. Not uncommon. It takes time to build that and it wasn't in place when Hextall got the job. He had to draft and develop. Is another GM going to come in an accelerate that? How by trading a player like Sanheim for an older player?
- MJL

Totally agree with this. My take is that Holmgren got his panties in a wad and demanded a gesture, whether a trade or firing the coach after the embarrassment in Toronto, and Hextall said no.

The flip side of this is maybe Hextall let his ego get in the way, pushing the "We're going to win my way, I'll prove it to you" a little too far. The team had the cap space and the room on the roster to make some moves in free agency this summer that would have helped. Literally every Canadian commentator expressed the feeling that management was unhappy that the Flyers didn't even try to nab a high profile free agent. I didn't expect the lack of effort from this team, but I knew they would struggle even if everyone was healthy.

I would love to know if that is actually true and which management personnel wanted that. Those are the folks who should've been fired today.
- Scoob

I'm going with Homer and Clarke.

Here's a twitter link: https://twitter.com/Prosp...tatus/1067207532186349569

If Pierre is correct I'm very worried about the future of this club. If they think a rookie AHLer is the solution, woof
- Doctor DOOM

If that is true than Holmgren should've been the guy fired.

I agree with that. I think that after 4 or so years of Hextall, having the goaltending situation be worse than when he inherited it is inexcusable to me.
- feelingkettle

I think that is the key right there..

This many years in and goaltending is worse then previously was.

I'm wondering about the context of that report. They may have just wanted a look at Hart. I don't think they would kept him up if he struggled.
- hereticpride

Go to Allentown then. He has no business being up with the Flyers at this point in his career. None.

Totally agree with this. My take is that Holmgren got his panties in a wad and demanded a gesture, whether a trade or firing the coach after the embarrassment in Toronto, and Hextall said no.

The flip side of this is maybe Hextall let his ego get in the way, pushing the "We're going to win my way, I'll prove it to you" a little too far. The team had the cap space and the room on the roster to make some moves in free agency this summer that would have helped. Literally every Canadian commentator expressed the feeling that management was unhappy that the Flyers didn't even try to nab a high profile free agent. I didn't expect the lack of effort from this team, but I knew they would struggle even if everyone was healthy.
- hockeyal

The Flyers did nab a high profile free agent in JVR. It was also reported that they made an offer to Taveras.

This team shouldn't be struggling. They should be much better than they are.

Here's a twitter link: https://twitter.com/Prosp...tatus/1067207532186349569

If Pierre is correct I'm very worried about the future of this club. If they think a rookie AHLer is the solution, woof
- Doctor DOOM

See, to me it's not the craziest thing. Our goaltending is a mess. Call up the kid for a few games. If he plays great, problem solved. If not you send him back down to keep working on his game.

The report doesn't say they want the kid up here as the defacto starter without proving himself.

Totally agree with this. My take is that Holmgren got his panties in a wad and demanded a gesture, whether a trade or firing the coach after the embarrassment in Toronto, and Hextall said no.

The flip side of this is maybe Hextall let his ego get in the way, pushing the "We're going to win my way, I'll prove it to you" a little too far. The team had the cap space and the room on the roster to make some moves in free agency this summer that would have helped. Literally every Canadian commentator expressed the feeling that management was unhappy that the Flyers didn't even try to nab a high profile free agent. I didn't expect the lack of effort from this team, but I knew they would struggle even if everyone was healthy.
- hockeyal

JVR was a high profile free agent..

and, maybe Neuvirth wouldn't sign a one year deal.
- FlyerFan16

Neuvirth had leverage at the time.

Here's a twitter link: https://twitter.com/Prosp...tatus/1067207532186349569

If Pierre is correct I'm very worried about the future of this club. If they think a rookie AHLer is the solution, woof
- Doctor DOOM

I seriously doubt bringing up Carter Hart is the only reason for firing Hextall.

Pierre is full of poop.

The part about lost revenue, though, I buy, but you don't need to be plugged into the organ-EYE-zation to figure that much out.

There is serious apathy in the fanbase right now and apathy in the fanbase does not encourage one to buy tickets to games and swag at the souvenir stands. If you think that poop doesn't matter, you are naive.

But to me, this firing smells a lot like corporate wants more sizzle with their steak, they want more wins now, they want you excited so you put your ass in their seats


- AllInForFlyers

I agree with that. I think that after 4 or so years of Hextall, having the goaltending situation be worse than when he inherited it is inexcusable to me.
- feelingkettle

Agreed.

I am definitely not saying that your post is wrong, because it actually makes total sense

But to me, this firing smells a lot like corporate wants more sizzle with their steak, they want more wins now, they want you excited so you put your ass in their seats

Again: What you wrote makes complete sense.

I don't think the Flyers right now are interested in being patient and they might not be interested in being 100 percent rational -- someone is pissed that they're 10-11-2 and they wanted something to happen to the NHL roster, I feel
- AllInForFlyers

I just don't think they're going to bring in a GM and tell him to make moves immediately. This was definitely building. It feels more like the culmination of an unhappy offseason.

I think the aggressiveness starts this offseason.

Here's a twitter link: https://twitter.com/Prosp...tatus/1067207532186349569

If Pierre is correct I'm very worried about the future of this club. If they think a rookie AHLer is the solution, woof
- Doctor DOOM

Holmgren wanted to bring up Hart now & speed up the rebuild

What the actual frank?

It'd be the most disrespectful poop I've ever seen.

They shouldn't trade him though. JVR is good.
- PhillySportsGuy

More disrespectful than signing a guy to an 11 year contract and then trading him to Columbus for the deal even kicked in?