Well the nice thing is they have some vets with value, prospects with value and cap room heading into the office season. Within reason they should really be able to land 1 or 2 guys that they really want to build around moving forward.
- hereticpride

It's going to be interesting to see what happens. Today's move to me signals that they're not interested in building for the future. They want to start winning.

I'm not talking about trading young guys to fill holes. I'm just saying outside of drafting well and developing prospects, his personnel management was poor. See my post above.
- feelingkettle

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I’m not sure anyone could argue with that.

I really just think it comes down to players that didn't really mesh well together or mesh with the coaching scheme.
- hereticpride

It says a lot that, to me, your two best forwards from the start of the season have been Giroux and Laughton and Hagg has maybe been the most consistent defenseman

I like Laughton and Hagg, but the fact that I can say that is not conducive to you not being 10-11-2

It's going to be interesting to see what happens. Today's move to me signals that they're not interested in building for the future. They want to start winning.
- MJL

I hope that it's more of a switch from Hextall's hyper focused on the future, to a we can build for the future while also not neglect the present.

Ultimately, neglecting the present is going to (frank) up the future anyway.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens. Today's move to me signals that they're not interested in building for the future. They want to start winning.
- MJL

I'm (frank)ing terrified

It's going to be interesting to see what happens. Today's move to me signals that they're not interested in building for the future. They want to start winning.
- MJL

Yup. I guess it all going to depend on who is available. If Bob is out there I think they'll make an offer. Same with Duchene. Maybe look to spring a good player off a bad team via trade. Lots of possibilities.

I don't think Honer is going to meddle as much as some are worried about. He could've fired Hak today but I think he wants to let the new GM get his guy behind the bench.

Yeah. I think people would be ok with the rebuild going on if there was any notable team progress. So we went from win now with Snider's guys to rebuild forever with Hextall.

I'm just hoping we can find a balance this time.

Hextall's downfall was not wanting to deviate from his plan at all, even when poop wasn't working out. He's like the anti Ruben Amaro, except Hextall could draft well.
- feelingkettle

It's hard to have faith in the rebuild when the drafted players are trickling in so slowly. and even your lotto gift isn't making as big an impact as the hype.

I understand the issue with the goalies but that was all in the planning and the planning was piss poor. You're in charge of the team and that's on Hextall. Even though I was frustrated with the team for a long time, the goaltending entering this year was the first time I squarely put the failures on Hexy.

I’m going to throw something out. Not really something I advocate for.

I would be okay with a full scorched earth approach here.

The organization tried to stay competitive and in their eyes, rebuild.

There is a lack of high end kids that one could argue will bring anything close to what G or Voracek bring.

It was a half ass rebuild, and again - while I don’t advocate for it, I’d be okay truly blowing this thing up. In regards to the vets.

I hope that it's more of a switch from Hextall's hyper focused on the future, to a we can build for the future while also not neglect the present.

Ultimately, neglecting the present is going to (frank) up the future anyway.
- feelingkettle

To suggest that firing Hextall is some going to kill the future is silly. At least let’s see whom they hire before we start commenting on his master plan.

How so? I thought season tickets were basically sold out. Not so?
- Scoob

They haven't been sold out the last two seasons.

Yup. I guess it all going to depend on who is available. If Bob is out there I think they'll make an offer. Same with Duchene. Maybe look to spring a good player off a bad team via trade. Lots of possibilities.

I don't think Honer is going to meddle as much as some are worried about. He could've fired Hak today but I think he wants to let the new GM get his guy behind the bench.
- hereticpride

I agree. I could always be wrong and I'll own it if I am, but I don't think Homer wants to drive this thing anymore

To me, he did what a person who got kicked upstairs years ago does: Fires the guy below him who isn't giving the right answers to the guy above him

It's hard to have faith in the rebuild when the drafted players are trickling in so slowly. and even your lotto gift isn't making as big an impact as the hype.

I understand the issue with the goalies but that was all in the planning and the planning was piss poor. You're in charge of the team and that's on Hextall. Even though I was frustrated with the team for a long time, the goaltending entering this year was the first time I squarely put the failures on Hexy.
- mayorofangrytown

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I remember thinking WTF when he resigned Neuvy. Gotta keep the boat afloat while everyone is developing at their own pace. He showed no ability to do that with either coaches or personnel or signings/trades.

They haven't been sold out the last two seasons.
- mayorofangrytown

Well that's unacceptable in Philadelphia.

I’m going to throw something out. Not really something I advocate for.

I would be okay with a full scorched earth approach here.

The organization tried to stay competitive and in their eyes, rebuild.

There is a lack of high end kids that one could argue will bring anything close to what G or Voracek bring.

It was a half ass rebuild, and again - while I don’t advocate for it, I’d be okay truly blowing this thing up. In regards to the vets.
- flyer_nutter

If they trade G I'm done. Dude deserves to be a flyer for life if he wants

Well that's unacceptable in Philadelphia.
- Scoob

Because now you're messing with shareholder money

It has been said on here in various posts but it bares repeating. Hextall did a super terrific job fixing the salary cap mess, gaining extra draft picks, drafting well and developing prospects. How long was it going to be before he elected to make trades to fill holes that cannot be filled though draft and development unless you wait say 10 years?

It’s great to realize that we are in the cap era and value drafting. But if the plan was to include G or Coots even as part of the core to be a contender, trades need to happen. Sometimes if you want to win you have to be willing to just get it done. Lose the battle, win the war.

The buzz word is balance. Not “win now,” not “build from within forever.” A new plan that doesn’t mortgage the future but is always mindful of the present.

I’m going to throw something out. Not really something I advocate for.

I would be okay with a full scorched earth approach here.

The organization tried to stay competitive and in their eyes, rebuild.

There is a lack of high end kids that one could argue will bring anything close to what G or Voracek bring.

It was a half ass rebuild, and again - while I don’t advocate for it, I’d be okay truly blowing this thing up. In regards to the vets.
- flyer_nutter

I think some have the wrong idea of what a rebuild is. A rebuild is not removing the team of all the good older players and going with all young players. Not many are like Provorov and can be thrown right into the mix. Patrick has struggled some as a 2C. Sanhiem overall has played well. Increase his role and that probably changes. Young players need the support of veteran players to succeed.

Wow if that is true about Hart that is interesting..
- opeth_pa

No, it's troubling.

This was quoted from Flyers Feed, I highly doubt Pierre was reporting this.
- Doctor DOOM

I stand corrected. Pierre did report management wanted Carter Hart up sooner than later and Hextall refused because it doesn't follow his philosophy.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I remember thinking WTF when he resigned Neuvy. Gotta keep the boat afloat while everyone is developing at their own pace. He showed no ability to do that with either coaches or personnel or signings/trades.
- feelingkettle

Hextall when he got the job was given Mason in net. Mason turned into a head case and the Flyers decided to part ways. That left them without an NHL goalie for the following season. It would've been awful risky to go into the off season without a signed goalie. This is really another situation where not drafting well affected decisions. The one goalie they did well to add they traded before giving him the net.

I do think Hextall is going to get another chance and I think he'll do well with it when he does.

He may have needed to learn the lessons he was delivered today, though

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I remember thinking WTF when he resigned Neuvy. Gotta keep the boat afloat while everyone is developing at their own pace. He showed no ability to do that with either coaches or personnel or signings/trades.
- feelingkettle

I think he re-signed Neuvirth for the expansion draft, but I don't understand why he needed to give him 2 years and why they thought he could be relied upon at all heading into this season.

I stand corrected. Pierre did report management wanted Carter Hart up sooner than later and Hextall refused because it doesn't follow his philosophy.
- Doctor DOOM

If management wanted that then they're incompetent.

I’m going to throw something out. Not really something I advocate for.

I would be okay with a full scorched earth approach here.

The organization tried to stay competitive and in their eyes, rebuild.

There is a lack of high end kids that one could argue will bring anything close to what G or Voracek bring.

It was a half ass rebuild, and again - while I don’t advocate for it, I’d be okay truly blowing this thing up. In regards to the vets.
- flyer_nutter

I want to keep G. I think it may be time to move on from Jake and Simmonds however. But that's where I draw the line. You have to hold onto Coots and Ghost for now. JVR is a toss up.

Hextall when he got the job was given Mason in net. Mason turned into a head case and the Flyers decided to part ways. That left them without an NHL goalie for the following season. It would've been awful risky to go into the off season without a signed goalie. This is really another situation where not drafting well affected decisions. The one goalie they did well to add they traded before giving him the net.
- MJL

I only said WTF to Neuvy because of his injury history, which is even worse now. It was in my opinon, more of a gamble to sign Neuvy than wonder if Mason would be mentally ok. Obviously neither turned out ok, but it seemed to me like Mason was the more stable choice back then. I just don't think Hextall handled that situation well either way.